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The Coronavirus thread

We have had fall sports practices going on since 7/1, including football, and have not had one athlete test positive for the Kung Flu. Our schools have been back in a hybrid model for 3 weeks now, we have 4000 students at the high school, we have had 2 cases of either the kung flu, or indirect exposure/contact tracing in that time period. This "pandemic" is being blown so far out of proportion it is more scary than the virus itself.

Agree 100%. As much I hate gov’t interference and mandates and all that BS- if someone would just take a stand and say “It’s 100% virtual” or “100% on site” and NOT back down, we would be better off. (Not saying by any means that virtual is better-it’s not- but at least we would have a definite plan). What the board is NOT considering is how this constant back and forth is going to affect SpEf kids- the kids I work with. The self-harm and other behaviors is going to be problematic. Without a set schedule and structure, these kiddos can’t cope and act out. I’m not talking about the angsty teenage ****. I’m talking about kids biting themselves. Kids banging their heads into walls. Kids hitting adults. I know it’s just a small percentage of the actual school population, but for ****’s sake! You want all the kids to be “safe?” Well what about those kids who are placed in an “unsafe” environment with no structure who have no way to let us know their frustrations other than self harm???
 
We have had fall sports practices going on since 7/1, including football, and have not had one athlete test positive for the Kung Flu. Our schools have been back in a hybrid model for 3 weeks now, we have 4000 students at the high school, we have had 2 cases of either the kung flu, or indirect exposure/contact tracing in that time period. This "pandemic" is being blown so far out of proportion it is more scary than the virus itself.

Agree 100%. As much I hate gov’t interference and mandates and all that BS- if someone would just take a stand and say “It’s 100% virtual” or “100% on site” and NOT back down, we would be better off. (Not saying by any means that virtual is better-it’s not- but at least we would have a definite plan). What the board is NOT considering is how this constant back and forth is going to affect SpEf kids- the kids I work with. The self-harm and other behaviors is going to be problematic. Without a set schedule and structure, these kiddos can’t cope and act out. I’m not talking about the angsty teenage ****. I’m talking about kids biting themselves. Kids banging their heads into walls. Kids hitting adults. I know it’s just a small percentage of the actual school population, but for ****’s sake! You want all the kids to be “safe?” Well what about those kids who are placed in an “unsafe” environment with no structure who have no way to let us know their frustrations other than self harm???
 
It serves the media well - ie, they're doing their job - by putting a big fat warning label on anything coming out of the President's mouth. Even so, it seems a part of the population still listens to the unhinged madman.

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I'm no huge fan of Trump, but that being said he did not tell people to drink bleach. Anyone drinking bleach thinking that just needs to go ahead and drink the whole bottle and get it over with already. There really are some dumb ************* out in this world and I wouldn't pin this one on Trump.
 
I'm no huge fan of Trump, but that being said he did not tell people to drink bleach. Anyone drinking bleach thinking that just needs to go ahead and drink the whole bottle and get it over with already. There really are some dumb ************* out in this world and I wouldn't pin this one on Trump.

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It serves the media well - ie, they're doing their job - by putting a big fat warning label on anything coming out of the President's mouth. Even so, it seems a part of the population still listens to the unhinged madman.

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How many of those people had a prescription to drink bleach from their Doctor? You know, as they would need a prescription to take HCQ.
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In PA they are playing High School football. The PIAA (sports governing body) went against the governor's recommendation and voted to allow football without fans in attendance. Gov Wolf tried to cancel football without actually doing it. I'm glad that the PIAA didn't cave. If the Gov wants football cancelled then he better issue an order himself and not try to pass the buck.


On a side note. NFL teams will be allowed fans based on the laws of their location. In other words, expect fans in red states and none in blue states. The Chiefs are already having some fans at their training camp.
 
In PA they are playing High School football. The PIAA (sports governing body) went against the governor's recommendation and voted to allow football without fans in attendance. Gov Wolf tried to cancel football without actually doing it. I'm glad that the PIAA didn't cave. If the Gov wants football cancelled then he better issue an order himself and not try to pass the buck.


On a side note. NFL teams will be allowed fans based on the laws of their location. In other words, expect fans in red states and none in blue states. The Chiefs are already having some fans at their training camp.

Our PA school district just cancelled all fall sports yesterday. Other public school districts as well as the Archdiocese of Philadelphia doing the same. I don't think ultimately there will be fall sports in much of PA, the PIAA just didn't want to be responsible for making the decision. Our district went against the vast majority of parent and student opinions and caved to the "recommendations" of Wolf and the Chester County Health Department. By making these "recommendations" they open up the districts to all of the liability if they ignore them.
 
Georgia Tech is running about 50 positive tests/day. They are doing tons of testing, isolating and contact tracing. But I'm guessing I'll be seeing my daughter at home soon anyway.
 
I'm no huge fan of Trump, but that being said he did not tell people to drink bleach. Anyone drinking bleach thinking that just needs to go ahead and drink the whole bottle and get it over with already. There really are some dumb ************* out in this world and I wouldn't pin this one on Trump.

fyi....


Poison control centers across the U.S., including agencies in New York, Michigan, Illinois and Maryland, reported increasing calls from community members related to household cleaning product exposure earlier during the coronavirus pandemic. The respective upticks came shortly after President Donald Trump suggested disinfectant products as a possible means to treat COVID-19 patients.
 

Trump did not tell anyone to drink bleach.

He said using disinfectants internally is something the scientists should look at. Is that stupid? Yeah. Is it any more stupid than someone who took that to mean "Go drink some bleach"? No.
 

I look at that the same way I do people that say someone committed a crime or suicide because of a song they listened to........mentally challenged morons. Blaming someone else for a persons stupid decision to drink something that is toxic to ingest is a ridiculous stretch. Also, when this COVID crap first started poison control started getting upticks on drinking bleach, and washing hands with bleach at that point as well. People that would even consider something that absurd should probably stop ******* around, grab a gas can, chug and chase it down with a box of matches.

While Trump rambles at times stupidly, he did not say to drink bleach.
 
While Trump rambles at times stupidly, he did not say to drink bleach.

Yeah, in the strictest of terms, he didn't explicitly say it, you are right.

But he certainly implied it, and clearly his words were enough to give certain people the notion it's something that could help.

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

"So it'd be interesting to check that."

Pointing to his head, Mr Trump went on: "I'm not a doctor. But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what."

At this point, who cares? He said what he said and it had the effect that it did, even if he didn't intent for his supporters to start guzzling bleach.

And for those who did, as you suggest, it really doesn't matter what the President, or anyone else, said. If you're dumb enough to drink bleach, you've got what's coming to you.
 
Yeah, in the strictest of terms, he didn't explicitly say it, you are right.

But he certainly implied it, and clearly his words were enough to give certain people the notion it's something that could help.



At this point, who cares? He said what he said and it had the effect that it did, even if he didn't intent for his supporters to start guzzling bleach.

And for those who did, as you suggest, it really doesn't matter what the President, or anyone else, said. If you're dumb enough to drink bleach, you've got what's coming to you.

He was asking the doctor if there was a way to use disinfectants inside the body. He didn't suggest any member of the public do anything. And we have no causal link between anyone who did this and what he said. It stands to reason if dumb people think bleach kills this virus and they are terrified of getting it as the media tells them they should be, they might get the idea to try and put it inside their bodies regardless of whether Trump said this or not.

Yeah who cares except you keep bringing it up. You do know Cuomo's wife claims she cured herself of coronavirus by taking bleach baths, taking herbal supplements and doing breathing exercises. Oddly you don't hear much about this in the media.
 
Yeah, in the strictest of terms, he didn't explicitly say it, you are right.

But he certainly implied it, and clearly his words were enough to give certain people the notion it's something that could help.



At this point, who cares? He said what he said and it had the effect that it did, even if he didn't intent for his supporters to start guzzling bleach.

And for those who did, as you suggest, it really doesn't matter what the President, or anyone else, said. If you're dumb enough to drink bleach, you've got what's coming to you.

**** way off with that ****, Tibs

https://www.newsmax.com/us/chloroquine-fish-tank-cleaner-murder-arizona/2020/04/30/id/965362/

Woman Who Gave Husband Fish Tank Cleaner Under Investigation for Murder

An Arizona woman who served her husband a fish tank cleaner-laced cocktail to ward off the coronavirus is under investigation for murder, police say.

The Washington Free Beacon reports the Mesa City Police Department’s homicide division has opened an investigation into the death of Gary Lenius.

The Free Beacon first reported that his wife, Wanda, served him soda mixed with fish tank cleaner in an attempt to prevent the coronavirus.

She told several news outlets that they decided to drink the deadly mixture after hearing President Donald Trump praise one of its ingredients, chloroquine phosphate. Gary Lenius died on March 22.

"We weren't big supporters of [Trump], but we did see that they were using it in China and stuff," she told the Free Beacon. "And we just made a horrible, tragic mistake.”

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OOF, right? ******* Trump! MangoMussolini! OrangeManBad! UnHiNgEd!!

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...thought-trump-said-it-cured-the-virus-n385983

Out of all the crazy news stories we’ve seen since the outbreak of COIVD-19 the Chinese virus, the craziest one by far has been the tale of Wanda Lenius, the Arizona woman who claims her husband Gary fatally poisoned himself with aquarium cleaner because he thought Trump told him it would cure the virus. None of the details add up, but the press ran with it anyway because it was an excuse to blame the guy who defeated Hillary Clinton. It was too good to check, so they didn’t. It was Jussie Smollett with a fish tank.

But what actually happened to Gary Lenius? Who was he, really? Was he a MAGA-hatted yahoo who just mindlessly did whatever Trump told him to do? Did he hear Trump say “chloroquine” on TV and start slugging down the stuff he used to clean his fish tank? Seriously?

If you’re skeptical, that makes you overqualified for most jobs in today’s “journalism.” This looks like a job for an actual reporter!

Alana Goodman, Washington Free Beacon:

In death, he has become famous as a cautionary tale about the risks of mindlessly following the armchair medical advice President Donald Trump has dispensed from the White House podium.

But friends of 68-year-old Gary Lenius, the Arizona man who passed away last month from drinking a fish tank cleaner that contained an ingredient, chloroquine phosphate, that Trump had touted as a potential coronavirus cure, say they are still struggling to understand what drove an engineer with an extensive science background to do something so wildly out of character…

“What bothers me about this is that Gary was a very intelligent man, a retired [mechanical] engineer who designed systems for John Deere in Waterloo, Iowa, and I really can’t see the scenario where Gary would say, ‘Yes, please, I would love to drink some of that Koi fish tank cleaner,'” one of his close friends told the Washington Free Beacon. “It just doesn’t make any sense.”

Read the whole thing.

I’m not saying Wanda Lenius is the Carole Baskin of tropical fish, but Gary definitely wasn’t the guy we saw depicted in the press. That is, before the press dropped the story, once their own embarrassment started to outweigh any potential harm to Trump. They didn’t care whether it was true, so most of them looked the other way when the story started smelling… well, fishy.

After learning more about Wanda, she does not strike me as a reliable narrator. Gary doesn’t seem like somebody who would do something like that, and his widow doesn’t seem like somebody I should trust when she claims he did something like that.

For example, the couple met while working at John Deere, where Gary was a mechanical engineer and Wanda was a temp who later became a full-time employee. After four years, Wanda went on long-term disability from the company because of “gender and age discrimination” she claimed she suffered. She sued the John Deere company, claiming she had rage-inducing PTSD that could be triggered just by seeing a John Deere sign.

Wanda was also charged with assaulting Gary in 2000, a few months after they were married.

Oh yeah, and also Wanda claims she and Gary both drank a lethal dose of fish-tank cleaner dissolved in a soft drink, and that Gary knew what he was drinking before he died.

This is a heroine of the #Resistance? Okey-doke.

Just because a story makes Trump look bad, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true. A story that confirms your priors may have happened, or it may not have happened. Being skeptical of outrageous claims is good, even if it might benefit somebody you hate.

But hey, champ, look on the bright side…


then there's this....

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/06/18/fish-tank-wife-toxicology-report-n2570896

Well, remember the Arizona couple who ingested fish tank cleaner because it sounded similar to hydroxychloroquine? It’s an anti-malarial drug that the liberal media automatically trashed because President Trump said it might be an effective therapeutic for COVID-19. This couple took chloroquine phosphate which is used to clean fish tanks. They ingested it by mixing it with soda. The husband died and his death is still part of an ongoing investigation investigated. The Washington Free Beacon reported that it was a homicide investigation. The publication interviewed several people who knew the couple, Wanda and Gary Lenius. It was reported that the couple had a rocky relationship, with Wanda engaging in verbal abuse against her husband. Gary dying from this is what raised the eyebrows of some friends who said, “What bothers me about this is that Gary was a very intelligent man, a retired [mechanical] engineer who designed systems for John Deere in Waterloo, Iowa, and I really can't see the scenario where Gary would say, ‘Yes, please, I would love to drink some of that Koi fish tank cleaner…it just doesn't make any sense."

Wanda also appeared to be not the biggest supporter of President Trump and had donated to Democrats:

"We weren't big supporters of [Trump], but we did see that they were using it in China and stuff," she said. "And we just made a horrible, tragic mistake."

Campaign finance records show that Wanda Lenius has given thousands of dollars to Democratic groups and candidates over the past two years, most recently to the 314 Action Fund. The group bills itself as the "pro-science resistance" and has criticized the Trump administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic, holding up the Lenius case to slam the White House.

In the same interview, Wanda Lenius told the Free Beacon that her husband had been planning to schedule a doctor's appointment to have a leg injury looked at and the couple worried he might pick up coronavirus at the clinic. That's when, she said, she reached for the fish tank cleaner in her pantry. Her husband's response, she said, was, "Is it still good?"

Incredible. 37K retweets.

Now it seems increasingly likely that this woman killed her husband and it had little to do with Trump. She tried to use Trump as a scapegoat, and reporters like Heidi eagerly assisted her in promoting that narrative. https://t.co/vKMfJXhCCM

— (((AG))) (@AGHamilton29) April 29, 2020
??Her husband is dead & she's in the ICU after ingesting chloroquine:

"We saw Trump on TV -- every channel -- & all of his buddies and that this was safe," she said.
"Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure."

She implored @VaughnHillyard: "Educate the people" https://t.co/Vl94tIZcdw

— Heidi Przybyla (@HeidiNBC) March 23, 2020
So, when this tragic incident occurred, you bet the liberal media weaponized it to attack the president. It’s somehow the president’s fault that this knucklehead gave her husband a super lethal dose of this fish tank cleaner.
 
Trump did not tell anyone to drink bleach.

He said using disinfectants internally is something the scientists should look at. Is that stupid? Yeah. Is it any more stupid than someone who took that to mean "Go drink some bleach"? No.

Equally as stupid.
 
We have continued our paychecks ...

Some of us have not been able to do so. I run my own small law practice along with five other lawyers. Things have been pretty good. Eight employees, nice office space. But for me to get paid, my job requires that the courts be open, depositions take place, trial dates loom to force the other side to give me enough money to make it viable to settle and if not, try the ******* case and win.

Now? None of that. Plenty of expenses though. Rent, insurance, copier rental, etc.

So I am seeing my retirement money getting torched like it is a Zimbabwe billion dollar bill.

Oh, but all the ************* I support with my taxes are still getting ******* paid, you betcha. Hey, with the massive unemployment we experienced, exactly how ******* many GOVERNMENT ****s were fired? Yeah, thought so. Every ********** that says, "Extend the lockdown" should then have every ******* nickel paid to him over the past five months taken away and not get a penny in wages.

Like the ******* rest of us.
 
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Yeah, in the strictest of terms, he didn't explicitly say it, you are right.

But he certainly implied it, and clearly his words were enough to give certain people the notion it's something that could help.



At this point, who cares? He said what he said and it had the effect that it did, even if he didn't intent for his supporters to start guzzling bleach.

And for those who did, as you suggest, it really doesn't matter what the President, or anyone else, said. If you're dumb enough to drink bleach, you've got what's coming to you.

Trump never said to drink bleach, but the media and Pelosi repeated claimed that he said to drink bleach and that is the story that got most of the attention. So why is there no blame on the media and Pelosi falsely claiming, as you acknowledged, that the President advocated drinking bleach?

If the media and Dem operatives cared about people, wouldn't they make a point to clarify that the Prez did not say to drink bleach? It seems they wanted people to drink bleach.
 
Some of us have not been able to do so. I run my own small law practice along with five other lawyers. Things have been pretty good. Eight employees, nice office space. But for me to get paid, my job requires that the courts be open, depositions take place, trial dates loom to force the other side to give me enough money to make it viable to settle and if not, try the ******* case and win.

Now? None of that. Plenty of expenses though. Rent, insurance, copier rental, etc.

So I am seeing my retirement money getting torched like it is a Zimbabwe billion dollar bill.

Oh, but all the ************* I support with my taxes are still getting ******* paid, you betcha. Hey, with the massive unemployment we experienced, exactly how ******* many GOVERNMENT ****s were fired? Yeah, thought so. Every ********** that says, "Extend the lockdown" should then have every ******* nickel paid to him over the past five months taken away and not get a penny in wages.

Like the ******* rest of us.

My point was we didn’t lose the income but still have been suffering with mental health problems....meaning those that have lost jobs would be that much more having problems.
 
Equally as stupid.

What is chemotherapy? It is purposely poisoning the body with radiation to kill cancer.

It is absolutely not absurd to consider the possibility of developing some sort of medical bleach treatment. What if they come up with a medical solution of bleach or other substance that can be sprayed as a mist directly in the lungs via a tube down the throat? Or maybe as some sort on inhaler? Maybe it makes you sick for a few days but the corona is dead and you recover. Same exact principle as chemo.
 
My point was we didn’t lose the income but still have been suffering with mental health problems....meaning those that have lost jobs would be that much more having problems.

Yeah, I got that, but lucky me, I also get to lose tens of thousands of dollars.

Oh, and guess ******* what? I am taxed on my 2019 earnings, and the IRS expects to get paid in full though my 2020 earnings are a fraction of my 2019 earnings.

**** government. Rioters and looters get away with destroying society, and I am still ******* expected to pay the bill for this ****.
 
What is chemotherapy? It is purposely poisoning the body with radiation to kill cancer.

It is absolutely not absurd to consider the possibility of developing some sort of medical bleach treatment. What if they come up with a medical solution of bleach or other substance that can be sprayed as a mist directly in the lungs via a tube down the throat? Or maybe as some sort on inhaler? Maybe it makes you sick for a few days but the corona is dead and you recover. Same exact principle as chemo.

ThAt'S jUsT lIkE yOuR oPiNiOn, MaN

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What is chemotherapy? It is purposely poisoning the body with radiation to kill cancer. It is absolutely not absurd to consider the possibility of developing some sort of medical bleach treatment.

You do realize chemotherapy took literally centuries to develop?
 
You do realize chemotherapy took literally centuries to develop?

Yeah, and Trump asked a scientist to look into it. He did not suggest people start doing it on their own. I would guess the first person who said "Hey I wonder if radiation would kill cancer cells. We should look into that" sounded pretty crazy and stupid too. But I doubt any normal person he said it to took that as a green light to start trying it on themselves.
 
I have asked three times for Flog, et al. to explain why the United States has so many goddamned cases compared to every other nation on earth. No valid explanation. The "earlier lockdown" claim is bullshit. I disproved it. The "mask mandate" is bullshit.

I offered an explanation that nobody has countered: The United States is testing MUCH more frequently than the rest of the planet, which has gone back to business.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1028731/covid19-tests-select-countries-worldwide/

As of August 24, 2020, the United States has conducted more than 76 million tests. The UK, Spain, Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, Finland, Sweden and France a combined 47 million tests.

Population:
United States: 330 million (plus unknown number of illegals)
European countries listed above: 344 million

Huh. Look at that. Turns out that the US is just ******* testing more. A LOT MORE. How about mortality rate per 100,000 since Trump is out killing people with bleach and professional infected doorknob lickers.

United States, 55 deaths per 100,000 population (or an overall mortality rate of 0.5%). UK? 62.4. Spain? 61.8. Italy? 58.7. Sweden? 57. France? 45.6. Netherlands? 36.1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_by_country

Huh. Sweden, no lockdown, LOWER death rate than UK, Spain, Italy and basically equal to the United States with its dozens of lockdowns.

******* Trump must have sent his COVID murder agents to the UK, Spain and Italy. Nothing else makes sense.

So leftist TDS sufferers, any response, other than

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You do realize chemotherapy took literally centuries to develop?

Yeah, no. More like 50 years.

The use of chemotherapy to treat cancer began at the start of the 20th century with attempts to narrow the universe of chemicals that might affect the disease by developing methods to screen chemicals using transplantable tumors in rodents. It was, however, four World War II–related programs, and the effects of drugs that evolved from them, that provided the impetus to establish in 1955 the national drug development effort known as the Cancer Chemotherapy National Service Center. The ability of combination chemotherapy to cure acute childhood leukemia and advanced Hodgkin's disease in the 1960s and early 1970s overcame the prevailing pessimism about the ability of drugs to cure advanced cancers, facilitated the study of adjuvant chemotherapy, and helped foster the national cancer program. Today, chemotherapy has changed as important molecular abnormalities are being used to screen for potential new drugs as well as for targeted treatments. [Cancer Res 2008;68(21):8643–53]

https://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/68/21/8643
 
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