The Coronavirus thread

[Troglodyte]

All 34 editors of the world’s leading medical journal - The New England Journal of Medicine have condemned the Trump administration for “turning a crisis into a tragedy”. The next time any of you see a doctor, you might want to first check to see if they have been “duped” regarding Covid. Chances are they have and surely you don’t want to take medical advice from such people, right?

 

[Superman]

Flog is proud of his pearl necklace.

is he as proud of his as Kamala was of the one she ***** on stage last night?

 

[Superman]

All 34 editors of the world’s leading medical journal - The New England Journal of Medicine have condemned the Trump administration for “turning a crisis into a tragedy”. The next time any of you see a doctor, you might want to first check to see if they have been “duped” regarding Covid. Chances are they have and surely you don’t want to take medical advice from such people, right?

Dims: we'll only follow Fauci's advice
Trump: follows Fauci's advice
Dims: "TRUMP IS A FAILURE!!"

 

[Steeler Pride]

All 34 editors of the world’s leading medical journal - The New England Journal of Medicine have condemned the Trump administration for “turning a crisis into a tragedy”. The next time any of you see a doctor, you might want to first check to see if they have been “duped” regarding Covid. Chances are they have and surely you don’t want to take medical advice from such people, right?

Our family doctor is the first person I heard the term "Election Infection" from. My best friend is an anesthesiologist, my cousin is a pediatrician, and my wife's brother is an oncologist. All 3 of them say that this is the most overblown reaction to a virus that for almost everyone that gets it will not be lethal. The mortality rate is astronomically low and the vast majority of those infected will have mild to no symptoms. But yeah, lets shut the world down, cause a global recession, and decimate economies so everyone FEELS safer.

 

[Steeltime]

That's the one person (don't think she even deserves that title) my dad and most Vietnam Veterans (I'd assume), would gladly go to jail on homicide for.

Agreed. Why she was not tried for treason and given the same treatment as Tokyo Rose is a mystery to me.

Wife and I belonged to a program in LA that had us attend 3-4 plays or musicals per year. Some were pretty entertaining. I saw that we were scheduled to attend a play in 2009 featuring Hanoi Jane and told wife it would not be a good thing for me to attend. She asked why, I mentioned that Hanoi Jane is a traitor who deserved to be hanged and she was unaware of Hanoi Jane's antics. I had to call up a picture:

How many of our boys did that gun kill? Rot in hell, traitor.

 

[Steeltime]

Hanoi Jane yukking it up about the North Vietnamese killing Americans. You know, before the North Vietnamese began its genocide. A GOOD genocide, mind you, so calm down.

**** traitors.

 

[Steelin]

She is in the Worst People to Walk the Earth Hall of Fame.
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Do you remember the contrite and subdued Hanoi Jane from say 1980 through 2010 or so? The one still groveling incessantly to expedite acting opportunities? I miss that Hanoi Jane.

 

[Steeltime]

All 34 editors of the world’s leading medical journal - The New England Journal of Medicine have condemned the Trump administration for “turning a crisis into a tragedy”. The next time any of you see a doctor, you might want to first check to see if they have been “duped” regarding Covid. Chances are they have and surely you don’t want to take medical advice from such people, right?

I ask for the fourth time, and to the third person criticizing the Covid handling by Trump, please tell me what Fauci recommendation did Trump NOT follow?!? What steps could he have taken but didn't? Here are the documented, undeniable, proven facts:

Travel ban from China where the ******* flu came from? Nope, did that on his own.
Travel bans from European nations infected with the Chinese flu? Nope, did that on his own.
Shutting down businesses? Check.
Ramping up PPE manufacturing? Check.
Ramping up ventilator manufacturing? Check.
Ramping up vaccine experimentation? Check.
Using the Defense Production Act (four days BEFORE Dementia Joe said it should be done)? Check.
Covid response funds in early March, weeks before a serious outbreak? Check.
Asked China for access for medical researchers and epidemiologists in mid-January? Check.
Set up Covid task force in late January, weeks before the outbreak in the United States? Check.
Declare virus a national health emergency in January? Check.
Ship testing equipment to foreign nations battling the virus? Check.
Ramp up testing abilities and production of testing equipment? Check.
February 24, 2020, request $2.5 billion from Congress to help stop the virus? Check.
March 3, 2020 purchase of 500 million N95 respirators? Check.
March 6, 2020 $8.6 billion to fight Chinese flu? Check.
March 11, 2020 direct SBA to issue low-interest loans to businesses affected by Chinese flu? Check.
Speak to governors about outbreak, proposed steps to combat spread? Check.
Sign legislation to help businesses, citizens? Check.
March 18, 2020 sign bill to allow those infected with Chinese flu sick leave and free testing? Check.
Extend tax deadline to July 15? Check.
Send naval medical ships to NY, Los Angeles to assist with medical care? Check.
March 23, 2020 sign order prohibiting hoarding of medical supplies? Check.
Approve disaster declarations for New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Maryland and New Jersey? Check.
Get 100,000 ventilators manufactured in 100 days, or three times the projected production without intervention? Check.
Disaster declarations for 15 more states and two provinces? Check.
Construct Army medical facility in Javits Park, New York? Check.
One million Americans tested for the Chinese flu before the end of the month? Check.
Send more than 1,000 ventilators to five different states, including New York? Check.
Speed up clinical trial for vaccines from Emory Medical and Janssen Research? Check.
Implement and fund the "paycheck protection program"? Check.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethb...ns-response-to-the-wuhan-coronavirus-n2566851

Oh, and ALL OF THE ABOVE was before April 1, 2020.

So tell us, you know-it-all *******, what more could the ******* administration have done, apart from killing Cuomo to prevent him from murdering elderly in care facilities??

TELL US.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

All 34 editors of the world’s leading medical journal - The New England Journal of Medicine have condemned the Trump administration for “turning a crisis into a tragedy”.

Yes the NEJM. The same journal that published a study advocating a mandate for vaccinating the population, with harsh penalties for those who refuse to submit. They advocated for "employment suspension or stay-at-home orders,” over fines or criminal charges because they “disadvantage the poor” and risk getting the mandate itself challenged in court.

A NEJM study published in April appeared to cast doubt on the wisdom of mandating face masks, but its authors published a follow-up letter in July insisting that they had in fact intended to support such a mandate.

For 208 years, they have stayed out of politics. Now they are entering it. I bet if we followed the money, we would know why.

I'll take the thousands and thousands of physicians and surgeons and pediatricians who've stepped up all year long advocating against the lockdowns and severe measures we've taken v the paranoia issued by the NEJM over a virus that, for the vast majority of us, is less deadly than the flu...bro.

 

[Steeltime]

Still waiting for the response to the question I have posed FOUR TIMES now.

Try and craft your own answer, Flog. Media Matters - George Soros' toilet paper - has nothing.

 

[Troglodyte]

Still waiting for the response to the question I have posed FOUR TIMES now.

Try and craft your own answer, Flog. Media Matters - George Soros' toilet paper - has nothing.

The premise of your question is pure nonsense. Fauci urged states to open up in early May? Fauci mocked people for wearing masks? Fauci said the virus would magically disappear? Fauci downplayed Covid?

You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Now Floggy is a plagiarist like his hero-rapist-racist Joe Biden, using U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan's line that Pence used on Willie Brown's mistress

 

[Steeltime]

The premise of your question is pure nonsense. Fauci urged states to open up in early May? Fauci mocked people for wearing masks? Fauci said the virus would magically disappear? Fauci downplayed Covid?

You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

So "mocking" wearing masks and encouraging the United States to re-open the economy three months after institution of the 14-day quarantine, and comments that you disagree with.

That's it? Seriously, comments?

The entire group of ignorant villagers with tiki torches - like the billions of mythical, fictional white supremacists that keep you awake at night - are so fired up because of comments by Donald Trump??

Not actions or policies or activities about the Chinese flu, but COMMENTS?!?!

Comments worsened a flu virus. Too stupid to be believed, but that's the left right now.

 

[deljzc]

There is a simple analysis about whether Trumps "comments" about Covid vs. his actions about Covid has done harm.

And that analysis shows that Democratic States that normally ignore Trump anyway were the WORST hit by Covid! Who exactly in Washington State, California, New Jersey and New York were listening to Trump vs. their own communist governors Trog? How many of these imaginary people help spread the disease and cause all these greater number of deaths that you claim Trump caused due to his "comments"?

What you are claiming doesn't make sense. If the most locked down, democratic ruled states experienced radically different outbreaks than those states with massive Trump supporters and republican governors, I would say there is some degree of truth to your statement.

But this disease is NOT effecting republicans more than democrats. And democrats, due to the INSANE amount of negative press and ridicule from democratic leaders can't POSSIBLY be listening to Donald Trump for advice on Covid, can they? Do you really believe that after 4 years of Trump Derangement Syndrome that all of a sudden American democrats were just hanging on every word Donald Trump said about Covid as 100% scientific truth?

I just don't get it.

 

[Steeltime]

Flog addressing facts del raised about the incredible, amazing, indescribable power of Donald Trump's comments vs. what actually happened:

Hey, here's a thought ... since Donald Trump's comments are so miraculously powerful, so capable of controlling a virus, how about he tell Americans to vote for him? His amazing comment power would guarantee victory, right? RIGHT?!?

 

[Troglodyte]

There is a simple analysis about whether Trumps "comments" about Covid vs. his actions about Covid has done harm.

And that analysis shows that Democratic States that normally ignore Trump anyway were the WORST hit by Covid! Who exactly in Washington State, California, New Jersey and New York were listening to Trump vs. their own communist governors Trog? How many of these imaginary people help spread the disease and cause all these greater number of deaths that you claim Trump caused due to his "comments"?

What you are claiming doesn't make sense. If the most locked down, democratic ruled states experienced radically different outbreaks than those states with massive Trump supporters and republican governors, I would say there is some degree of truth to your statement.

But this disease is NOT effecting republicans more than democrats. And democrats, due to the INSANE amount of negative press and ridicule from democratic leaders can't POSSIBLY be listening to Donald Trump for advice on Covid, can they? Do you really believe that after 4 years of Trump Derangement Syndrome that all of a sudden American democrats were just hanging on every word Donald Trump said about Covid as 100% scientific truth?

I just don't get it.

So where the people live is where they had the most cases. Imagine that! Could you be any more simplistic?

But where are the cases/population highest currently - seven ******* months in? North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Montana, Utah, Idaho.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

There is a simple analysis about whether Trumps "comments" about Covid vs. his actions about Covid has done harm.

And that analysis shows that Democratic States that normally ignore Trump anyway were the WORST hit by Covid! Who exactly in Washington State, California, New Jersey and New York were listening to Trump vs. their own communist governors Trog? How many of these imaginary people help spread the disease and cause all these greater number of deaths that you claim Trump caused due to his "comments"?

What you are claiming doesn't make sense. If the most locked down, democratic ruled states experienced radically different outbreaks than those states with massive Trump supporters and republican governors, I would say there is some degree of truth to your statement.

But this disease is NOT effecting republicans more than democrats. And democrats, due to the INSANE amount of negative press and ridicule from democratic leaders can't POSSIBLY be listening to Donald Trump for advice on Covid, can they? Do you really believe that after 4 years of Trump Derangement Syndrome that all of a sudden American democrats were just hanging on every word Donald Trump said about Covid as 100% scientific truth?

I just don't get it.

In March the "experts" were predicting that over 2 million people were going to die. So if only 10% that many died, is that not a great job by President Trump?

 

[Steeltime]

So where the people live is where they had the most cases. Imagine that! Could you be any more simplistic?

But where are the cases/population highest currently - seven ******* months in? North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Montana, Utah, Idaho.

Careful, Flog. You have confirmed that the greatest threat posed by the Chinese flu are comments, and your comments about Wisconsin could kill thousands.

P.S. I have asked you twice and do so for a third time, Flog - how many paychecks have YOU missed due to the Chinese flu?

 

[Steeltime]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">COVID-19 SURVIVAL RATES (per CDC):<br>Ages 0-19: 99.997%<br>Ages 20-49: 99.98%<br>Ages 50-69: 99.5%<br>Ages 70+: 94.6%</p>— RickLeventhalFoxNews (@RickLeventhal) <a href="https://twitter.com/RickLeventhal/status/1309324425003593728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Troglodyte]

In March the "experts" were predicting that over 2 million people were going to die. So if only 10% that many died, is that not a great job by President Trump?

So the deaths have ceased?

4% of the world’s population, 20% of the deaths.

56k new cases yesterday.

 

[Steeltime]

So the deaths have ceased?

4% of the world’s population, 20% of the deaths.

56k new cases yesterday.

You simply ignore undeniable facts:

• You have zero - ZERO - clue how many have died from the Chinese flu in China.
• You have zero - ZERO - clue how many have died from the Chinese flu in Russia.
• Unfortunately, the United States has a vast percentage of citizens with diabetes and who suffer from obesity.
• "New and detailed data from the new International Diabetes Federation (IDF) Diabetes Atlas, released at this week’s World Diabetes Congress in Vancouver, Canada (Nov 30-Dec 4) reveals that, unsurprisingly, the United States has the highest prevalence (11% of the population aged 20-79 years) of diabetes among developed nations."
• https://endocrinenews.endocrine.org/u-s-leads-developed-nations-in-diabetes-prevalence/
• Obesity rates in the U.S. and Mexico are the highest in the world
• https://healthfully.com/347190-obesity-in-america-vs-other-countries.html
• Further, different nations have classified "Chinese flu" deaths differently. The United States and Italy, for example, have a much broader classification for deaths "caused" by the Chinese flu.
• Birx says government is classifying all deaths of patients with coronavirus as 'COVID-19' deaths, regardless of cause.
• https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...avirus-as-covid-19-deaths-regardless-of-cause
• Further, blaming Donald Trump for the number is stupidity that is beyond your usual embarrassing level. Tens of thousands died - were basically murdered - by (D)imshit governors ordering sick patients to be transferred back to nursing homes to "free up" hospital beds, thereby spreading the disease in the population most likely to be killed.
• About 40% of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Linked to Nursing Homes
• https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-nursing-homes.html
• Therefore, your population vs. deaths is so stupidly flawed as to make a flat-earther look reasonable.
• You don't know how many died from Chinese flu in the most populated nation on earth, the methodology for categorizing deaths as caused by the Chinese flu changes from country-to-country, (D)imshit governors killed tens of thousands of elderly with their "return to nursing home" orders, and the United States unfortunately has a massive population of fat people with diabetes.

Sorry to interrupt your stupid Media Matters inspired stupidity. You may return to quoting the genius of Joe "Steal 'Em If You Can't Think 'Em" Biden.

 

[Troglodyte]

OK, when Fauci said “We had a super spreader event at the White House”, that’s NOT something he told Trump to do.

 

[deljzc]

I will tell you from experience it take very little to create a "super spread" event.

I have earlier in this thread told people about my daily actions, where I work and how many are in my office. Well, we had an "event". Someone brought it into the office. Of the 10 people that have been coming in to work on a daily basis, 5 caught Covid. I took my test Wednesday morning but have not heard back yet. The last I had any contact with any of the positives was last Friday and I've had zero symptoms so I am kind of assuming I am in the clear, but my wife has put me on "quarantine". I get 3 rooms in the house only.

Now we had zero cases of the 10 people in our office from March through September. One person breaks protocol and bam!... all of sudden we have 5 positive cases in a week.

Fortunately, the cases so far appear to be okay. No one has reported being deathly ill or anything. One person spread it to their wife (and they are in their 70's), so that is a concern, but I heard from him today and he is talking fine and appears okay.

Again though... I don't see how this has anything to do with Trump. Of the 10 people in the office, I would say 6 are democrats and 4 are republicans. There has been no difference in infection rates. No change in behavior based on what Trump has done. Our company has followed (as well as possible) all the protocols and recommendations from our Democratic governor here in Delaware.

I personally think our numbers are "fudged" on the high side vs. China, India and some other thrid world countries. I think the media has a clear agenda to "increase" the numbers and make them sound as bad as possible. The daily "milestones" of deaths (which will never go down nor be compared to anything as a benchmark of success or failure) is the #1 headline story on every evening news program. It generates ratings. It generates eyeballs and clicks.

We will never know however the impact this pandemic has because of the "shutdown". How much has crime gone up? How much more domestic violence? Depression? Child abuse? Suicides? Mental health issues like stress and anxiety that cause heart attacks and medical complications?

Unlike the "running total" of Covid deaths the news loves to broadcast, they never talk about these in REAL terms. Or in REAL numbers.

What if instead of "The U.S. has his the 200,000 number of deaths", the news actually said "Covid has caused 200,000 deaths but the shutdown has causes 20,000 more cases of child abuse, 5000 more homicides and 1,000,000 more cases of depression? Notice how that brings a different perspective to the conversation? Something the new organizations don't really care about?

At least we talk about that stuff here. At least I can get some intelligent debate about the pros and cons of subjects.

Look, Trump is Trump. This situation with the pandemic is not best suited to his talents/weaknesses. I know that. Most here know that. I think Covid will cost him re-election. We will look back in history and say "what if Covid didn't happen in 2020?" "How would the world look different?" And we won't be talking about deaths or economic impact. We will be talking about how it changed an election and how that had long term, ripple effect on U.S. policy and politics over the next 20 years.

There will be more economic impact from Biden and the democrats winning over the long haul than the 2020 depression.

That's just my opinion. It's a ****** up year, all around.

In the scheme of things though, I have been extremely happy with Trump's tenure. 3 Supreme Court justices? A monumental achievement. His ability to tap into blue collar, white workers and turn them into Republicans? A major shift in demographic politics that will last the next 20 years. He has also shifted the party a bit away from Tea Party, Religiousness and more towards (or back to) economic capitalism; particularly as the opposite side of the growing European progressive (i.e. socialism) movement.

I think the Republicans now win in the court of public opinion (not Trump but doctrine) on economy, immigration, trade and taxes. Those are four good things to be on the right side of history on. And I think Trump's effect on the party has been extremely positive even if he has been an awkward messenger at times. If Republicans let the democrats walk into their quicksand on crime, race politics and communist fringes, it will not be hard to win with anyone NOT named Trump. I mean, my God, if Trump can win, imagine what a normal, decent candidate that takes his over his mantle and ideas can do?

 

[Steelworth]

So "mocking" wearing masks and encouraging the United States to re-open the economy three months after institution of the 14-day quarantine, and comments that you disagree with.

That's it? Seriously, comments?

This is what the other idiot really thinks of masks (national mask mandate my ***). Actions speak a lot louder than words:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Was it Dr. Fauci or Dr. Birx who taught us to remove our masks and cough in our hands? Remind me which expert he is obeying. <a href="https://t.co/y4v35S3KYk">https://t.co/y4v35S3KYk</a></p>— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1314716906029416450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And if this "pandemic" was truthfully so awful to these people who've already shut down our way of life in the name of safety, wouldn't there be specific receptacles everywhere for used masks containing such a dangerous biological agent?

Flog, you either so willfully have your head in the sand, are obtuse beyond help or are just a plain idiot. In any case, you're a ******* idiot.

 

[SCSteeler4life]

OK, when Fauci said “We had a super spreader event at the White House”, that’s NOT something he told Trump to do.

Pot meet kettle.

Peaceful protest