The Coronavirus thread

[ZonaBurgh]

It's a virus. It's going to take its course. Sorry, those are the facts.

Wait,...........it's a virus? Who knew?

 

[Confluence]

Trog won't be happy until the police are busting down your door and counting your dinner guests.

https://nationalpost.com/news/ontar...-order-for-leaving-children-with-grandparents


Ontario mother fined $880 under stay-at-home order for leaving children with grandparents

Natasha Kohl said she was pulled over by police after picking her children up from their grandparents' house. Police told her they had received a complaint from a neighbour


A Simcoe, Ont. mother says she was fined $880 for dropping off three of her children at their grandparents’ home for babysitting.
Natasha Kohl, a mother of four, told CTV News, she had dropped off the three children at her in-laws’ house in Delhi last weekend, so that she could do some grocery shopping.

Her fiance, she said, wasn’t able to look after their children at that time. “He wasn’t able to help me and it was actually my birthday, so I wanted to get home so I could spend the night with him and my kids, so I took them to my father-in-law,” she said.
When she returned to pick her kids up, they were having lunch with their uncle and cousins, who also live in the house. “So I was with them as they were eating their pizza,” Kohl told CTV News.
Once they left the house, Kohl said she was pulled over by a provincial police officer.
“He turned on his lights and pulled us over and my daughter said, ‘Why is he pulling us over?’ and I said, ‘I don’t know,’ so I waited for him to come to the window and that’s when he said they had complaints of high traffic in the house,” she said.

Once ticketed, she was informed that officials would be speaking to her father-in-law about the complaint as well.
A news release posted by the provincial police states that two people were charged with failing to comply with the Reopening Ontario Act.
“It was determined that police were contacted after several people were seen at the residence. Officers attending the area subsequently stopped a vehicle seen leaving and conducted an investigation,” Const. Ed Sanchuk said in a news release, posted by OPP’s Norfolk county detachment.

Kohl, however, told the Global News that she had explained the situation to the officer. “He clearly watched me pick up my three kids from the house,” she added.
Attending, obtaining or providing child care is allowed under the stay-at-home order, according to the Ontario government. However, Derek Rogers, the media relations coordinator for the OPP’s west region office, told Global News she was “not charged with dropping her kids off at grandparents.”
“She was charged with violating the Reopening Ontario Act,” he added. No details explaining exactly how Kohl violated the act have been provided as yet.
The Ontario mother told Global News that the Ontario government needs to clarify the current lockdown rules for law enforcement.
“From my understanding child care was not taken out, so if you had to take your kids to daycare or you had to have a family member watch your kids, I thought that you were allowed to,” she said.
Meanwhile, Kohl has already sent the ticket to a Simcoe courthouse, where she plans to fight the fine. “I did have a couple of paralegals and people that are legal representatives who emailed me to represent me for free,” she said.
“I had to stop working to stay home with my kids,” Kohl added to CTV News.”So, an $880 ticket is quite expensive when I’m not working.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

It’s all good Canada. China just open up a quarantine camp for thousands. Hey, now that sloppy Joe is here,.....coming to a town near you.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Bingo...NOBODY in the world has figured out how to stop the spread of the virus regardless of how draconian the measures were that they took. The UK is on its third lockdown and still has surging numbers. All of this over a virus that will not kill 99% of the people it infects.

Italy locked down more than we did and their mortality rate is higher.

 

[Confluence]

What did the new Admin do to fight Covid better on Day 1?

Sent from my SM-N950W using Tapatalk

 

[Tibs]

 

[oneforthebus]

What delusions Tibs?

California has the most stringent lockdowns in the country. California has some of the worst infection rates. Is it delusional to consider that maybe lockdowns are counterproductive? Thought we were supposed to follow the science? I guess only science that points toward restrictions on people's freedom matters. And you get offended when people call you a communist?

 

[Troglodyte]

I'll reply again. Randomly I picked Ohio (what's a state we never discuss?). Pulled this graph and their mask mandate date.



If it takes 2-3 weeks to take effect, why did these measures lose their mystical powers in October?

Maybe, possibly...because they don't work? If they worked, why did we see rises like this everywhere? Hmmmmm.....

If my doctor tells me take this medicine and your blood pressure will drop...and I take the medicine for 6 months and see the blood pressure has risen....he's gonna have a tough time telling me the medicine is working.

And look at Ohio’s most densely populated counties, they’re way down the list. How can that be if restrictions and masks don’t work? It’s a contagious disease. They should have the worst case rates. Something is obviously working.

If your doctor was a surgeon, would you be OK with him not wearing a mask while operating on you? Same concept, Tim.

Do you really think that highly educated and trained doctors around the WORLD all got it wrong with their consensus and you got it right?

 

[Troglodyte]

What delusions Tibs?

California has the most stringent lockdowns in the country. California has some of the worst infection rates. Is it delusional to consider that maybe lockdowns are counterproductive? Thought we were supposed to follow the science? I guess only science that points toward restrictions on people's freedom matters. And you get offended when people call you a communist?

Compare San Francisco to LA. Something is working in San Francisco.

Again, what explains the drastic differences between countries, states, counties? If restrictions didn’t work, wouldn’t the most densely populated areas consistently be the ones hardest hit?

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Lockdown Lives Matter

 

[Hines57]

So is the Rona over yet? Lots of new cases on Sleepy Joe's first day.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

https://nationalpost.com/news/ontar...-order-for-leaving-children-with-grandparents


Ontario mother fined $880 under stay-at-home order for leaving children with grandparents

Natasha Kohl said she was pulled over by police after picking her children up from their grandparents' house. Police told her they had received a complaint from a neighbour


A Simcoe, Ont. mother says she was fined $880 for dropping off three of her children at their grandparents’ home for babysitting.
Natasha Kohl, a mother of four, told CTV News, she had dropped off the three children at her in-laws’ house in Delhi last weekend, so that she could do some grocery shopping.

Her fiance, she said, wasn’t able to look after their children at that time. “He wasn’t able to help me and it was actually my birthday, so I wanted to get home so I could spend the night with him and my kids, so I took them to my father-in-law,” she said.
When she returned to pick her kids up, they were having lunch with their uncle and cousins, who also live in the house. “So I was with them as they were eating their pizza,” Kohl told CTV News.
Once they left the house, Kohl said she was pulled over by a provincial police officer.
“He turned on his lights and pulled us over and my daughter said, ‘Why is he pulling us over?’ and I said, ‘I don’t know,’ so I waited for him to come to the window and that’s when he said they had complaints of high traffic in the house,” she said.

Once ticketed, she was informed that officials would be speaking to her father-in-law about the complaint as well.
A news release posted by the provincial police states that two people were charged with failing to comply with the Reopening Ontario Act.
“It was determined that police were contacted after several people were seen at the residence. Officers attending the area subsequently stopped a vehicle seen leaving and conducted an investigation,” Const. Ed Sanchuk said in a news release, posted by OPP’s Norfolk county detachment.

Kohl, however, told the Global News that she had explained the situation to the officer. “He clearly watched me pick up my three kids from the house,” she added.
Attending, obtaining or providing child care is allowed under the stay-at-home order, according to the Ontario government. However, Derek Rogers, the media relations coordinator for the OPP’s west region office, told Global News she was “not charged with dropping her kids off at grandparents.”
“She was charged with violating the Reopening Ontario Act,” he added. No details explaining exactly how Kohl violated the act have been provided as yet.
The Ontario mother told Global News that the Ontario government needs to clarify the current lockdown rules for law enforcement.
“From my understanding child care was not taken out, so if you had to take your kids to daycare or you had to have a family member watch your kids, I thought that you were allowed to,” she said.
Meanwhile, Kohl has already sent the ticket to a Simcoe courthouse, where she plans to fight the fine. “I did have a couple of paralegals and people that are legal representatives who emailed me to represent me for free,” she said.
“I had to stop working to stay home with my kids,” Kohl added to CTV News.”So, an $880 ticket is quite expensive when I’m not working.

tye lesson is that she should have taken her 3 kids with her to the store, thus exposing them to hundreds of people rather than the small few at her in laws. Cuz Science!!!

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

what I find funny about this cartoon is that leftists think this applies to those on the right when it’s the left that ignores science all the time. I mean real science. Science that has dissent and demands verifiable repeatable proof, rather than just a consensus of opinion bought with grant money.

 

[Steeltime]

Compare San Francisco to LA. Something is working in San Francisco.

SF and LA both densely populated. SF and LA both have massive homeless populations. SF and LA both incredibly expensive. SF and LA both with substantial medical care resources. SF and LA both have massive lockdowns, something you apparently did not know or simply ignored.

San Francisco’s stay-at-home order, which was tentatively expected to lift as of January 7 2021, has been extended “indefinitely,” Mayor London Breed and Director of Health Dr. Grant Colfax announced Thursday. In addition, officials say, the city might keep its stay-at-home in place even after the state lifts it, depending on “key health indicators.” That means that activities including outdoor dining will remain forbidden in San Francsico for an unforeseen length of time.

The announcement was a surprise to those who attended Colfax’s final address of the year, which was delivered on December 29. While he warned that New Year’s Eve gatherings could be “catastrophic” for the area’s COVID-19 case rate, he also said that the increase in positive coronavirus tests was leveling off. He did not, we should note, make any indication that the city expected its current lockdown — which the region entered voluntarily on December 6, and was made official by the state on December 16 — would continue past next week.

https://sf.eater.com/2020/12/31/222...ockdown-quarantine-shutdown-outdoor-dining-sf

Los Angeles County and the entire Southern California region will remain in lockdown mode for at least the next month, drawing out the current state-mandated public health order well into the new year — and almost certainly beyond. That’s per Dr. Mark Ghaly of California’s Health and Human Services Agency, who said today “ICU capacity is not improving in Southern California,” and is not projected to improve for at least the next few months. In order for LA and surrounding counties to move out of the current stay at home order, intensive care unit bed capacity (among other factors) would need to improve to at or above 15 percent, and remain there for some time.

There is no firm date for that to happen, Dr. Ghaly acknowledged today, as bed capacity fluctuates daily. The current stay at home public health order will remain in effect “for the time being,” he said.

While not surprising, the news is still a setback for millions of people across some of the most populous counties not only in California, but nationwide. The ongoing public health order mandates everything from the complete closure of any on-site restaurant dining (which has been closed since November 22); limited capacity at various retail facilities (both essential and non-essential); and beyond. Los Angeles County has also had an ongoing curfew that bans non-essential travel overnight, and recently enacted a mandatory 10-day quarantine for anyone returning from a trip outside of county lines.

https://la.eater.com/2020/12/29/222...-outdoor-dining-covid-19-coronavirus-2021-new

I can't go to Los Angeles to conduct business because of the lockdowns. That means I can't earn nearly as much as normal, which means I can't improve my home, hire people to work on the landscaping, maybe upgrade my car.

None of this matters to you, you selfish *****, because hey, you're getting paid.

Los Angeles and San Francsisco have BOTH had overwhelming lockdowns for a long time. You explain the difference. Me? It's a ******* virus. It spreads and wanes, spreads and wanes, spreads and wanes, just as all ******* goddamn viruses have done throughout history.

So take your lockdown and shove it up your cheap, freeloading ***.

 

[Spike]

Doctor that promoted false hydroxychloroquine claims arrested in connection with Capitol riot

Federal officials this weekend arrested the head of a fringe medical group that has promoted false claims about vaccines and the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine in connection with the deadly Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.

The Justice Department said in charging documents that it had charged Simone Gold, head of America’s Frontline Doctors, with violent entry, disorderly conduct and entering a restricted building. John Strand, the group’s communications director, was also charged in connection with the riot, with the Justice Department including images of both inside the building.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...ho-met-with-pence-arrested-in-connection-with

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

And look at Ohio’s most densely populated counties, they’re way down the list. How can that be if restrictions and masks don’t work? It’s a contagious disease. They should have the worst case rates. Something is obviously working.

Each time you post, I say "This guy cannot top this level of stupidity." And then you do.

Wrong. Where do you get your data? Like, do you do any research before you post? There are 88 counties in Ohio. Here are the top 15 lowest infection rates in the state by county:



You'll see the ranges in population sizes. The disparity. In this top 15 list, you have counties ranging in Population rank by size from 19th in population to 88th. There is literally no correlation between infected rates and the size of counties. None.

The average infection rate of the top 10 population counties in Ohio is 7.22%
The average infection rate of the ten smallest population counties in Ohio is 6.66%.

The average infection rate of the top 20 population counties in Ohio is 7.05%
The average infection rate of the 20 smallest population counties in Ohio is 6.92%

If your doctor was a surgeon, would you be OK with him not wearing a mask while operating on you? Same concept, Tim.

Again, holy **** man. For real? You're equating wearing masks in a surgical setting to going to the grocery store, making the assumption both environments are equally dangerous. SMH. In an operating room, a patient is opened up, his insides exposed to the environment, under sedation, in a weakened physical state. It's been proven wearing a mask in such a high risk situation prevents infecting patients.

You may as well suggest that since construction workers wear hard hats and they prevent brain injury, the general public should wear them when in public to prevent head trauma. Because if it works on the construction site, by god it must work in a restaurant too.

Do you really think that highly educated and trained doctors around the WORLD all got it wrong with their consensus and you got it right?

You falsely assume there is 100% unity among the medical community on wearing masks and with lockdowns. That community is utterly split. From national pediatrician organizations saying get kids back to school it's safe, to hundreds of thousands of doctors saying "this isn't working." You might try getting off of HuffPo and look around.

Finally, let me remind you - YOU stated it takes 2-3 weeks for the effects of masks and lockdowns to work. Can you look at the graph below Gomer and tell me what happened to cases 3 weeks after the mask mandates were implemented? (by the way, California began their lockdown March 20)

 

[Troglodyte]

It's a ******* virus. It spreads and wanes, spreads and wanes, spreads and wanes, just as all ******* goddamn viruses have done throughout history.

NOT. RANDOMLY.

It’s a contagious disease. It needs a host. If it’s spreading it’s because people are giving it to others. If its waning, it’s because they’re not. Science.

 

[Steeltime]

NOT. RANDOMLY.

It’s a contagious disease. It needs a host. If it’s spreading it’s because people are giving it to others. If its waning, it’s because they’re not. Science.

Scientific studies show lockdowns have no real effect on the spread of a virus which is already worldwide.

Scientific studies show hundreds of thousands likely to die due to the massive damage caused by the lockdowns - financial, social, societal.

Science shows that only the greediest ****s make bank on the virus and then insist that OTHERS lockdown.

If the dong fits, ***** ...

 

[Troglodyte]

Each time you post, I say "This guy cannot top this level of stupidity." And then you do.

Wrong. Where do you get your data? Like, do you do any research before you post? There are 88 counties in Ohio. Here are the top 15 lowest infection rates in the state by county:



You'll see the ranges in population sizes. The disparity. In this top 15 list, you have counties ranging in Population rank by size from 19th in population to 88th. There is literally no correlation between infected rates and the size of counties. None.

The average infection rate of the top 10 population counties in Ohio is 7.22%
The average infection rate of the ten smallest population counties in Ohio is 6.66%.

The average infection rate of the top 20 population counties in Ohio is 7.05%
The average infection rate of the 20 smallest population counties in Ohio is 6.92%



Again, holy **** man. For real? You're equating wearing masks in a surgical setting to going to the grocery store, making the assumption both environments are equally dangerous. SMH. In an operating room, a patient is opened up, his insides exposed to the environment, under sedation, in a weakened physical state. It's been proven wearing a mask in such a high risk situation prevents infecting patients.

You may as well suggest that since construction workers wear hard hats and they prevent brain injury, the general public should wear them when in public to prevent head trauma. Because if it works on the construction site, by god it must work in a restaurant too.



You falsely assume there is 100% unity among the medical community on wearing masks and with lockdowns. That community is utterly split. From national pediatrician organizations saying get kids back to school it's safe, to hundreds of thousands of doctors saying "this isn't working." You might try getting off of HuffPo and look around.

Finally, let me remind you - YOU stated it takes 2-3 weeks for the effects of masks and lockdowns to work. Can you look at the graph below Gomer and tell me what happened to cases 3 weeks after the mask mandates were implemented? (by the way, California began their lockdown March 20)

Nice try, Tim. Start from the bottom-up showing only counties with low rates and avoiding the top-down which is what I referred to and iwhat you can’t disprove. How far down is Franklin County and what is it’s rate compared to the highest RURAL counties? Half?

Completely lost on you is the fact that the same people who correctly predicted the late fall and winter surge are the same ones telling you to wear a mask. And it is a consensus, Dr. Atlas.

 

[Confluence]

Compare San Francisco to LA. Something is working in San Francisco.

Again, what explains the drastic differences between countries, states, counties? If restrictions didn’t work, wouldn’t the most densely populated areas consistently be the ones hardest hit?

Humidity

 

[Steeltime]

You may as well suggest that since construction workers wear hard hats and they prevent brain injury, the general public should wear them when in public to prevent head trauma. Because if it works on the construction site, by god it must work in a restaurant too.

Flog supports that idea.

 

[oneforthebus]

NOT. RANDOMLY.

It’s a contagious disease. It needs a host. If it’s spreading it’s because people are giving it to others. If its waning, it’s because they’re not. Science.

What you're ignoring is the human behavior part of science.

 

[Steeltime]

TOTAL COINCIDENCE ALERT: C19 Diagnostic Criteria Tightened by WHO on Biden Inauguration Day!

Well, what are the odds?

It just so happens that—on the very day Joe Biden took office—the World Health Organization also released new guidelines ratcheting up the diagnostic criteria for COVID-19.

A single positive PCR test for the virus isn’t going to cut it anymore.

For some reason, as of today, the organization decided that those tests for the virus we’ve been relentlessly assured are the gold standard for detecting infection are, in reality, just a mere “aid for diagnosis.”

Clinicians now, not only can, but “must” also consider a wide array of other factors, like “timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts,” and even something called “epidemiological information”—whatever that exactly is—before diagnosing anyone with COVID-19.

WHO has also suddenly decided that, if you don’t show any symptoms, you’ll need to get a second test for confirmation as well.

But, if you expect WHO to also recommend going back and massively decreasing the daily case and death counts used to terrorize us into submission for almost a year now by applying their new criteria retroactively, you’ve yet to understand that “following the science” has everything to do with following but nothing at all to do with science.

In fact, if you look closely, you’ll notice these new tighter guidelines—though released today—were actually all typed up and ready to go on January 13.

Wonder why they waited a week?

Whatever the reason, you may not be too surprised to learn that WHO is just returning to what used to be standard operating procedure.

Up until COVID hit in 2020, neither WHO nor the CDC had ever considered a single positive PCR test sufficient for diagnosing viral infection.

https://redstate.com/michael_thau/2...ymptom-less-on-day-biden-takes-office-n313400

 

[Troglodyte]

Scientific studies show lockdowns have no real effect on the spread of a virus which is already worldwide.

Scientific studies show hundreds of thousands likely to die due to the massive damage caused by the lockdowns - financial, social, societal.

Wait, SCIENTIFIC studies? So there’s a control group identical to the treatment group? What, some parallel universe without any Covid restrictions?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Nice try, Tim. Start from the bottom-up showing only counties with low rates and avoiding the top-down which is what I referred to and iwhat you can’t disprove. How far down is Franklin County and what is it’s rate compared to the highest RURAL counties? Half?

Completely lost on you is the fact that the same people who correctly predicted the late fall and winter surge are the same ones telling you to wear a mask. And it is a consensus, Dr. Atlas.

Flogged....LOL keep on spinning man. There is no correlation between population sizes in counties and the infections rate. Literally none.

Franklin County, the most populous, has a 7.49% infection rate.
The infection rate for the entire state is 7.20%

The average infection rate of the top 10 population counties in Ohio is 7.22%
The average infection rate of the ten smallest population counties in Ohio is 6.66%.

The average infection rate of the top 20 population counties in Ohio is 7.05%
The average infection rate of the 20 smallest population counties in Ohio is 6.92%

Here are the top 25 counties by population.



Do remember, there is a state wide mask mandate Flog. If a mask protects you in Cleveland, won't it equally protect you in Athens?

Finally, Spike could have predicted a late fall/winter surge...because it's a seasonal virus. Good lord. SMH.