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The Coronavirus thread

Trump? You never answered if you think Trump (and Melanie) were stupid for getting vaccinated a few months after having Covid. You obviously were unaware. Step out of your bubble!

My response?

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Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump,
Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump ...


Why don't you make up more stupid **** that I can disprove?
 
Stop being jerks and join the rest of civilized society around the world. Get your vaccines & wear your masks. It will take everyone working together collectively to defeat Covid, so we can get on with our lives.


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Stop being a science denier and using COVID as a means of expressing your political identity. You are exactly what the article I posted describes. You and Flog are who they specifically wrote about.


 
No, I equate hundreds of thousands of people still getting vaccinated daily as evidence of ONGOING DEMAND and that not everyone who wants to be vaccinated has been vaccinated. But if you’d step outside your bubble, you might be aware that the vaccine IS NOT YET AVAILABLE to millions of 12-15 year-olds.

Speaking of living in bubbles....that overwhelming ONGOING DEMAND you speak of appears to be made up like so much of the **** you spout here.


States asked the federal government this week to withhold staggering amounts of COVID-19 vaccine amid plummeting demand for the shots, contributing to a growing U.S. stockpile of doses.

From South Carolina to Washington, states are requesting the Biden administration send them only a fraction of what has been allocated to them. The turned-down vaccines amount to hundreds of thousands of doses this week alone, providing a stark illustration of the problem of vaccine hesitancy in the U.S.


More than 150 million Americans — about 57% of the adult population — have received at least one dose of vaccine, but government leaders from the Biden administration down to the city and county level are doing everything they can to persuade the rest of the country to get inoculated.

Surgeon General Vivek Murthy said Friday the federal government has dedicated $250 million for community organizations to promote vaccinations, make appointments, and provide transportation.

He cited examples such as holding conversations with small groups of people in minority communities in St. Louis and asking Rhode Island churches to contact community members and offer them rides to vaccination sites. He also noted a global Hindu American organization has turned temples into vaccination centers, making it easier for elderly members to get shots in a familiar setting. The Indianapolis Motor Speedway has added a vaccination site in which people can get their shots in a Formula 1 garage near the race tunnels.

The Biden administration announced this week, if states do not order all the vaccine they have been allotted, the administration will shift the surplus to meet demand in other states.

In another sign of the burgeoning national surplus, Biden announced last week his administration would share the nation's entire stock of AstraZeneca doses with the world once it clears safety reviews.

The huge supply and dwindling demand has highlighted the vast inequalities during the pandemic, with countries like India buckling under a disastrous surge of the virus and other nations having no doses at all. At the same time, wealthy countries like the U.S. are awash in vaccine, and seeing cases and deaths plunge as a result.

The federal government allocates vaccines to each state based on their population size, and then it is up to the states to decide how many doses they want to order every week. Early on, states routinely asked for the full allocation — and were clamoring for more shots — but now they are scaling back requests.

Wisconsin officials have asked for just 8% of the 162,680 doses the federal government had set aside for the state next week. Julie Willems Van Dijk, the state health department's deputy secretary, acknowledged earlier demand is softening and vaccinators are drawing down existing inventories before ordering more doses.

In Iowa, officials have asked the federal government for 29% of that state's allocated doses next week. Kansas officials asked for less than 9% of their 162,000-dose allotment this past week. Counties have been turning down doses as demand plummets, leaving the state with a stockpile of almost 647,000 doses.

Melaney Arnold, a spokeswoman for the Illinois Department of Public Health, said the state has 5 weeks' worth of doses on hand. Last week, state officials for the first time requested fewer doses than allotted because of declining demand. The state plans to request just 9% of its allotted doses for everywhere but Chicago for next week.

Connecticut has requested 26% of its allotment for next week. South Carolina plans to order 21% of its doses.

North Carolina has scaled back its request for the past week by 40%. Washington state also cut its order by about 40% this week, the first time the state's order has been smaller than its allocation.

Not everyone is dialing back. Maryland and Colorado are still ordering their full amount. So is New York City. The average number of daily shots in the nation's largest city has dropped about 40% since peaking at more than 95,000 in mid-April, but city officials want a steady supply of doses to create more shots at doctor's offices, neighborhood pharmacies and other small providers, hoping to appeal to people who have skipped mass vaccination sites.

"We've got the demand to keep using our supply effectively," Mayor Bill de Blasio said.

Health experts have generally said about 70% of the nation's population would need to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity. The Biden administration wants to get 70% of adult Americans vaccinated by July 4, but has acknowledged the downward trend in vaccinations and the challenge to win over people who doubt the vaccine's effectiveness or simply do not want to get shots.

The president announced Tuesday that federal officials will expand smaller and mobile vaccination clinics for hard-to-reach communities and push education campaigns. He also has touted incentive programs, such as discounts for shoppers who get vaccinated at grocery stores.

North Carolina health officials are considering paying younger people to get shots. West Virginia has announced people between the ages of 16 and 35 will be eligible for a $100 savings bond if they get the vaccine or have gotten it. Detroit officials started a program Monday to pay people $50 for every city resident they sign up for a first dose and bring in for an appointment.
Dr. Joshua Sharfstein, vice dean for public health practice and community engagement at Johns Hopkins University, said he was not "despairing" over the slowing of demand.

"Herd immunity is not necessarily a moment when the music plays and the sun shines," he said. "It is about how easy it is for the virus to pass around in a community, and I think there is a lot more progress to be made. People who think, 'Well, we are done with the large stadiums, so that is it, we are not going to vaccinate any more people' are wrong. You can vaccinate a lot of people if you make it convenient for them, if you get it to their doctor's offices, if you answer their questions. But it is going to take a different type of effort to do it.
 
A moment of clarity from a freeloader.

Here, let's get you a sheet of paper so you can relax and draw some stick figure animals, like tigers or camels or something. It's obvious the stress is getting to you. Try to unwind, use your imagination a little. If you're a good boy and stay quiet for a bit, we can fix you some hot chocolate after you finished drawing, mkay?


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Health experts have generally said about 70% of the nation's population would need to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity.

Xiden told us that 200 million Americans have been vaccinated because of his awesomeness.

President Biden announced Wednesday that Americans have received 200 million COVID-19 vaccinations since he took office, double his initial goal of 100 million vaccinations in his first 100 days, and what he called "an incredible achievement for the nation."


Another 11 million were vaccinated before Basement Boy took office.

Another On January 15, the week before Biden was sworn in, 10.6 million Americans had received a COVID vaccine under Trump's administration, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) figures at the time. The number has since risen to over 71 million doses delivered across the U.S., 55 million of which have been administered.


So according to Xiden, Basement Boy, dolt, lackey, imbecile, dementia patient, at least 211 million Americans have been vaccinated through today, probably closer to 220 million.

Another 50 million Americans have had the Chinese flu and recovered. I base that on the fact that more than 32 million have tested positive and recovered, and random testing shows that a significant percentage of the population had the antibodies without knowing they even had the Chinese flu.

Combined that means more than 261 million of the American population have either had the vaccine or had the virus and natural antibodies after recovering.

261 million people out of a population of 335 million = 78% of the population.

Huh. We have achieved herd immunity according to the experts. Well, I mean, those Chinese flu deaths!! Not so much.


The Covid death squad reports the country is now well below its level of "expected deaths." So Chinese flu deaths have disappeared in this nation, consistent with the data on herd immunity.

Interesting we hear nothing about these facts from the lapdog left-wing media.

Or the Covid freeloaders that pollute this board.
 
MAGA douchebag DeSantis is doing a bang up job down in Florida, that's for sure. Stay vigilante, folks!


Variant COVID-19 infections skyrocketed following spring break in Florida and there have been more than 10,000 variant cases reported throughout the state, the South Florida Sun Sentinel reported based on data from the Florida Department of Health.

A total of 753 variant cases from three strains -- the B.1.1.7, the P.1, and the B. 1.3.5.1. -- were reported on March 14, according to variant infection data shared with ABC News. The Florida Department of Health does not disclose variant cases on its public dashboard.


That number swelled to 5,177 cases from five types of variants on April 15. Just two weeks later, the number of variant infections exploded to 9,248 on April 27, according to local ABC affiliate , WFTV.

The surge falls in line with mid-March into April spring break celebrations, when college students and vacationers flock to the sunshine state.

Florida is home to the most variant COVID-19 cases in the country. State health officials reported more than 11,800 cases of COVID-19 variants on Wednesday, according to the Sun Sentinel.

.../...

Now doctors are warning the public to stay vigilant and get vaccinated to prevent cases from going back up.

Dr. Bernard Ashby, a Miami-based cardiologist who has worked in the front lines of the pandemic, is warning of the dangers of the variants, especially in populous areas.

"If you look at the county breakdown, Miami-Dade leads the state in the variants followed by Broward County. And we've led in infections rates in general," Ashby told ABC News. "What's interesting is the degree to much the counties dominated ... [those counties] essentially account for almost 40% of the variants in the state that's out there."

"It's hard to ignore that we are essentially open for business," he said noting DeSantis' lift of COVID-19 restrictions this week. "Now we're seeing this little explosion."
 
MAGA douchebag DeSantis is doing a bang up job down in Florida, that's for sure. Stay vigilante, folks!


Variant COVID-19 infections skyrocketed following spring break in Florida and there have been more than 10,000 variant cases reported throughout the state, the South Florida Sun Sentinel reported based on data from the Florida Department of Health.

A total of 753 variant cases from three strains -- the B.1.1.7, the P.1, and the B. 1.3.5.1. -- were reported on March 14, according to variant infection data shared with ABC News. The Florida Department of Health does not disclose variant cases on its public dashboard.


That number swelled to 5,177 cases from five types of variants on April 15. Just two weeks later, the number of variant infections exploded to 9,248 on April 27, according to local ABC affiliate , WFTV.

The surge falls in line with mid-March into April spring break celebrations, when college students and vacationers flock to the sunshine state.

Florida is home to the most variant COVID-19 cases in the country. State health officials reported more than 11,800 cases of COVID-19 variants on Wednesday, according to the Sun Sentinel.

.../...

Now doctors are warning the public to stay vigilant and get vaccinated to prevent cases from going back up.

Dr. Bernard Ashby, a Miami-based cardiologist who has worked in the front lines of the pandemic, is warning of the dangers of the variants, especially in populous areas.

"If you look at the county breakdown, Miami-Dade leads the state in the variants followed by Broward County. And we've led in infections rates in general," Ashby told ABC News. "What's interesting is the degree to much the counties dominated ... [those counties] essentially account for almost 40% of the variants in the state that's out there."

"It's hard to ignore that we are essentially open for business," he said noting DeSantis' lift of COVID-19 restrictions this week. "Now we're seeing this little explosion."

Tibs, you idiot fool. Still drinking up and consuming the fear porn. As I keep saying, that article was written about you. You love the lockdowns, they are symbolic of your ideology, and you and your ilk can't give it up. It's religion.

How about some facts?

From your own beloved NY Times, updated TODAY May 9, here is a map of the COVID hot spots in the USA:
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I'm sure you can interpret this. Maybe not. Let's look at data.

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The states in red have NO mask mandates. 24 states listed, leading the nation in cases per 100K. SIX of them have no mask mandates. 18 DO. Hmmmmm, does that tell you masking is working?

Now look at your ABC fear porn article. Compare to TODAY's data. Florida has a drop of 34% in cases in the past 14 days. A DROP OF 34%. But, like the former article I posted states, ya'll can't let go. You and ABC.

Of the 24 states shown, only ONE is showing an increase of cases over 14 days.

Given your outrage over Desantis' expert handling of the virus, I fully expect your next articles will be to highlight the moronic mishandling of COVID in states like Michigan, Colorado and Minnesota. I can't wait to see you post how idiot Whitmer has cost her state dearly with her draconian lockdowns.

I'll wait.

PS...and if you want to try to issue false care, ask us to remain vigilant. Charles Bronson was a vigilante, moron.
 
MAGA douchebag DeSantis is doing a bang up job down in Florida, that's for sure. Stay vigilante, folks!


Variant COVID-19 infections skyrocketed following spring break in Florida and there have been more than 10,000 variant cases reported throughout the state, the South Florida Sun Sentinel reported based on data from the Florida Department of Health.

A total of 753 variant cases from three strains -- the B.1.1.7, the P.1, and the B. 1.3.5.1. -- were reported on March 14, according to variant infection data shared with ABC News. The Florida Department of Health does not disclose variant cases on its public dashboard.


That number swelled to 5,177 cases from five types of variants on April 15. Just two weeks later, the number of variant infections exploded to 9,248 on April 27, according to local ABC affiliate , WFTV.

The surge falls in line with mid-March into April spring break celebrations, when college students and vacationers flock to the sunshine state.

Florida is home to the most variant COVID-19 cases in the country. State health officials reported more than 11,800 cases of COVID-19 variants on Wednesday, according to the Sun Sentinel.

.../...

Now doctors are warning the public to stay vigilant and get vaccinated to prevent cases from going back up.

Dr. Bernard Ashby, a Miami-based cardiologist who has worked in the front lines of the pandemic, is warning of the dangers of the variants, especially in populous areas.

"If you look at the county breakdown, Miami-Dade leads the state in the variants followed by Broward County. And we've led in infections rates in general," Ashby told ABC News. "What's interesting is the degree to much the counties dominated ... [those counties] essentially account for almost 40% of the variants in the state that's out there."

"It's hard to ignore that we are essentially open for business," he said noting DeSantis' lift of COVID-19 restrictions this week. "Now we're seeing this little explosion."
do you even bother reading what you post?

The surge falls in line with mid-March into April spring break celebrations, when college students and vacationers flock to the sunshine state.

do you understand what that means?

there is one key word in that entire sentence that should help you.

it's flock

flock, per dictionary.com:

verb (used without object)​

to gather or go in a flock or crowd:

in this instance, it means that college students and vacationers have went to Florida ...

Since I live here, I can assure you that the vast, vast majority of the people who went to the beach in April were NOT from the state of Florida. In living here for 10+ years, Floridians avoid the beaches at that time of year. Why? it's too crowded with the college kids from OUT OF STATE (this is painfully obvious as we see license plates from say, Virginia) who come here to get drunk and show their ***. The water is also too cold for Floridians.

To put this in perspective, you regurgitating this article as troof would be similar to me posting something about where you live and calling it undeniable FACT. I don't do that since facts about what is going on in Hungaria are not relevant to me. Now, since you used to live in the US of A, you do have an interest. I'll give you that much. But, that interest does not mean you have full knowledge of what is going on over here. Even if you read biased articles. Which you clearly do not. Or, if you read them, you do not exercise critical thinking skills - crucial to getting to the middle ground of any article.

as of right now - there have been 2,269,806 Rona Cases in the state of Florida. 35,731 deaths. 1,846,061 recoveries.

per state records, located here --- http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/vaccine/vaccine_report_latest.pdf --- 15,666,774 doses of the vaccine have been distributed. I can ******* assure you that when the roll out happened, there were traffic jam MILES LONG for the shot. 9,265,816 people have been vaccinated.

9,265,816 vaccinated

Florida's population is 21,477,737
recovered from the Rona -1,831,455
again, from here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-cases-daily

that makes 11,097,271 people who have either been vaccinated or have natural antibodies from having the virus. 51.6% of the population.

10,380,466 have not been vaccinated nor developed antibodies that we know of.

per floggy that means that those people are shivering in tremendous fear from the virus creeping up behind them and brutally slaying them before they can blink.

why dont you and floggy step outside of your RonaBubbles and get some fresh air? the world is not ending. people are getting vaccinated as they want to, when they want and how they want. The fear porn you two subscribe to is boiling the oatmeal between your ears.
 
Not shocking. This article, that I previously posted, that should appear on EVERY page of this thread, describes Tibs (and Flog) exactly. Stunningly perfectly. After reading the article, scroll back to their posts. It's 100% dead spot on.

They sadly are not alone and there's countless out there, brainwashed by their ridiculous media, through constant fear porn, into believing everything they've been told about COVID. Because they are such lemmings, and loyal soldiers, they cannot or will not see through the inconsistencies they've been fed. Therefore, they still pledge allegiance to Corona, spout these contradictions, and never ever question what they are told. They touted the science, as the article says, then steered away from it.

Most bizarre thing I've seen a collective populous do in my life I think. It's Jim Jones-Guyana-like.


(from the Atlantic, mind you): ...some ordinary Americans of liberal political persuasions have become so committed to lockdowns that they are having trouble returning to normal life...Lurking among the jubilant Americans venturing back out to bars and planning their summer-wedding travel is a different group: liberals who aren’t quite ready to let go of pandemic restrictions. For this subset, diligence against COVID-19 remains an expression of political identity—even when that means overestimating the disease’s risks or setting limits far more strict than what public-health guidelines permit...But this is a different story, about progressives who stressed the scientific evidence, and then veered away from it.

Because they're mentally weak,easily misled and beg to be ruled. If our country gets filled with them, we will get conquered easily. No wonder they love communism so much and embrace teaching it in schools.

All it took was a year of masks to brain wash them into accepting
whatever the state tells them. They can't let go of their binky mask. It's a security blanket.
 
Speaking of living in bubbles....that overwhelming ONGOING DEMAND you speak of appears to be made up like so much of the **** you spout here.


States asked the federal government this week to withhold staggering amounts of COVID-19 vaccine amid plummeting demand for the shots, contributing to a growing U.S. stockpile of doses.

From South Carolina to Washington, states are requesting the Biden administration send them only a fraction of what has been allocated to them. The turned-down vaccines amount to hundreds of thousands of doses this week alone, providing a stark illustration of the problem of vaccine hesitancy in the U.S.


More than 150 million Americans — about 57% of the adult population — have received at least one dose of vaccine, but government leaders from the Biden administration down to the city and county level are doing everything they can to persuade the rest of the country to get inoculated.

Surgeon General Vivek Murthy said Friday the federal government has dedicated $250 million for community organizations to promote vaccinations, make appointments, and provide transportation.

He cited examples such as holding conversations with small groups of people in minority communities in St. Louis and asking Rhode Island churches to contact community members and offer them rides to vaccination sites. He also noted a global Hindu American organization has turned temples into vaccination centers, making it easier for elderly members to get shots in a familiar setting. The Indianapolis Motor Speedway has added a vaccination site in which people can get their shots in a Formula 1 garage near the race tunnels.

The Biden administration announced this week, if states do not order all the vaccine they have been allotted, the administration will shift the surplus to meet demand in other states.

In another sign of the burgeoning national surplus, Biden announced last week his administration would share the nation's entire stock of AstraZeneca doses with the world once it clears safety reviews.

The huge supply and dwindling demand has highlighted the vast inequalities during the pandemic, with countries like India buckling under a disastrous surge of the virus and other nations having no doses at all. At the same time, wealthy countries like the U.S. are awash in vaccine, and seeing cases and deaths plunge as a result.

The federal government allocates vaccines to each state based on their population size, and then it is up to the states to decide how many doses they want to order every week. Early on, states routinely asked for the full allocation — and were clamoring for more shots — but now they are scaling back requests.

Wisconsin officials have asked for just 8% of the 162,680 doses the federal government had set aside for the state next week. Julie Willems Van Dijk, the state health department's deputy secretary, acknowledged earlier demand is softening and vaccinators are drawing down existing inventories before ordering more doses.

In Iowa, officials have asked the federal government for 29% of that state's allocated doses next week. Kansas officials asked for less than 9% of their 162,000-dose allotment this past week. Counties have been turning down doses as demand plummets, leaving the state with a stockpile of almost 647,000 doses.

Melaney Arnold, a spokeswoman for the Illinois Department of Public Health, said the state has 5 weeks' worth of doses on hand. Last week, state officials for the first time requested fewer doses than allotted because of declining demand. The state plans to request just 9% of its allotted doses for everywhere but Chicago for next week.

Connecticut has requested 26% of its allotment for next week. South Carolina plans to order 21% of its doses.

North Carolina has scaled back its request for the past week by 40%. Washington state also cut its order by about 40% this week, the first time the state's order has been smaller than its allocation.

Not everyone is dialing back. Maryland and Colorado are still ordering their full amount. So is New York City. The average number of daily shots in the nation's largest city has dropped about 40% since peaking at more than 95,000 in mid-April, but city officials want a steady supply of doses to create more shots at doctor's offices, neighborhood pharmacies and other small providers, hoping to appeal to people who have skipped mass vaccination sites.

"We've got the demand to keep using our supply effectively," Mayor Bill de Blasio said.

Health experts have generally said about 70% of the nation's population would need to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity. The Biden administration wants to get 70% of adult Americans vaccinated by July 4, but has acknowledged the downward trend in vaccinations and the challenge to win over people who doubt the vaccine's effectiveness or simply do not want to get shots.

The president announced Tuesday that federal officials will expand smaller and mobile vaccination clinics for hard-to-reach communities and push education campaigns. He also has touted incentive programs, such as discounts for shoppers who get vaccinated at grocery stores.

North Carolina health officials are considering paying younger people to get shots. West Virginia has announced people between the ages of 16 and 35 will be eligible for a $100 savings bond if they get the vaccine or have gotten it. Detroit officials started a program Monday to pay people $50 for every city resident they sign up for a first dose and bring in for an appointment.
Dr. Joshua Sharfstein, vice dean for public health practice and community engagement at Johns Hopkins University, said he was not "despairing" over the slowing of demand.

"Herd immunity is not necessarily a moment when the music plays and the sun shines," he said. "It is about how easy it is for the virus to pass around in a community, and I think there is a lot more progress to be made. People who think, 'Well, we are done with the large stadiums, so that is it, we are not going to vaccinate any more people' are wrong. You can vaccinate a lot of people if you make it convenient for them, if you get it to their doctor's offices, if you answer their questions. But it is going to take a different type of effort to do it.
“Overwhelming”? Never said that. I said there are still many people who want the vaccine who haven’t yet received it. Demand will naturally decline as people who have already been vaccinated won’t be part of the demand until the booster comes out. Far be it from you to think something through.

If you want this ******* thing to end, why are you seemingly rooting against demand for vaccination? Talk about not wanting to leave lockdown and being a science denier! If everyone was like your selfish, hesitant ***, this country would be exactly where it was in December. Again, far be it from you to think something through.
 
MAGA douchebag DeSantis is doing a bang up job down in Florida, that's for sure. Stay vigilante, folks!


Variant COVID-19 infections skyrocketed following spring break in Florida and there have been more than 10,000 variant cases reported throughout the state, the South Florida Sun Sentinel reported based on data from the Florida Department of Health.

A total of 753 variant cases from three strains -- the B.1.1.7, the P.1, and the B. 1.3.5.1. -- were reported on March 14, according to variant infection data shared with ABC News. The Florida Department of Health does not disclose variant cases on its public dashboard.


That number swelled to 5,177 cases from five types of variants on April 15. Just two weeks later, the number of variant infections exploded to 9,248 on April 27, according to local ABC affiliate , WFTV.

The surge falls in line with mid-March into April spring break celebrations, when college students and vacationers flock to the sunshine state.

Florida is home to the most variant COVID-19 cases in the country. State health officials reported more than 11,800 cases of COVID-19 variants on Wednesday, according to the Sun Sentinel.

.../...

Now doctors are warning the public to stay vigilant and get vaccinated to prevent cases from going back up.

Dr. Bernard Ashby, a Miami-based cardiologist who has worked in the front lines of the pandemic, is warning of the dangers of the variants, especially in populous areas.

"If you look at the county breakdown, Miami-Dade leads the state in the variants followed by Broward County. And we've led in infections rates in general," Ashby told ABC News. "What's interesting is the degree to much the counties dominated ... [those counties] essentially account for almost 40% of the variants in the state that's out there."

"It's hard to ignore that we are essentially open for business," he said noting DeSantis' lift of COVID-19 restrictions this week. "Now we're seeing this little explosion."
And that doesn’t include all of the cases that left Florida and infected other states, much like all the cases that left Sturgis on the back of Harleys.
 
do you even bother reading what you post?



do you understand what that means?

there is one key word in that entire sentence that should help you.

it's flock

flock, per dictionary.com:



in this instance, it means that college students and vacationers have went to Florida ...

Since I live here, I can assure you that the vast, vast majority of the people who went to the beach in April were NOT from the state of Florida. In living here for 10+ years, Floridians avoid the beaches at that time of year. Why? it's too crowded with the college kids from OUT OF STATE (this is painfully obvious as we see license plates from say, Virginia) who come here to get drunk and show their ***. The water is also too cold for Floridians.

To put this in perspective, you regurgitating this article as troof would be similar to me posting something about where you live and calling it undeniable FACT. I don't do that since facts about what is going on in Hungaria are not relevant to me. Now, since you used to live in the US of A, you do have an interest. I'll give you that much. But, that interest does not mean you have full knowledge of what is going on over here. Even if you read biased articles. Which you clearly do not. Or, if you read them, you do not exercise critical thinking skills - crucial to getting to the middle ground of any article.

as of right now - there have been 2,269,806 Rona Cases in the state of Florida. 35,731 deaths. 1,846,061 recoveries.

per state records, located here --- http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/vaccine/vaccine_report_latest.pdf --- 15,666,774 doses of the vaccine have been distributed. I can ******* assure you that when the roll out happened, there were traffic jam MILES LONG for the shot. 9,265,816 people have been vaccinated.

9,265,816 vaccinated

Florida's population is 21,477,737
recovered from the Rona -1,831,455
again, from here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-cases-daily

that makes 11,097,271 people who have either been vaccinated or have natural antibodies from having the virus. 51.6% of the population.

10,380,466 have not been vaccinated nor developed antibodies that we know of.

per floggy that means that those people are shivering in tremendous fear from the virus creeping up behind them and brutally slaying them before they can blink.

why dont you and floggy step outside of your RonaBubbles and get some fresh air? the world is not ending. people are getting vaccinated as they want to, when they want and how they want. The fear porn you two subscribe to is boiling the oatmeal between your ears.
What the **** does it matter where the people were from? Restrictions and mask mandates apply to states, not people from that state.
 
Troglodyte, I admire your perseverance. At this stage, discussing Covid on this board is like arguing with a damn brick wall. I don't know how you conjur up the energy to keep having these discussions. Kudos to you in any case for trying to get through the thick, impenetrable skulls. (y)
 
“Overwhelming”? Never said that. I said there are still many people who want the vaccine who haven’t yet received it. Demand will naturally decline as people who have already been vaccinated won’t be part of the demand until the booster comes out. Far be it from you to think something through.

If you want this ******* thing to end, why are you seemingly rooting against demand for vaccination? Talk about not wanting to leave lockdown and being a science denier! If everyone was like your selfish, hesitant ***, this country would be exactly where it was in December. Again, far be it from you to think something through.

Hypoflog, your rules are ******* stupid. Can you not see we are all collectively laughing our ***** off at you?

First you say, "when cases are in the hundreds" we can all have our toys back. I shredded that like fine paper. It was a stupid measurable, a stupid goal, and one that is unattainable in the manner you laid it out.

Now we are laughing our collective ***** off at your next foray - when demand stops we can move on.

Cases in hundreds....no more demands.....EQUALS = Masks Forever. Your goal and desire.

Demand for the vaccine will never stop. Unless COVID magically disappears from the planet. You do realize this do you not???

SMDH.
 
And that doesn’t include all of the cases that left Florida and infected other states, much like all the cases that left Sturgis on the back of Harleys.

How many cases of COVID did you bring back to VA when you visited the keys HYPOFlog????

Look at the pretty map HypoFlog. See the chart? See the cases massively down in 23 or 24 states listed? You're literally spreading bullshit at this point. Unsubstantiated, misinformation. Cases dropping everywhere, including Florida, and you, Tibor and ABC keep essentially lying and cheering this thing on because....as the article describes you all....you can't let this go, it's ideology and it's political.

PREACH THAT FEAR PORN THOUGH CORONABRO!!
 
Tim denies the science behind masks and restrictions and doesn’t trust the science behind the vaccines, but accuses us as being science deniers. Interesting.

No, accurate. Each of my opinions, which you think is waffling, is based on science. I heard a beautiful comment the other day. A talking head said that he believed the biggest loser after COVID is over will be science. No one any longer believes politicians when they say "follow the science" due to the lies, the waffling, and the exposure of so many of these bogus claims. Public faith in science is shot.

Science is not making a declaration, saying it is so, then moving on as if it is an edict. If science worked that way, the earth would still be flat. We live in a new world where, over the past year, mandates and recommendations were made that have all been exposed - masks, social distancing, locking down in the most dangerous place you can be (home) and notions like COVID can be transported on your shoe bottoms, via farts, can live on cardboard for up to 15 days, then 5 days, then not at all.

The science on everything-COVID is evolving. You and Tibs and Liberals who "can't let the lockdowns go" are still stuck on the earth is flat. On old, dated, and proven-wrong ideology that you still claim is science.

Everything I have followed is based on the evolution of our knowledge and the evolution of the science.

Masks: Assumptions were made that since mask wearing can reduce spread of some diseases, it would work for COVID. It didn't. I've posted untold numbers of scientific articles (24 in one post) that demonstrably show this to be the case. Masks prevent droplet spread, not aerosols. The latter is how it is predominantly spread human to human.

Lockdowns/restrictions: This just last week was destroyed by scientists. MIT showed the majority of cases are caught at home and you are safer in public, at work, with more ventilation. Also destroyed a couple weeks ago (by scientists) was this notion of 6 feet of social distancing. This idea, a kid's science fair project no less, didn't work because of the way the aerosols spread with COVID. The conclusion - you're at equal risk at 60 feet as you are at 6 and standing 6 feet of part did literally, absolutely, utterly nothing.

Science behind the vaccines: You're correct, I don't yet trust the science behind the existing vaccines. That's a scientific approach. Mankind is the current guinea pig and there is both a control group and a test group right now out there. Also, these aren't FDA approved (you know the scientific process via which all drugs are brought to market). I'm waiting for a vaccine that is engineered more in line with traditional vaccines.

You and Tibs, et al, are science deniers. Any new science - be it from MIT or other - you deny. Simple. Why? Because you refuse to be told the earth is flat. You refuse to accept new learnings that come out every day that show....our approach was flawed, badly in some areas.

I'll stick with educating myself on the science as it comes forward. You all will continue to deny anything that is reported that says your religion is bunk.
 
Troglodyte, I admire your perseverance. At this stage, discussing Covid on this board is like arguing with a damn brick wall. I don't know how you conjur up the energy to keep having these discussions. Kudos to you in any case for trying to get through the thick, impenetrable skulls. (y)
Most of it is to amuse myself and see if I can predict how they’ll respond.
 
What the **** does it matter where the people were from? Restrictions and mask mandates apply to states, not people from that state.

Tibs posted bullshit fear porn from ABC that would lead the average viewer to believe FL is a hotbed for COVID. It's not, their cases are down 24% over two weeks.

You then, trying to support this lying fear porn by saying "Well it's still bad, all these college students are going back to their homes all over the country!!"

Using your impeccable knowledge and logic, we should therefore see cases rising all over the country, especially those states where those kids came from ammmiiirrittte?

Here you go HypoFlog, updated today May 10 by the NEW YORK TIMES:

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Holy **** we are getting crushed!!! Wait, you and Tibs can't read maps. Let's look at the updated charts again:

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7 states out of 50 have an increase in cases over 14 days. SEVEN. Every other state has seen a drop in cases over 14 days.

HypoFlog: Just you wait, all those spring breakers are going to spread COVID and we are all going to die again!!!

PS....my son was in Fort Lauderdale. He's been back now for 4 weeks. I guess we should have seen an uptick by now, yes?
 
More people in the know saying it's time to abolish mask mandates. Tibs and HypoFlog will be along to say Gottlieb is a science denier, the science is settled, and we should in fact move to iron masks that are welded upon human's heads.

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In a welcomed Mother’s Day gift on Sunday’s Face the Nation, former FDA commissioner and Pfizer board member Dr. Scott Gottlieb called for the end of outdoor and INDOOR mask mandates in a “wholesale fashion” since the country was well on its way to getting over the COVID pandemic. He argued that “the public has to trust that public health officials are going to lift these restrictions as quickly as they put them in place as the conditions improve” as a way to “maintain our integrity.”

Interestingly, Gottlieb was teed up to deliver his message by fill-in CBS moderator John Dickerson. “Every time we talk, we talk about where things are and then you kind of tell us where things are going to be,” Dickerson prefaced. “Your feeling now about maybe changing those mandates for indoor masks. You think they should be lifted do you?”

Noting that “COVID won't disappear” and “we're going to have to learn to live with it,” Gottlieb pointed out the fact that “the risk is substantially reduced as a result of vaccination, as a result of immunity that people have required there prior infection.”

And from there, he announced: “I think we’re at a point in time where we can start lifting these ordinances in a wholesale fashion. And people have to take precautions based on their individual risk.”
 
Can you not see we are all collectively laughing our ***** off at you?

Now we are laughing our collective ***** off

You don't realize, do you, the fact you're 'laughing your collective ***** off' about something - about anything, really - is all the assurance Trog and I need to know we're exactly right about a particular issue.

When we lower ourselves with a grappling hook & rope into a deep, dark, murky, rancid MAGA echochamber such as this, the fact our views and opinions are met with derision, disdain and mockery simply reassures us that all is well in the world and that we're standing on the right side of history.

And as we hoist ourselves up out of this dark, seedy, sordid cave and return to a world of reason, intelligence, compassion, fresh air and sunshine, we feel bad for all of you stuck in this MAGA hellhole, full of deception & lies, which haunt your days & nights.

Maybe someday, some of you will clear the muck from your eyes and stagger out of this alt-right bubble and rejoin the rest of civilized society. Not all of you, but some of you. I await that day with giddy anticipation.
 
Hypoflog, your rules are ******* stupid. Can you not see we are all collectively laughing our ***** off at you?

First you say, "when cases are in the hundreds" we can all have our toys back. I shredded that like fine paper. It was a stupid measurable, a stupid goal, and one that is unattainable in the manner you laid it out.

Now we are laughing our collective ***** off at your next foray - when demand stops we can move on.

Cases in hundreds....no more demands.....EQUALS = Masks Forever. Your goal and desire.

Demand for the vaccine will never stop. Unless COVID magically disappears from the planet. You do realize this do you not???

SMDH.
Nope. Wolf says mask go away when PA hits 70% vaccination. I’ll ditch mine in a few months regardless. If you’re not vaccinated by then, it’s on you, **** you and your family.

You “shredded it” but are too much of a ***** to give your own estimate of how low cases will get (as you do nothing to help the cause).

Covid could linger and mutate for decades because of anti-vaxxers and hesitant *******. Like David Brooks wrote in his column today “It’s not like we’re asking you to storm the beaches of Iwo Jima”.
 
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How many cases of COVID did you bring back to VA when you visited the keys HYPOFlog????

Look at the pretty map HypoFlog. See the chart? See the cases massively down in 23 or 24 states listed? You're literally spreading bullshit at this point. Unsubstantiated, misinformation. Cases dropping everywhere, including Florida, and you, Tibor and ABC keep essentially lying and cheering this thing on because....as the article describes you all....you can't let this go, it's ideology and it's political.

PREACH THAT FEAR PORN THOUGH CORONABRO!!
I’m vaccinated and worse a mask around others and I haven’t lived in Virginia in almost 20 years.

How is getting vaccinated “cheering this thing on”, Mr. HesitantandNOTVACCINATED?

So cases are dropping everywhere but not for long or not much more? Certainly not down to hundreds/day. WTF? Where do you stand?
 
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