If I told you that many adverse events happened in the NBA would you need to know how many are vaxed?
If I told you that many adverse events happened in the NFL would you need to know how many are vaxed?
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If I told you that many adverse events happened in the NBA would you need to know how many are vaxed?
If I told you that many adverse events happened in the NFL would you need to know how many are vaxed?
No idea.
You do know that Eriksen became known for not being vaxed....because everyone else is? Like Aaron Rodgers here. Or Kyrie Irving.
Professional sports leagues the world over are massively vaccinated.
You are often pretty level headed and objective. Since getting the jab however, your history in this thread has been to justify/explain away every vaccine injury, vaccine anomaly, vaccine-negative-news as non-news, normal, expected. On any other similar topic, you'd have looked at the following and said "Yeah, that's not normal."
Yet you've seen this before and offered the "causality" argument (forgetting the causality argument existed in 1990, 1995, 2000, etc as well).
VAERS Reported Deaths - All Vaccines Combined:
1990 - 80
1995 - 158
2000 - 212
2005 - 215
2010 - 319
2015 - 377
2019 - 605 (highest ever until....)
2020 - 420
2021 - 18,797
A 3,007% increase.
This is NOT normal OFTB. The FDA has pulled vaccines before when 20 people were rumored to have been killed.
Despite all the cases people present here, their own personal experience, the data being provided around the world, your answer is just "this is normal, kids die, none of this can be proven, don't you think the CDC is looking into this?" Not one comment in the thread questioning anything about these shots. Just full on support.
Really odd. Even as adamant as I've been against the vaccines, I have admitted numerous times they are partially effective in that they do lessen severe illness/death.
How do you have no concerns for these vaccines and how do you dismiss everything negative about them?
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It's laughable that you say I have not said anything but positive things about the vaccines. That's just patently false. I've even said that knowing what I know now I would not have gotten my previously infected teen son vaccinated, because given his miniscule risk from covid and the very small risk of myocarditis from the vaccine, it doesn't make sense. I don't agree with mandates largely because for some people the risk benefit analysis doesn't work (among other reasons). You only hear what you want to hear I guess.
I accept PROVEN adverse effects as real. I don't accept dubious conspiracy theories or gatherings of terrible things that happened to people as being caused by vaccines without evidence.
I'm done beating my head against the VAERS data wall with you. We've been over and over it. VAERS reports at best are incidents that happened to people after getting a vaccine, with no causal link established whatsoever. At worst they aren't even accurate because anyone can make them. That is why they are used as an investigational tool, and when a causal link is established we are informed. As we have been about the small increases in risks in clotting and myocarditis.
I have explained to you the numerous reasons for the increase in VAERS reports but you would prefer to believe that the CDC and FDA are just lying to us and hiding the real data. Because they don't care how many people die as long as they can enrich Pfizer and Moderna. If that's what you want to believe I won't change your mind. There are numerous explanations all over the internet of why this phenomenon is occurring, but you will dismiss them as lies I know so I don't bother.
The fact remains that the vaccines are statistically very safe, they significantly reduce people's chances of being hospitalized and dying from an extremely contagious virus. Misinformation is literally killing people. That's a shame.
But on the contrary - because this is your perspective and POV - you "appear" (and I know you're not IRL) to be dismissive of the other end.
Here's what bothers me a lot.
Having my kid call me and tell me he can't move his legs. <--- he didn't need the shot, was forced/mandated to.
Hearing my neighbor died 2 days after getting the jab.
My sister being hospitalized with pericarditis-like-symptoms after her Moderna shots weeks after dose 2 made her violently ill. <--- <--- she didn't need the shot
You've known someone who died because they didn't get the shot and it bothered you. I knew someone who died because they did get the shot and it bothered me.
You'll counter - how do you know the shot killed him? And I'll counter, how do you know Covid killed the person you knew and it wasn't a comorbidity? People die every day.
We need middle ground and understanding on both ends.
There is a long track record of exactly that
Pfizer about a decade ago was nailed for lying about various meds and was fined almost a billion dollars… witch was a record fine until merck got caught fudging clinical trial data back in the 90’s over heart medication that often caused heart attacks… they were fined over a billion and settled for billions more with the ridiculous number of people that had heart attacks on their meds… some estimates had like 50g deaths in the years the meds were out… however doing the math of how much tgey sold, they still cleared billions in profits from it when it was all said and done…
They had memos about the problem and everything… they knew, they lied, people died, and its actually quite common… there are dozens of lesser examples… probably hundreds, the pharm companies get sued a lot.. and profits absolutely trump safety or honesty.. because even with all the penalties they still make money and there isn’t any lasting punishment
That's not saying something negative about the vaccines OFTB.
That's also not saying something negative about the vaccines. I have heard you say this endless times and know you are against them.
We know. So too were the events in 1990, 1995, 1997, etc, and so on. They ALL lack causality. That means the data is all comparable. Everything there is a "Reported Adverse" event, not a "Proven" one. Therefore you can compare all "Reported" events.
Why are there 3,007% MORE reported events this year than the highest year ever? You just dismiss it.
Anyone could make them in 1990, 1995, 1997, etc. as well. What also makes VAERS bad is data is omitted. Hospitals preventing nurses/doctors from reporting, doctors refusing to report. We would all benefit from the 90% of data missing.
And I don't buy those arguments. You posited a theory I don't agree with that you do.
I don't support that theory. As I've said to you 2 or 3 times (you continue to confuse me with others banging the pharma drum), I don't support this is about making pharma rich.
As you dismiss every adverse event? I mean a girl puts up a video in a hospital bed and your knee-jerk is to say "it's bullshit."
As is suffering from Covid for most.
I have agreed with this. Just not to the degree they should be. J&J doesn't even meet FDA minimum standards right now.
So sorry for your loss Vader. Prayers for you until you meet her again.
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A causal link, by the way, isn't that hard to establish. It's something that happens more often in a vaccinated population than it done in an unvaccinated one. People die every minute, hour, day and week. The fact that some of them die after getting a vaccine is not proof that the vaccine caused their death. If they die at higher rates than similar populations after getting the vaccine, then it's something that indicates a causal link.
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I don't know where you're getting that I am dismissive of your concerns, or don't understand a middle ground. I do. We simply have a fundamental difference when it comes to the background ideology of whether there is some grand conspiracy in the scientific community to deceive us. If you believe that, you see everything through that lens. I do not believe that (though I do believe the left is attempting to use this crisis to its advantage) and so I see everything through that lens. You are as dismissive of my points as you think I am of yours.
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Acknowledging that there are proven adverse effects? Saying that for some people the risks probably outweigh the benefits?
Anyway time for football. Go Steelers!
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A TikTok video of a nameless girl in a nameless hospital who claims they found clots all over her legs and lungs (which is a life-threatening emergency) and they sent her home and told her to return if she feels worse. This is what I'm supposed to take as a serious report of an adverse vaccine reaction?
See, I don't think there is some grand conspiracy. What I know is what we are going through is not normal and has never happened before and what is happening doesn't add up or make an iota of sense. I do know the following to be facts...
- These vaccines were not properly developed/tested. That's a fact some will debate, but they were not. We are the trial.
- We are not getting all of the vaccine injury data
- The vaccines, compared to their peers, are incredibly ineffective. Some have fallen below FDA minimum standards.
- Natural immunity is being utterly dismissed by those in control. Wholly.
- The vaccines are being mandated for everyone - including those who literally don't need them (the young, the previously infected)
- Data we have been fed on Covid deaths, vaccine effectiveness, vaccine injuries has in fact without question been manipulated over and over again.
If they weren't being mandated, most of us would be less vocal. But when you mandate vaccines that are more dangerous than their predecessors and far less effective...you can't help but wonder why. What is the motivation?
I don't know. I don't know what the motivation is. Others theorize its to enrich pharma. Others that it's to chip people. Others that it's to cull the population.
I don't believe any of those. But I also know, there is some grand motivation beyond getting rid of a pandemic. Because, and point blank, IF those in charge truly wanted to end the pandemic, they would be doing the following:
- Acknowledging natural immunity and how to leverage it
- Providing therapeutic treatments and experimenting with them instead of dismissing everything that is not a vaccine
- Enabling monoclonal antibody treatments universally (we rolled out testing and vaccines rapidly but won't put the same efforts into these therapeutics)
Does that make sense to anyone?
Sure doesn't to me. Read Mad's post about his experience in the hospital. Pretty telling.
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I acknowledge not everything makes sense. You guys don't acknowledge that there is a WHOLE lot of misinformation and distortion going on on the other side.
Sorry for your loss Vader.
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Sorry to hear this man. Covid has taken from everyone it seems, and some have had everything taken. I hope you somehow find peace. Again, I'm sorry for your loss.
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While I'm sure it will be discounted due to being in WAPO, this article does a good job of explaining what statistics mean, what they don't mean, and how they get distorted. For those who are interested.
There's a lot of misinformation on both sides. To be fair.
OK this is troubling. For those who have had Covid and those who have had the Vaccines. I watched the entire video. Yes I looked these guys up, yes people will try to discredit them. Take the time to watch their interpretation of the real meat. The study from Sweden. Don't like what they have to say? Read the study, ask a doctor or someone you trust to interpret it for you...
Essentially they say that the spike proteins prevent our body's natural mechanisms (BRCA1 and 53BP1) that lead to repair of DNA strands when damaged. Especially the 53BP1. Which leaves our immune systems damaged and leads to a host of problems, like cancers, etc.
Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS–CoV–2) has led to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID–19) pandemic, severely affecting public health and the global economy. Adaptive immunity plays a crucial role in fighting against SARS–CoV–2 infection and directly influences the clinical outcomes of patients. Clinical studies have indicated that patients with severe COVID–19 exhibit delayed and weak adaptive immune responses; however, the mechanism by which SARS–CoV–2 impedes adaptive immunity remains unclear. Here, by using an in vitro cell line, we report that the SARS–CoV–2 spike protein significantly inhibits DNA damage repair, which is required for effective V(D)J recombination in adaptive immunity. Mechanistically, we found that the spike protein localizes in the nucleus and inhibits DNA damage repair by impeding key DNA repair protein BRCA1 and 53BP1 recruitment to the damage site. Our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism by which the spike protein might impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length spike-based vaccines.
Watch the video for "their" interpretation.
Video--->. https://seed177.bitchute.com/kPXPMdbcFGYk/dMgSa00zQ2Qm.mp4?_=2 <----VIDEO
www.mdpi.com
Essentially they say that the spike proteins prevent our body's natural mechanisms (BRCA1 and 53BP1) that lead to repair of DNA strands when damaged. Especially the 53BP1. Which leaves our immune systems damaged and leads to a host of problems, like cancers, etc.
Covid Spike Protein DRAMATICALLY Impairs Cell DNA Damage Repair
Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS–CoV–2) has led to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID–19) pandemic, severely affecting public health and the global economy. Adaptive immunity plays a crucial role in fighting against SARS–CoV–2 infection and directly influences the clinical outcomes of patients. Clinical studies have indicated that patients with severe COVID–19 exhibit delayed and weak adaptive immune responses; however, the mechanism by which SARS–CoV–2 impedes adaptive immunity remains unclear. Here, by using an in vitro cell line, we report that the SARS–CoV–2 spike protein significantly inhibits DNA damage repair, which is required for effective V(D)J recombination in adaptive immunity. Mechanistically, we found that the spike protein localizes in the nucleus and inhibits DNA damage repair by impeding key DNA repair protein BRCA1 and 53BP1 recruitment to the damage site. Our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism by which the spike protein might impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length spike-based vaccines.
Watch the video for "their" interpretation.
Video--->. https://seed177.bitchute.com/kPXPMdbcFGYk/dMgSa00zQ2Qm.mp4?_=2 <----VIDEO
SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro
Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS–CoV–2) has led to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID–19) pandemic, severely affecting public health and the global economy. Adaptive immunity plays a crucial role in fighting against SARS–CoV–2 infection and directly influences the clinical...
And to be even more fair, one side is made up of a good majority of conspiracy nuts - but the other side is taking our tax dollars, not being transparent on just about everything, and are mandating we all (including children) take the shot under the guise of health and safety.
Big ******* difference.
Well this is just normal isn't it?
Anyone Unvaccinated over the age of 12 is not allowed to leave their home except for “essential” reasons such as grocery shopping. There is no longer an option to present a negative test.
Vaccination or lockdown.
People who have not been fully vaccinated against Covid will only be allowed to leave their homes for specific purposes, like going to a doctor, getting groceries, going to work — or getting vaccinated.
There will be random checks to ensure compliance. Austrian Health Minister Wolfgang Mueckstein said the government would also introduce a vaccine requirement for people working in the health care industry
Austria locks down (only) the Unvaccinated
Anyone Unvaccinated over the age of 12 is not allowed to leave their home except for “essential” reasons such as grocery shopping. There is no longer an option to present a negative test.
Vaccination or lockdown.
People who have not been fully vaccinated against Covid will only be allowed to leave their homes for specific purposes, like going to a doctor, getting groceries, going to work — or getting vaccinated.
There will be random checks to ensure compliance. Austrian Health Minister Wolfgang Mueckstein said the government would also introduce a vaccine requirement for people working in the health care industry
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It is concerning, although I don't fully understand the implications.OK this is troubling. For those who have had Covid and those who have had the Vaccines. I watched the entire video. Yes I looked these guys up, yes people will try to discredit them. Take the time to watch their interpretation of the real meat. The study from Sweden. Don't like what they have to say? Read the study, ask a doctor or someone you trust to interpret it for you...
Essentially they say that the spike proteins prevent our body's natural mechanisms (BRCA1 and 53BP1) that lead to repair of DNA strands when damaged. Especially the 53BP1. Which leaves our immune systems damaged and leads to a host of problems, like cancers, etc.
Covid Spike Protein DRAMATICALLY Impairs Cell DNA Damage Repair
Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS–CoV–2) has led to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID–19) pandemic, severely affecting public health and the global economy. Adaptive immunity plays a crucial role in fighting against SARS–CoV–2 infection and directly influences the clinical outcomes of patients. Clinical studies have indicated that patients with severe COVID–19 exhibit delayed and weak adaptive immune responses; however, the mechanism by which SARS–CoV–2 impedes adaptive immunity remains unclear. Here, by using an in vitro cell line, we report that the SARS–CoV–2 spike protein significantly inhibits DNA damage repair, which is required for effective V(D)J recombination in adaptive immunity. Mechanistically, we found that the spike protein localizes in the nucleus and inhibits DNA damage repair by impeding key DNA repair protein BRCA1 and 53BP1 recruitment to the damage site. Our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism by which the spike protein might impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length spike-based vaccines.
Watch the video for "their" interpretation.
Video--->. https://seed177.bitchute.com/kPXPMdbcFGYk/dMgSa00zQ2Qm.mp4?_=2 <----VIDEO
SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro
Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS–CoV–2) has led to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID–19) pandemic, severely affecting public health and the global economy. Adaptive immunity plays a crucial role in fighting against SARS–CoV–2 infection and directly influences the clinical...
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If confirmed to actually cause problems like cancer etc. we're all ****** because everyone's more than likely going to get covid eventually.
If what they are saying is true, the Covid spike proteins and the vaccine-induced ones lead to this problem and yep we are all ******. Cuz everyone's gonna have Covid at some point or another.
It's a real study and all that. If you want to read the link to it.
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I read it. It's a bit over my head and I'm not sure it's quite reaching the conclusions these guys are trying to claim it is, but I guess one day we'll find out.
If it's admittedly over your head, how are you saying you're not sure it's reaching the conclusions they say it is? Bit odd.