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6th Mass Extinction Kicks Off

The bright side of an extinction would be it would finally prove God doesn't exist. Well, at least until human life returns and someone writes a new Bible.

I hope the new Bible has a happier ending. Wish I could read it.

They'll just say that the last time around was some kind of punishment, but 'now we have a new, new covenant' and proceed to engage in the same economic growth insanity. You can't fix stupid.
 
They'll just say that the last time around was some kind of punishment, but 'now we have a new, new covenant' and proceed to engage in the same economic growth insanity. You can't fix stupid.

Yea, just like it was 10 times then it was 100 times then it was at least 1000 times and COULD be 10,000... Yup can't fix stupid and obviously nobody can do math very well either. But instead of a new covenant now it's a New theory. That one doesn't work out **** it... I said it could be 10000000000000000000 times as fast.. no evidence just bullshit.
 
Pick up the Bible we already have. It tells how things are going to end. Things in the middle east are playing out exactly like the Bible predicts.

Funny how it's playing out just like the Koran says too............


"The future is not set, there is no fate but what we make for ourselves."-- Irish proverb
 
Yea, just like it was 10 times then it was 100 times then it was at least 1000 times and COULD be 10,000... Yup can't fix stupid and obviously nobody can do math very well either. But instead of a new covenant now it's a New theory. That one doesn't work out **** it... I said it could be 10000000000000000000 times as fast.. no evidence just bullshit.

Yes just like it was 'everything revolves around the earth' then 'everything revolves around the sun' then ' everything revolves around a black hole in the center of our galaxy'

That's how knowledge progresses. It doesn't mean it's some kind of deception, what the hell is wrong with you people? I mean really, not as a joke, but really? Is it bad public school education, is it fear of the truth, or a combination of those?
 
Yes just like it was 'everything revolves around the earth' then 'everything revolves around the sun' then ' everything revolves around a black hole in the center of our galaxy'

That's how knowledge progresses. It doesn't mean it's some kind of deception, what the hell is wrong with you people? I mean really, not as a joke, but really? Is it bad public school education, is it fear of the truth, or a combination of those?

So you think it is ok for scientist to say things they have absolutely no proof for? There isn't ONE scientific proof for 10,000 times the number disappearing. It's political bullshit. It has nothing to do with knowledge progressing. It's either right or wrong. When using mathematical projections you need evidence NOT speculation. This is just speculation NOT science. And brining up theories to try to correlate them is just ignorant. They are proposing a new paradigm. They are out right lying about numbers they don't have. Anyone that has ever taken statistics knows that numbers that range from 10 to 10,000 is ******* unbelievable. It means they have no idea what they are talking about.
 
Yeah, I never quoted nor do I claim to use McPherson as a source for anything , I merely liked the denier quote and put it in my sig.

Wait, come again? LMAO...in one sentence, you fully contradicted yourself...not surprisingly.

As far as UFO's or Bigfoot and any other such nonsense; it's conservatives who tend to believe in stuff like that, you know since most of them already believe in devils, angels, hippies that do magic tricks. Crap like that.

I always love your blanket generalizations that are baseless. Like the Republicans are rich and the Democrats are poor, the intelligent are Democrats, all whites hate blacks, and all Conservatives are racist.

"kneeling and worshiping at the feet of nut jobs like McPherson" REALLY? I'll remind you of that next time one of you post something from Watts(which should be in about 3 minutes).

Challenge: Find me quoting Watts...anywhere.

In the end, you're just another shill trying to sell a scam, one aimed at making the rich richer. You will fight until you have your Carbon Tax. Thank God Australia woke up.
 
Wait, come again? LMAO...in one sentence, you fully contradicted yourself...not surprisingly.



I always love your blanket generalizations that are baseless. Like the Republicans are rich and the Democrats are poor, the intelligent are Democrats, all whites hate blacks, and all Conservatives are racist.



Challenge: Find me quoting Watts...anywhere.

In the end, you're just another shill trying to sell a scam, one aimed at making the rich richer. You will fight until you have your Carbon Tax. Thank God Australia woke up.

I should have known I'd have to include the minutiae for you. I never have quoted him for anything having to do with the science of AGW, I just like the quote.

The generalizations you speak of, I have never made.... now if you were to hold up a mirror.

However, this below covers not rich and not intelligent as far as Republicans go. The party of useful idiots for the rich.

"Keep your government hands off my Medicare."



Oh and I'm not a shill for anything, just came to bear witness to the truth.
 
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Yes just like it was 'everything revolves around the earth' then 'everything revolves around the sun' then ' everything revolves around a black hole in the center of our galaxy'

That's how knowledge progresses. It doesn't mean it's some kind of deception, what the hell is wrong with you people? I mean really, not as a joke, but really? Is it bad public school education, is it fear of the truth, or a combination of those?

I have a feeling that in 1,000 years when kids are learning about silly things like how in ancient times everyone thought the earth was flat, a chubby little kid in the back row will raise his hand and say "Ms. Thompson, my daddy said that around the year 2000 they were saying the polar ice caps would melt and the sea level would overtake all low lying land, is that true? How could people that put the first man on the moon and invented the computer believe something even dumber than the earth being flat?"
 
The irony is I used to dismiss McPherson as a doomsayer, the problem is, even though he is an outlier and was/is taking the almost worst case scenario, he is right. I don't agree with him that we'll all be dead in 22 years though.

I read that blog months ago and the problem with the author (who is a geologist) is that he is depending on climate science studies conservatism to be dead on. I don't know if he realizes it or not, but the models and hence part of the study methodology does not include feedbacks, the studies WAY underestimate the time scales for tipping points.

McPherson is living a life in tune with the planet as much as he can, That is a noble pursuit. Yes, I've known about McPherson for several years as far as his lectures and that he walked away from U of A.

The study didn't come from the Huff Post, it came from Duke University. One would think you would be able to discern the difference, but I put nothing past you guys in terms of shadiness in the defense of your indefensible position, or just plain ignorance.

The chair of the IPCC has degrees in railroad engineering, and economics. Little fun fact for you.

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The chair of the IPCC has degrees in railroad engineering, and economics. Little fun fact for you.

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Considering that he is trying to railroad the world's economy into a pit, not to surprising.
 
The chair of the IPCC has degrees in railroad engineering, and economics. Little fun fact for you.

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That rings a bell. A professor in 3rd year "Developmental Economics" was a huge "railways are more economically efficient" guy who proposed banning transport trucks because of the damage they did to roads (apparently road damage is proportional to 10 to the 4th power* of axle weight).

The prof was a monstrous statist/socialist specializing in messing up Brazil's transportation sytem....he absolutely hated the US interstate....just crazed, faith-based economic bs because he didn't have proper cost/benefit analysis (bane of all economic analysis).

*Elfie, since this is too difficult for you, just assume a number between 1 and 100,000.
 
The chair of the IPCC has degrees in railroad engineering, and economics. Little fun fact for you.

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Actually he attended the Indian Railways Institute of Mechanical and Electrical Engineering. He has an MS in industrial engineering from North Carolina state, along with a PhD with co-majors in Industrial Engineering and Economics from that same school.

His thesis was titled: A dynamic model for forecasting of electrical energy demand in a specific region located in North and South Carolina.

That's exactly the type of person you want to run this show; an engineer with an understanding of economics. NOT a climate scientist. Someone with his qualifications will understand the technical hurdles as well as economic impacts of mitigation.

As a side note have you ever read Anthony Watts high school essay; How I'll bullshit right wing morons into believing I know what I'm talking about when it comes to climate science...(or any science for that matter) as I enjoy my Heartland money.

Nice job trying to make it seem like he was this guy......you guys....lol

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When you're right you're right. If my goal was wealth re-distribution the guy I'd put in charge would know the **** out of economics.
 
No your question should be are you stupid enough to believe stats that range from 1000 to 10,000 times without ANY EVIDENCE. Show me the evidence of 10,000 times faster. They can't show it so they "believe" it. It's bullshit. Those type of ranges are ridiculous. They started at 10 and within a couple of years went from that to 1000 OR 10,000 of course they aren't sure which because their data sets are bullshit. Just like your stupid "head in the sand" ****. Go back to the sandbox little boy and let the adults do the talking.

Are you people actually this dumb, or is it an act? It has to be an act..has to be. You think that a respected scientist from Duke U. just makes up ****? He, along with his colleagues do these studies, write a paper, and in the process they have no evidence they're just guessing? This study was started in 1995 and uses DNA to track changes in populations and the disappearance of species.

Like I said in an earlier post not all species have been accounted for but with their understanding of certain species sensitivity to abrupt habitat changes it's easy to extrapolate the consequences for those other species, that's how they get the higher rate 'guesstimate'.

Even at the confirmed lower rate if you were to ascribe that rate to all species, we are in deep ****. If you can't see that then I can see my question answered, it's not an act.

Unbelievable............

http://cmbc.ucsd.edu/content/1/docs/Pimm_et_al_1995.pdf
 
When you're right you're right. If my goal was wealth re-distribution the guy I'd put in charge would know the **** out of economics.

Yes ...it's a world wide plot of course......I'm glad you caught on, and that you are preparing.

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Yes ...it's a world wide plot of course......I'm glad you caught on, and that you are preparing.

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(EDENHOFER): Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet - and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 - there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.

(NZZ): De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...-we-redistribute-worlds-wealth-climate-policy
 
(EDENHOFER): Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet - and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 - there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.

(NZZ): De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...-we-redistribute-worlds-wealth-climate-policy

You guys just can't stay away from Watts or his lackeys can you? And you learn nothing, that's the saddest part you would think by now after so many burns from me shoving your hands in the flame of Watts phony stove, you would stay away from the kitchen. Nope.

That statement is taken out of context. Do you actually believe that one of the brilliant evil doers of the U.N/Agenda 21/ IHOP/Arby's conspiracy to redistribute wealth would ADMIT IT?

Here is the real translation with the line that Watts people twisted for their own AGENDA STUPID....untwisted.

NZZ: De facto that is an expropriation from the countries that have the reserves. That will lead to a completely different developmental policy than has up till now been the case.

OE: Up till now it is the industrial countries that have seized the atmosphere from the global community. But it has to be clearly stated: Climate policy will de facto redistribute the world's economic wealth. That the holders of coal and oil reserves are not exactly pleased with this is obvious. We have to free ourselves from the illusion that climate politics is environmental politics. This has almost nothing to do with environmental issues, with problems like acid rain or the ozone hole.


So you are upset because he's saying Saudi Arabia and the rest of OPEC will not be providing solar panels for Central America for example. Since the Saudi's sell oil their wealth or 'future profits' are going to end up in renewable energy companies hands, in other words; in other developing nations/citizens hands.

Never figured you guys for OPEC supporters................

I would say nice try, but it's not even that. Maybe you can dig up the E-mail scandal for the 20th go round here......
 
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Oh, only OPEC has oil and coal reserves? Here I was thinking that the US some of that too.


This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Context lol.
 
Oh, only OPEC has oil and coal reserves? Here I was thinking that the US some of that too.


This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Context lol.

Yes the U.S. Has oil reserves and it also has high tech industry as does Germany, where the professor hails from. What do the Saudis have besides oil?
 
Yes the U.S. Has oil reserves and it also has high tech industry as does Germany, where the professor hails from. What do the Saudis have besides oil?

This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole. From the man himself. Context?
 
Actually he attended the Indian Railways Institute of Mechanical and Electrical Engineering. He has an MS in industrial engineering from North Carolina state, along with a PhD with co-majors in Industrial Engineering and Economics from that same school.

Ed posts information showing that the guy who HEADS the IPCC has zero education in climate science, atmosphere, weather, or any related field. You dismiss Ed's point since the guy has a Ph.D. in a a field having nothing to do with "climate science."

Hmmmm ... that's interesting. So the lack of education in "climate science" means nothing if the person is otherwise well-educated? That's odd, since I recall a certain contemptible scumbag writing the following:

Where did Tony Heller- A.K.A. Steven Goddard study climate science? Let me help you, nowhere.

Maybe Steven Goddard, Willie Soon...... Willie has cashed in on 1.5 million from Exxon and friends, of course he does his work for humanity.............oh and he's not a climate scientist, but he'll do.

The claim that half the warming is from adjustments is from WATTS! Who is also not a climate scientist. HE'S A WASHED UP WEATHERMAN!

Whether the type below believe or not does not matter anyway other than from a P.R. perspective. They are not climate scientists.

Oh, I GET IT!!

Pro-global fraud - any Ph.D. will do.

Anti-climate panic? You must have a Ph.D. in "climate science" - and no, education in statistics, mathematics, climate, weather or any related field will not do.

Polo, humiliating you is really too easy. And no, I don't need to include some asinine clown car video to make my point - I do so with reasoning and rational thought.

Oh, what the hell ... Polo the clown, in yet another beatdown:

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Pwnage of the day, indeed.

Ron, here's a link - no paid subscription needed: http://online.wsj.com/articles/matt-ridley-whatever-happened-to-global-warming-1409872855

On Sept. 23 the United Nations will host a party for world leaders in New York to pledge urgent action against climate change. Yet leaders from China, India and Germany have already announced that they won't attend the summit and others are likely to follow, leaving President Obama looking a bit lonely. Could it be that they no longer regard it as an urgent threat that some time later in this century the air may get a bit warmer?

In effect, this is all that's left of the global-warming emergency the U.N. declared in its first report on the subject in 1990. The U.N. no longer claims that there will be dangerous or rapid climate change in the next two decades. Last September, between the second and final draft of its fifth assessment report, the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change quietly downgraded the warming it expected in the 30 years following 1995, to about 0.5 degrees Celsius from 0.7 (or, in Fahrenheit, to about 0.9 degrees, from 1.3).

Even that is likely to be too high. The climate-research establishment has finally admitted openly what skeptic scientists have been saying for nearly a decade: Global warming has stopped since shortly before this century began.

First the climate-research establishment denied that a pause existed, noting that if there was a pause, it would invalidate their theories. Now they say there is a pause (or "hiatus"), but that it doesn't after all invalidate their theories.

Alas, their explanations have made their predicament worse by implying that man-made climate change is so slow and tentative that it can be easily overwhelmed by natural variation in temperature—a possibility that they had previously all but ruled out.
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When the climate scientist and geologist Bob Carter of James Cook University in Australia wrote an article in 2006 saying that there had been no global warming since 1998 according to the most widely used measure of average global air temperatures, there was an outcry. A year later, when David Whitehouse of the Global Warming Policy Foundation in London made the same point, the environmentalist and journalist Mark Lynas said in the New Statesman that Mr. Whitehouse was "wrong, completely wrong," and was "deliberately, or otherwise, misleading the public."

We know now that it was Mr. Lynas who was wrong. Two years before Mr. Whitehouse's article, climate scientists were already admitting in emails among themselves that there had been no warming since the late 1990s. "The scientific community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if I said the world had cooled from 1998," wrote Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia in Britain in 2005. He went on: "Okay it has but it is only seven years of data and it isn't statistically significant."

If the pause lasted 15 years, they conceded, then it would be so significant that it would invalidate the climate-change models upon which policy was being built. A report from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) written in 2008 made this clear: "The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) zero trends for intervals of 15 yr or more."

Well, the pause has now lasted for 16, 19 or 26 years—depending on whether you choose the surface temperature record or one of two satellite records of the lower atmosphere. That's according to a new statistical calculation by Ross McKitrick, a professor of economics at the University of Guelph in Canada.

It has been roughly two decades since there was a trend in temperature significantly different from zero. The burst of warming that preceded the millennium lasted about 20 years and was preceded by 30 years of slight cooling after 1940.

This has taken me by surprise. I was among those who thought the pause was a blip. As a "lukewarmer," I've long thought that man-made carbon-dioxide emissions will raise global temperatures, but that this effect will not be amplified much by feedbacks from extra water vapor and clouds, so the world will probably be only a bit more than one degree Celsius warmer in 2100 than today. By contrast, the assumption built into the average climate model is that water-vapor feedback will treble the effect of carbon dioxide.

But now I worry that I am exaggerating, rather than underplaying, the likely warming.

Most science journalists, who are strongly biased in favor of reporting alarming predictions, rather than neutral facts, chose to ignore the pause until very recently, when there were explanations available for it. Nearly 40 different excuses for the pause have been advanced, including Chinese economic growth that supposedly pushed cooling sulfate particles into the air, the removal of ozone-eating chemicals, an excess of volcanic emissions, and a slowdown in magnetic activity in the sun.

The favorite explanation earlier this year was that strong trade winds in the Pacific Ocean had been taking warmth from the air and sequestering it in the ocean. This was based on a few sketchy observations, suggesting a very tiny change in water temperature—a few hundredths of a degree—at depths of up to 200 meters.

Last month two scientists wrote in Science that they had instead found the explanation in natural fluctuations in currents in the Atlantic Ocean. For the last 30 years of the 20th century, Xianyao Chen and Ka-Kit Tung suggested, these currents had been boosting the warming by bringing heat to the surface, then for the past 15 years the currents had been counteracting it by taking heat down deep.

The warming in the last three decades of the 20th century, to quote the news release that accompanied their paper, "was roughly half due to global warming and half to the natural Atlantic Ocean cycle." In other words, even the modest warming in the 1980s and 1990s—which never achieved the 0.3 degrees Celsius per decade necessary to satisfy the feedback-enhanced models that predict about three degrees of warming by the end of the century—had been exaggerated by natural causes. The man-made warming of the past 20 years has been so feeble that a shifting current in one ocean was enough to wipe it out altogether.

Putting the icing on the cake of good news, Xianyao Chen and Ka-Kit Tung think the Atlantic Ocean may continue to prevent any warming for the next two decades. So in their quest to explain the pause, scientists have made the future sound even less alarming than before. Let's hope that the United Nations admits as much on day one of its coming jamboree and asks the delegates to pack up, go home and concentrate on more pressing global problems like war, terror, disease, poverty, habitat loss and the 1.3 billion people with no electricity.

Mr. Ridley is the author of "The Rational Optimist" (HarperCollins, 2010) and a member of the British House of Lords.
 
This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole. From the man himself. Context?

No, it doesn't.... Are you not able to understand that? You are using the wrong translation again this is the correct one:

'"This has almost nothing to do with environmental issues, with problems like acid rain or the ozone hole."

Environmental issues are not climate change issues for the most part. Whether it was deforestation, acid rain, whatever, those were issues that affect countries separately in terms of economics. Enviromental Policy was/is determined by those nations respectively (Brazil decides what it does with it's part of the rain forest for example).

NZZ: De facto that is an expropriation from the countries that have the reserves. That will lead to a completely different developmental policy than has up till now been the case.

OE: Up till now it is the industrial countries that have seized the atmosphere from the global community. But it has to be clearly stated: Climate policy will de facto redistribute the world's economic wealth. That the holders of coal and oil reserves are not exactly pleased with this is obvious. We have to free ourselves from the illusion that climate politics is environmental politics. This has almost nothing to do with environmental issues, with problems like acid rain or the ozone hole.


Now the industrialized countries who have done the science know the end of their (and the world's) economic system is coming if we don't act. Now by de facto (In principal) the world's wealth will be redistributed because we will enact policies for using renewable energy as much as possible, electric cars, etc.. At some point the enormous wealth of the fossil fuel industries will be in principal redistributed(U.S.,Saudi, etc..) to developing and first world nations/companies that build this new renewable technology, U.S., Germany, China,India, etc.

The policies that will take hold willde facto force poorer developing countries to change they way they do things i.e. cheaper renewables at that future time will make more sense than oil based solutions which are very expensive(and will only get worse) in poorer developing nations. In effect we can't make them stop from putting more Co2 in the atmosphere, the market created as a consequence of policy will.

This isn't redistribution of wealth in terms of Republican talking points about social programs, it's redistribution in terms of IBM no longer making money from personal computer technology but Apple and Dell..

I can't explain it any simpler than that.
 
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