Another school shooting. 8 dead.

[bmoritz]

Students have less right to privacy and freedom from search on school property than do adults in their home and office. School officials can search lockers or the students themselves if they have an "articulable suspicion" that the student is hiding contraband. That means that the school officials must be able to state a reasonable, fact-based suspicion, including comments by the student, prior behavior by the student, comments from other students, the odor of alcohol or marijuana on the student, etc.

Agreed, but that's not the same thing Coach posted.

 

[AggieSteel]

There is an inherent problem with terrorism and "lone wolf" mass shootings that America will always struggle with.

That is partly because the way we have always solved "social" ills in the past is to OVER examine and shine light after light after light on the problem thinking this will "fix it". We have a problem with racism? Let's talk about it ALL THE TIME. We have a problem with the tobacco industry? Pull the curtain back as far as it will go. Environment issues, pollution? Expose it. Report about it. Talk about at round tables and with "experts".

But when it comes to Terrorism and "Lone Wolf" violence, the more you talk about it, the worse it potentially could get. Because the goal IS the attention. It's not about death. It's not about head count. It's about the TALKING that comes after that generates the reason to do it in the first place.

Terrorists and mass murderers don't care if they get 3-4 more victims, only that it's big enough to generate NEWS. Only that it's big enough to have America do it's same song and dance routine, over-report about it, divide each other on "social solution" debates.

The reality is the chance of either terrorism or a "lone wolf" mass shooter REALLY impacting you is less than so many other social ills that the amount of time we spend on it as a media/society is not proportional to the risk.

The reality is these events are incredible money-makers for the News Industry because of the very fact they are infrequent, rare and incredibly difficult to just "stop" by some easy solution, thus the media can create the sense of an "unfixable" problem. And Americans love the random, "that could happen to me and there's nothing I could do to stop it" tragedy. And the media loves to play on those emotions.

And has been proven time and time again, these events are not happening MORE FREQUENTLY, only more deadly. And that might be completely a result of media coverage and the "one up" attempt at these crazy people to make sure what they do gets on the news in the first place.

To me, this is a News and Social Media issue. Not a gun issue. Not a child raising issue. Not a school issue. Not a "level of protection" issue. Not a police issue. Not a religious issue.

If we keep acting like the sky is falling every time something like this happens. If we talk about the killer ad naseum. If we "humanize" the victims and continue to play on the heartstrings of Americans to generate clicks and eyeballs, it's only going to get worse. And no law is going to change that.

I get what you're saying and I generally agree with the sentiment that we should not feed the beast when it comes to these criminals. They are clearly looking for infamy so don't say their names, don't give them what they want.

But I do not think that should extend to the national conversations about what we should do about these things. If you do not take any action, do not do any analysis, do not have any conversations, then nothing changes. Starving these criminals of attention would definitely be a good start, but I do not think sufficient. Rage, psychosis, criminality, lack of empathy, easy access to guns, etc. are surely just as prevalent in these shootings as narcissism.

 

[ark steel]

Really? How so? I see posts discussing 12 and 13 years olds, not 18, 19, 20. And even if there were, it's irrelevant. How do you get past the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment?

If he doesnt give a **** about the 2nd, why would the 14th be any more precious to him?

 

[Steeltime]

Agreed, but that's not the same thing Coach posted.

Ehh, pretty close, bmoritz. Coach wrote:

I say new law. If you post threats about guns or weapons on Facebook, no warranty is needed for the police or FBI to act. Take away their weapons, and charge them. Simple as that.

If a student posts threats and posts pictures of weapons on Facebook, that would definitely constitute the requisite "articulable suspicion" for a search of the student, his backpack, and his locker.

 

[bmoritz]

If he doesnt give a **** about the 2nd, why would the 14th be any more precious to him?

Good point Ark.

 

[Iron95]

You guys are making a very good case why kids today aren't mature enough to buy a firearm until their 21.

I had a gun when I was 14. Guess how many people I shot. Of coarse you would never agree to kids taking the Hunters Safety Coarse because it is sponsored by the NRA.

 

[IndySteel]

This is pretty good...

Anti-gunners (at least those in the media and in Washington) seem to have no end of rage and loathing for anyone who has a level-headed viewpoint about guns. They scream and screech and treat anyone who disagrees with them with the type of sympathy and understanding that Stalin had when he had people executed for disagreeing with him.



The interesting thing is, despite blaming mass shootings on the NRA and legal gun owners, as Stephen Kruiser puts it, “Of course, none of America’s mass shooters have been NRA members. The NRA doesn’t, as many liberals erroneously claim, provide weapons to people. And, to add to what Kruiser said, mass shooters often don’t get their weapons through legal means either.



So, Kruiser, in a recent article, set out to explain why anti-gunners hate the NRA. Here are his reasons along with our commentary as to why anti-gunners hate all gun owners whether they are NRA members or not:



“They’re Rage-Filled and Projecting” – Anti-gunners froth at the mouth. They riot. They espouse violence against legal, peaceful gun owners. Who is actually threatening violence here? Typically, it’s anti-gunners, but, like most people in that part of the political spectrum, they blame others for their character weaknesses instead of dealing with it themselves.

“They’re Not Really Fans of History” – If they were, they would know that gun control is the realm of totalitarian governments and racists who want to control and kill people. Who are the bad guys here? Not gun owners.

“They Eschew Logic” – Anti-gunners make knee-jerk emotional decisions. If they’re not being logical, how can they come up with logical solutions? They can’t.

“They’re Horribly Misinformed” – They buy into the mainstream media’s anti-gun narrative hook, line, and sinker without any critical analysis, and they think that nonsense is the truth. And, like most misinformed people, they fight violently against ideas that they don’t already agree with.

“They’re a Hive Mind” – Just like The Borg in Star Trek, anti-gunners don’t think for themselves. It’s just an endless repeating of illogical talking points.

“They Live in Bubbles” – Anti-gunners don’t live in the real world. They’ve never met a gun owner, and they have the hive mind idea that all gun owners are just waiting for an opportunity to take someone out. It’s both pathetic and sad.

“They’re Horrible at Identifying Real Enemies” – They think the enemy is us when the enemy is their ignorance and those that control them in the media and politics.

“They’re Euro Fetishists” – There is a reason that so many anti-gunners want always to have the image of having Ikea furniture and drinking craft beers. They also often worship socialism and other European ideas. Of course, we’d be okay with all of these anti-gun nutcases moving to Europe. I just don’t think that Europe wants them either.

“Liberals Hate the Constitution” – In other words, anti-gunners hate the Constitution. Enough said.

“Deep Down, They Know We’re Better People Than They Are” – As Kruiser says, anti-gunners are angry because they openly advocate killing pro-gun people, but they know (no matter what they say) that we are the sane and self-controlled ones who won’t shoot them for saying something they disagree with. Don’t you just hate it when you envy someone for being a better person than you? Yes, that’s another reason anti-gunners hate you, too.

So, there you have it, a nice summation of why anti-gunners hate you and me and why we must stand strong in our positions. If people of the character of anti-gunners (as discussed above) become the majority, it will be a sorry nation that we leave our children.