Like the Dolphins finally decided to do, I'd prefer to give the young quarterback with loads of potential as much game experience as possible, so he could learn how to see more than a third of the field in live conditions. Rather than plugging in an old career backup praying to make it to the playoffs for the first time in his 16 years.
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And I'm saying it's an accomplishment of little merit unless/until those QBs actually accomplish something more than being starting NFL QBs. Gardner Minshew was a starting NFL QB last year. It's an accomplishment for him to be a starter, I guess. He still hasn't done ****. Hell, take Hurts immediate predecessor as an example. Carson Wentz was a record breaking rookie QB. Finalist for Rookie Of The Year. He was going to be the next big stud QB .... Until he wasn't.
So, until those guys, any of them (tOSU QBs, 'Bama QBs, Holy Rock QBs) actually prove themselves, I'm saying they could all bust just as well as become competent starters. Let alone stars.
According to your logic, "quantity" of players to reach starting QB jobs in the NFL is all that matters. Never mind if they don't end up as playoff QBs, don't measure up stats wise, don't continue to develop and/or end up as little seen, little used backups ... they were starters at one point.
Nope, not enough. And, it wasn't what the original premise to the conversation was to begin with.
No, according to my logic, Alabama has been producing NFL-quality starting quarterbacks in recent years. For some reason, you can't seem to accept this simple fact for what it is.
Although these young players haven't had a chance to fulfill your lofty accomplishment checklist just yet, it doesn't change the reality that Alabama is a school which has been developing more than its fair share of good quarterback prospects lately. So this is the reason that your original premise of questioning why there's been no hate for Mac Jones "in regards to past 'Bama QBs" makes little sense. Understand?
Although these young players haven't had a chance to fulfill your lofty accomplishment checklist just yet, it doesn't change the reality that Alabama is a school which has been developing more than its fair share of good quarterback prospects lately. So this is the reason that your original premise of questioning why there's been no hate for Mac Jones "in regards to past 'Bama QBs" makes little sense. Understand?
I don't see why you're getting so testy about this conversation.
If you think that just putting QBs in the league means they're doing a fantastic job at 'Bama, you're entitled to think it. I disagree.
I personally don't think the 'Bama QBs who have been in the league have done much of note when they are given a shot. Tua went 6-3 as a starter. Rudolph went 5-3. If you view either of those as a milestone accomplishment, again, you're entitled to your opinion. And again, I don't agree.
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Not getting testy at all.
You said that Alabama hasn't had a single starting quarterback who's had any success in the NFL in the past 50 years. You asked why people aren't hating on Mac Jones because of those past failures. I pointed out that Alabama's track record in the last five years is actually pretty good, because they already have two CURRENT starters in the NFL, with a third soon to follow. Those facts obviously haven't changed your perception about Alabama. No surprise there.
They still haven't. I mean if 6-3 is what we're hanging our hat on. Is there the possibility of success? Yes. But it's also reasonable to say that there's just as much possibility that Tua, Hurts and/or Jones don't pan out as the teams that drafted them hope. They have not established themselves in really any manner. The jury's still out. Let's let them actually show some consistent play/success before we tout them as having "successful" careers. 6-3 in your rookie year with ypa, QBR, etc. about equal to Mason Rudolph's 2019 doesn't qualify as succeeding.
You're right, it doesn't change my perception. Nor should it.
Bam bam!
Yeah, maybe they'll all turn into third- or fourth-stringers after two years in the NFL, like a certain quarterback from Ohio State who's currently behind the aforementioned Mason Rudolph on the Steelers depth chart. Now there's an example of a guy who really hasn't established himself in any manner.
If you're expecting me to disagree about Haskins, you're wrong. But, according to your criteria, he's an accomplished NFL QB simply because he was a starter at one point. Not something I agree with, but, we have different criteria for what accomplished means. Simple as that.
No, you're mistaken again. I said CURRENT starter, this being the second time I used capital letters for you.
OH, so you're saying Haskins WAS an accomplished NFL QB. lmao ... Anyway, have it your way. ALL the CURRENT NFL starting QBs are accomplished players (in your mind). Daniel Jones? Accomplished QB! Drew Lock? Accomplished QB! Taysom Hill or Jameis Winston? Whichever one starts is an accomplished QB! And as soon as a backup makes a start, he becomes an accomplished player too. Everybody gets a prize!
I'm done. This is simply too ridiculous for me to continue with you.
No, I'm not saying that at all. Obviously every situation is different. No matter how much you continue to try and put words in my mouth, what I said was that Alabama has two former starting quarterbacks who are currently starting in the NFL. Both of these young players have already beaten out established veterans on their respective teams, and are poised for further success. Haskins got cut less than two years after he was drafted, his career already washed out after being handed the starting job in Washington only because of Daniel Snyder. You can't see the differences there?OH, so you're saying Haskins WAS an accomplished NFL QB. lmao ... Anyway, have it your way. ALL the CURRENT NFL starting QBs are accomplished players (in your mind). Daniel Jones? Accomplished QB! Drew Lock? Accomplished QB! Taysom Hill or Jameis Winston? Whichever one starts is an accomplished QB! And as soon as a backup makes a start, he becomes an accomplished player too. Everybody gets a prize!
I'm done. This is simply too ridiculous for me to continue with you.
I'm glad that you're done, because you make less and less sense every time you post.
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Anyone reading your previous posts will see that what you're saying here IS NOT what you were saying earlier. But, OK, whatever.No, not anyone. Just you. I've had the same theme consistently from the start. But you evidently can only see what you want to see.
Guess you weren't done after all. Imagine that.
Have a good evening Top. It's been
... well, it's been a loong conversation.
Mel Kiper is good at cornhole?
One of these guys wears glasses to disguise himself from his true identity?
About the same amount of brains too.
Mel Kiper is good at cornhole?