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Bell missing his burst

And no one is saying he sucks or anything like that, but his production is quite a bit down, at his usual pace he'd be pushing 1100 yards by now.

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I could see last game, that Bell lacked explosion. Previous to that, I didn't see it as much. Just teams clogging the middle with 8-10 players and preventing gaps.

Tennessee will sell out to stop the run. That is LeBeau's mantra. Stop the run, make the team you're facing one dimensional. It will be up to Ben and the receivers to win the game this week.
 
And no one is saying he sucks or anything like that, but his production is quite a bit down, at his usual pace he'd be pushing 1100 yards by now.

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The whole offense isnt at their usual pace
 
I could see last game, that Bell lacked explosion. Previous to that, I didn't see it as much. Just teams clogging the middle with 8-10 players and preventing gaps.

Tennessee will sell out to stop the run. That is LeBeau's mantra. Stop the run, make the team you're facing one dimensional. It will be up to Ben and the receivers to win the game this week.

They should be prepared for this defense. they practice against for the last 2 decades.
 
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Also curious what you think of the play design AB and Bell running the same route within 2yards of each other? It's ABs guy that peels off and makes the tackle

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That is a very good point, and I have to believe that is NOT what the play called for. The offense never wants to have receivers close to each other, since that invariably winds up putting 4 guys in a small area, including 2 defenders, and leads to a lot of tipped passes, contested passes, deflections, interceptions, a defender peeling off his guy to go to the ball.
 
I can’t put my finger on it with Ben this year. I don’t think he “check out”. No way. You hear the old school talking heads talk about if I didn’t have to do OTAs, training camp, and just get my body ready I’d be out there. There is no way he did all that not to be 100% for himself, his team and fans. But. There is no fire no emotion, sometimes it seems like he’s not even there. I have a feeling he is so done with Haley and the drama queens on the O. You see it every week. He tries to force **** to whom ever was pissed the week before (AB and MB) to **** them the **** up.

Still happy he is our qb and will be so sad when he is gone but I want the fire back Ben.

Ben's fire does seem off.
The entire offense seems to be going through the motions.

The talent and splash plays are there. It's hard to say it's just Ben or Bell's burst.
With Bell, my observation is he's lacking the football IQ. He's never been a fast guy, but his patience and vision always carried him far.
The patience is there, the vision seems off.

Ben: Lack of intensity.
Martavis: Lack of confidence
Brown: When you're a legitimate threat. Teams will gameplan to take him out of the game(strategically)

JuJu may be just what this offense needs.
 
Not necessarily.. execution execution execution

So let's assume for a minute that you are correct and that the Steelers offensive woes are all about players execution and the scheme/playcalling/etc are not culpable.

Let's look at a few scenarios as to what could be driving factors of these execution woes, and how we can fix them.

Hypothesis 1: They are listless and are not playing with the appropriate level of urgency and energy required to maximize their talent. It's not that every single player on every single snap looks listless. It's just - in general, they don't seem to be playing with the sense of urgency that is needed.

How to fix: If we agree on that, can we then agree that if an entire unit of a football team is playing uninspired football for long stretches, even if the playcalling and scheme are good, the onus is still on the coaches to instill a sense of urgency in their players? I personally believe that if one players makes a mistake one time, it is his fault. If many players make many mistakes many times, even if the coaches called the right play or designed the right game plan, it is still their job to have them play with the proper mentality.

Hypothesis 2: The QB drives the success of the offense. Ben is struggling with his downfield accuracy, and if Ben begins to play better, then defenses will back off Bell opening up holes, and everyone will play better.
How to fix: Ben needs to be more accurate and make better decisions with the football. Period. This is a player issue. We are squandering lots of line and skill talent because the QB isn't driving. If we accept this hypothesis, can we then agree that, even if these plays and playcalling have worked for Ben in the past, we need to do something different? Can we truly expect a 35 year old QB, 14 year vet of the league, to suddenly "find" his downfield accuracy after over half a season of looking bad? I would suggest not. Again, if the QB makes one mistake one time, then the QB made a mistake. If the QB is showing that he CONSISTENTLY cannot hit deep downfield, then wouldn't the offense be more efficient if we limited his attempts deep downfield? It might be a difficult coaching move, but if THIS is the root cause, then someone (Haley/CMT) needs to make sure we aren't taking so many reckless deep shots. They're not working, and Ben isn't going to just "find it" in week 11. The coaches need to work with the stubborn QB who will not willingly change his own game to start taking what the defense gives him. Only throw deep when it's OPEN. Otherwise, TAKE WHAT'S THERE. Ben can STILL DO THIS.

Hypothesis 3: The line isn't opening the same holes for Le'Veon as they once did, which stymies the run game, which stymies the pass game, and in turn the entire offense.
How to fix: Line problems are the hardest to scheme around. But if we are to believe this hypothesis, you'd have to believe that defenses are playing us the same way as they used to when Ben was on fire. You'd have to believe that they aren't keying on Le'Veon and forcing us to beat them through the air. Personally I believe teams are playing us differently. Le'Veon's YPC is struggling not because he lost burst or the line isn't blocking, but because defenses no longer fear Ben as they once did. But either way, whether it's a bad line or a defense intent on stopping the run, or both: a good offensive playcaller may choose to counter this with play action, formations that disguise run/pass, or with misdirection or quick hitting pass plays to athletic receivers. All these force aggressive linebackers to think twice before attacking a RB. We are notoriously bad at this: we telegraph our plays with empty formations, or running out of the same basic sets every time. We don't do a lot of trickery as we arrogantly believe we can just win because our guys are better. Either way, there are adjustments our COACHES can make to counteract this problem, even though it is difficult.

Hypothesis 4: The skill players do not have the talent we think they do, and cannot get open, or find space.
How to fix: Come on, you don't really believe this, do you?

Hypothesis 5: Every bad offensive play is a result of an actual mistake a player (or more than 1 player) makes on the play
How to fix: If this many mistakes are happening, then coaches need to adjust what is happening in practice. They must either discipline for making mistakes, force more repetition in practice, or just flat out avoid putting players in positions in which they have demonstrated tendencies for mistakes. And if none of that works, then you have to move on from players whose mistakes can't be corrected. Find new players.

Essentially, my point is that, for every hypothesis one might have for why the players aren't executing, there is COACHING that can and must be done to correct for it. If, for 9 games straight, the offensive has underperformed because of the players, that's no longer "execution" it's "talent". And no one here believes our guys lack talent. Execution is dropping a ball or making a mental error. If many of your players are consistently dropping more balls than they should or making too many mental errors over the course of 9 games making the whole offense look bad, then the COACHES must fix that, even if it's the players doing it. And if it's not that, then it must be that they just aren't any good compared to Robert Woods/Sammy Watkins/Jared Goff/Todd Gurley. And come on - you don't believe that, do you?
 
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So let's assume for a minute that you are correct and that the Steelers offensive woes are all about players execution and the scheme/playcalling/etc are not culpable.

Let's look at a few scenarios as to what could be driving factors of these execution woes, and how we can fix them.

Hypothesis 1: They are listless and are not playing with the appropriate level of urgency and energy required to maximize their talent. It's not that every single player on every single snap looks listless. It's just - in general, they don't seem to be playing with the sense of urgency that is needed.

How to fix: If we agree on that, can we then agree that if an entire unit of a football team is playing uninspired football for long stretches, even if the playcalling and scheme are good, the onus is still on the coaches to instill a sense of urgency in their players? I personally believe that if one players makes a mistake one time, it is his fault. If many players make many mistakes many times, even if the coaches called the right play or designed the right game plan, it is still their job to have them play with the proper mentality.

Hypothesis 2: The QB drives the success of the offense. Ben is struggling with his downfield accuracy, and if Ben begins to play better, then defenses will back off Bell opening up holes, and everyone will play better.
How to fix: Ben needs to be more accurate and make better decisions with the football. Period. This is a player issue. We are squandering lots of line and skill talent because the QB isn't driving. If we accept this hypothesis, can we then agree that, even if these plays and playcalling have worked for Ben in the past, we need to do something different? Can we truly expect a 35 year old QB, 14 year vet of the league, to suddenly "find" his downfield accuracy after over half a season of looking bad? I would suggest not. Again, if the QB makes one mistake one time, then the QB made a mistake. If the QB is showing that he CONSISTENTLY cannot hit deep downfield, then wouldn't the offense be more efficient if we limited his attempts deep downfield? It might be a difficult coaching move, but if THIS is the root cause, then someone (Haley/CMT) needs to make sure we aren't taking so many reckless deep shots. They're not working, and Ben isn't going to just "find it" in week 11. The coaches need to work with the stubborn QB who will not willingly change his own game to start taking what the defense gives him. Only throw deep when it's OPEN. Otherwise, TAKE WHAT'S THERE. Ben can STILL DO THIS.

Hypothesis 3: The line isn't opening the same holes for Le'Veon as they once did, which stymies the run game, which stymies the pass game, and in turn the entire offense.
How to fix: Line problems are the hardest to scheme around. But if we are to believe this hypothesis, you'd have to believe that defenses are playing us the same way as they used to when Ben was on fire. You'd have to believe that they aren't keying on Le'Veon and forcing us to beat them through the air. Personally I believe teams are playing us differently. Le'Veon's YPC is struggling not because he lost burst or the line isn't blocking, but because defenses no longer fear Ben as they once did. But either way, whether it's a bad line or a defense intent on stopping the run, or both: a good offensive playcaller may choose to counter this with play action, formations that disguise run/pass, or with misdirection or quick hitting pass plays to athletic receivers. All these force aggressive linebackers to think twice before attacking a RB. We are notoriously bad at this: we telegraph our plays with empty formations, or running out of the same basic sets every time. We don't do a lot of trickery as we arrogantly believe we can just win because our guys are better. Either way, there are adjustments our COACHES can make to counteract this problem, even though it is difficult.

Hypothesis 4: The skill players do not have the talent we think they do, and cannot get open, or find space.
How to fix: Come on, you don't really believe this, do you?

Hypothesis 5: Every bad offensive play is a result of an actual mistake a player (or more than 1 player) makes on the play
How to fix: If this many mistakes are happening, then coaches need to adjust what is happening in practice. They must either discipline for making mistakes, force more repetition in practice, or just flat out avoid putting players in positions in which they have demonstrated tendencies for mistakes. And if none of that works, then you have to move on from players whose mistakes can't be corrected. Find new players.

Essentially, my point is that, for every hypothesis one might have for why the players aren't executing, there is COACHING that can and must be done to correct for it. If, for 9 games straight, the offensive has underperformed because of the players, that's no longer "execution" it's "talent". And no one here believes our guys lack talent. Execution is dropping a ball or making a mental error. If many of your players are consistently dropping more balls than they should or making too many mental errors over the course of 9 games making the whole offense look bad, then the COACHES must fix that, even if it's the players doing it. And if it's not that, then it must be that they just aren't any good compared to Robert Woods/Sammy Watkins/Jared Goff/Todd Gurley. And come on - you don't believe that, do you?

do you really think we have coaches who arent attmepting to correct things. For instance Foster got tooled on a block gave up a sack. Are we really pointing towards Munchak. We know he is one of the best OL coaches ever. Are we questioning him for why the Run blocking hasnt been consistent. No im not. Its the players. You really think the Rams coaches are better??? They're are executing better. The patriots empty the backfield just as much as we do and i know exactly where they are going and they make it work. Ben is not very good at play action which is why we dont run it alot. There were stats posted that showed this. He also cant run bootlegs or rollouts anymore which is why we dont use them. I watch and scour websites after games that show the little breakdowns that spoils playcalls. A team established as ours isnt making wholesale changes. Players have to play better. The coaches have done everything possible to get the O going. Scheme wise and player wise. Shuster is starting over Bryant McDonald when healthy playing over James..players have to start playing better. Someone mentioned more no huddle have to remember we have new faces at skill positions and one guy missed a whole year and half of training camp.
 
I don't know why we have coaches and pay them so much they have 0 responsibility.
Ben ran a perfect play fake on JuJus TD, we use to run play action quite a bit back in the day, don't let the play calling off the hook by saying Ben isn't good at it.

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And no one is saying he sucks or anything like that, but his production is quite a bit down, at his usual pace he'd be pushing 1100 yards by now.

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You have one poster saying our rookie RB from Pitt is better and should be playing over him.

Bell’s production is down from what we are used to, but it’s related to various mitigating factors. It’s a given we all agree the offense isn’t in sync. I personally think it’s a combination of execution and player personnel mixed with some play calling. It was mentioned before that the offense seems to not know what they are. Run/pass or Pass/run set up. That is a great explanation. Sure Haley has a part in this low production, but this offense was prolific last year and Haley was OC then too.


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BY MATTHEW MARCZI JULY 27, 2017 AT 11:00 AM
No matter how long you might have worked on something, there will always be things that you can work to improve within the scope of your interest. For the Pittsburgh Steelers’ quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger, if there were one area in which I would wish he would work on, it would be in the selling and execution of the play-action passing game.

Put simply, it really doesn’t seem to be something that he is all that interest in doing in the first place. It is as though he would much rather simply drop back to pass without the decoy, and then we have on our hands something of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

If you believe, for example, that the play-action pass serves little purpose, then you are more likely to put in minimal effort into selling the play-action pass. The less work you put into selling the play-action pass, the less believable it is going to be, and thus the better it will be defended.

So it wasn’t surprising to me when I came across a graphic from Pro Football Focus that compared and contrasted Roethlisberger’s numbers in the passing game while throwing from play action versus throwing without it.

According to their numbers, he had the seventh-best quarterback rating when not using play action at 98.7, completing 65.7 percent of his passes for an average of 7.3 yards per attempt. His numbers dropped using play action, posting a quarterback rating of 76.1 and a completion percentage of 57.3, though his yards per attempt did increase to 8.4—not as high as you would expect.



Compare those numbers to Russell Wilson’s. His passer rating without play action was 83.9, completing 62 percent of his passes for 7.2 yards per attempt. With play action, he completed 73.6 percent of his passes for 9.5 yards per attempt and a quarterback rating of 121.8. Those numbers are more representative of what play action is supposed to do for a passing game.


So with that in mind, let’s look at some actual numbers. For the season, I have Roethlisberger using play action on just 72 passing attempts, including plays that ended in sacks or penalties or scrambles. That is well below the average, so he doesn’t even like to use it frequently, let alone sell is properly.

By my count, he completed 35 of 63 passes, which is actually lower than their numbers. But frankly his poor sells could make it difficult to distinguish what actually constitutes a play-action pass, so it’s very possible the sample could be different.

Those 63 passes resulted in 569 yards of offense, which is a slightly healthier figure of a little over nine yards per pass attempt with play action. But he threw four interceptions using play action versus only three touchdowns.

I think it is safe to say that the play-action pass is something that Roethlisberger should want to work on. Whether you go by my figures or somebody else’s numbers, the offense didn’t perform up to expectations. He even managed to get sacked on one attempt
 
You have one poster saying our rookie RB from Pitt is better and should be playing over him.

Bell’s production is down from what we are used to, but it’s related to various mitigating factors. It’s a given we all agree the offense isn’t in sync. I personally think it’s a combination of execution and player personnel mixed with some play calling. It was mentioned before that the offense seems to not know what they are. Run/pass or Pass/run set up. That is a great explanation. Sure Haley has a part in this low production, but this offense was prolific last year and Haley was OC then too.


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Well saying Connor is better is just crazy talk.

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Well he will chime in no doubt and give his reasons or back pedal his previous statements.


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LOL, I'm in no way down on Bell, but his low ypc, 10%of his runs are for a loss this season, more than double his career %, he's not getting around guys 1v1 when he's usually great at it. I just hope he doesn't have an injury that he's hiding.
Hopefully its just a bump in the road.

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do you really think we have coaches who arent attmepting to correct things. For instance Foster got tooled on a block gave up a sack. Are we really pointing towards Munchak. We know he is one of the best OL coaches ever. Are we questioning him for why the Run blocking hasnt been consistent. No im not. Its the players. You really think the Rams coaches are better??? They're are executing better. The patriots empty the backfield just as much as we do and i know exactly where they are going and they make it work. Ben is not very good at play action which is why we dont run it alot. There were stats posted that showed this. He also cant run bootlegs or rollouts anymore which is why we dont use them. I watch and scour websites after games that show the little breakdowns that spoils playcalls. A team established as ours isnt making wholesale changes. Players have to play better. The coaches have done everything possible to get the O going. Scheme wise and player wise. Shuster is starting over Bryant McDonald when healthy playing over James..players have to start playing better. Someone mentioned more no huddle have to remember we have new faces at skill positions and one guy missed a whole year and half of training camp.

I don’t think they’re not “trying” to fix things. I would argue they’re not good at fixing things that don’t work. We’re bad at plan B. When what we want to do, or think we can do, breaks down, we struggle to adjust. So I don’t think it’s a lack of trying, I just think whatever attempts are made don’t work. Either way the result is the same


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I don’t think they’re not “trying” to fix things. I would argue they’re not good at fixing things that don’t work. We’re bad at plan B. When what we want to do, or think we can do, breaks down, we struggle to adjust. So I don’t think it’s a lack of trying, I just think whatever attempts are made don’t work. Either way the result is the same


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What adjustment is there for that..i dont know if this after Mcdonalds injury or not. But what can a coach do besides dig in James ***. Not call that play again. Draw up another play. When the most simple thing is James make the damn block!!!!
 
What adjustment is there for that..i dont know if this after Mcdonalds injury or not. But what can a coach do besides dig in James ***. Not call that play again. Draw up another play. When the most simple thing is James make the damn block!!!!

Yep - on that play, James has to make the block. If that was an isolated incident then we say, “man the execution was bad there” which it was. But if execution is bad on a regular basis, filled with bs like that from multiple players? Then what? It’s no longer “execution” but rather “talent”

I mean - if James goes 9 consecutive games missing blocks regularly, then you either coach him up or take him off the field in those situations. And as fans we would then admit that James just isn’t very good. We wouldn’t say he isn’t executing, we’d say he sucks at blocking. We have enough of a sample size now. And I don’t think anyone thinks, looking at the names of our offensive players, that our offense is full of bad players


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Yep - on that play, James has to make the block. If that was an isolated incident then we say, “man the execution was bad there” which it was. But if execution is bad on a regular basis, filled with bs like that from multiple players? Then what? It’s no longer “execution” but rather “talent”

I mean - if James goes 9 consecutive games missing blocks regularly, then you either coach him up or take him off the field in those situations. And as fans we would then admit that James just isn’t very good. We wouldn’t say he isn’t executing, we’d say he sucks at blocking. We have enough of a sample size now. And I don’t think anyone thinks, looking at the names of our offensive players, that our offense is full of bad players


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We have this guy that we were using quite often a few weeks back, number 45, I think he's a FB, whatever that is, he was doing quite well.

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Yep - on that play, James has to make the block. If that was an isolated incident then we say, “man the execution was bad there” which it was. But if execution is bad on a regular basis, filled with bs like that from multiple players? Then what? It’s no longer “execution” but rather “talent”

I mean - if James goes 9 consecutive games missing blocks regularly, then you either coach him up or take him off the field in those situations. And as fans we would then admit that James just isn’t very good. We wouldn’t say he isn’t executing, we’d say he sucks at blocking. We have enough of a sample size now. And I don’t think anyone thinks, looking at the names of our offensive players, that our offense is full of bad players


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I believe thats why you see McDonald playing. So there was an adjustment. But McDonald has been hurt..so James is back in

And basically that has been the issue with the offense one player each play ******* up. Cause thats all it takes is one player to cause a play to not work
 
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