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Ben is the weak link at this point

Its tough because the young WR's I don't think are on the same page very often with Ben, that makes the most huddle and blitz reads so tough.
Brown even ran the wrong route on the winning pass vs KC, that's why Ben had to hold the ball longer.
 
They didn't stop Bell or Brown in first game. Bell actually had 10 receptions. Jones 29 completions.
He spread it around as well, 5 TE completions, 3 to Hamilton, 3 to Bey and 7 to Brown. Don't believe Rogers even dressed.

We were burnt by Blount and Gronk. Our run defense is much improved since then.

Stop the run, cover Edelman and spread the ball around on offense. I think the Steelers haven't played their best game yet.
 
I think he lacks confidence in the young receivers, therefore himself.

HUH? Rogers dropped a touchdown pass vs. Kanas City. Coates has bad hands. AB is often double covered on moving slants, a throw, if you miss, can be intercepted.

Heath Miller is retired, and Bryant or big play threat is out on suspension.

Trust with receivers must be earned. Ben has won 9 games in a row, including two playoff games. You need a very good quarterback to accomplish this.
 
We need to see more screens to Bell instead of lining him up as a WR. I even mentioned a shovel pass in another post. Get him the ball in space just like you would for AB. Bell needs 30 touches but at least 6 or 8 should be receiving.
 
We need to see more screens to Bell instead of lining him up as a WR. I even mentioned a shovel pass in another post. Get him the ball in space just like you would for AB. Bell needs 30 touches but at least 6 or 8 should be receiving.

I couldn't agree more, lining Bell up as a WR sucks, it tips our hand that we aren't running the ball, it also takes the surprise element of a RB screen or Bell chipping and slipping out to catch a pass.
We need someone to step up as a deep threat too, now would be a good time for September Coates to show up, or Bey.
 
Listen- Ben is a HOF QB. No question. But we cant ignore that the guy has been "average" AT BEST over the past several weeks.

5 INT's in three weeks is not going to cut it. And before you go blaming 'dropped balls', I would also ask you to consider all of the dropped INT's.
 
HUH? Rogers dropped a touchdown pass vs. Kanas City. Coates has bad hands. AB is often double covered on moving slants, a throw, if you miss, can be intercepted.

Heath Miller is retired, and Bryant or big play threat is out on suspension.

Trust with receivers must be earned. Ben has won 9 games in a row, including two playoff games. You need a very good quarterback to accomplish this.

Ben's rating during our 9 game winning streak? 91.375. Which is almost exactly the league average.

It wasn't "very good quarterbacking" that led us to win 9 games straight. You can thank:
-Le'veon Bell
-The O-Line
-An improved defense
-Coaching
 
Prior to the KC game, his passer ratings were 105, 103, 94 in the past 3 games. The dropped INT in the Miami game happened on the same drive as the first INT, so it wouldn't count as an extra INT. If AB and Rogers actually catch those TD's his passer rating is right around 100. He hasn't played lights our, but he hasn't been horrible either, and with the game on the line he's come up big. In our previous 8 games leading up to KC, he's had a passer rating of 93.8 or higher in all but two games.

It's ok to look at the INT's too though, AB had one go right through his hands, the 2nd vs Miami he had Wake hitting him as he threw it, the KC int the LB got his hand on the ball, it's not like they are all just bad reads or throws.
 
Isn't some of this on the young WR's though too? If AB can't even run the right route with the game on the line, how can anyone expect Rogers, Hamilton, and Ayers to be running the right routes?
 
This thread is 100% BS. Freaking dude has won two SB's, been to a third, and is on the brink of a fourth. Terry ******* Bradshaw played in a **** league where only a few teams had a legitimate chance to win it all. Ben is a hall of famer and one of the best QB's of all-time, and for damn sure is the best Steelers QB ever. Get behind our guy....dudes a damn warrior and he's the only damn QB in the league I would want on our side to go whip that Patriot *** in their building. Has he been off lately? Yep, but do you really expect these guys to play flawless football in **** elements against playoff calibre teams??? Pathetic that any Steelers fan would blast on Ben....pathetic!! Here we go!!
 
Im just going to throw this out there...for perspective...

Antonio Brown... ok awesome
Bryant- suspended
Wheaton- ir
Dhb - journeyman one trick pony with questionable hands
Sammie coates-- 2nd year guy with injury issues... appeared in 7 games with 1 catch and 2 Targets last season... has played in 21 total nfl games
ike Rodgers... 2nd year guy with a grand total of 13 nfl games under his belt, all this year
Coby Hamilton... practice squad guy with a grand total of 11 nfl games under his belt
Ayers... literally fresh off the practice squad.

The collective grand total of nfl games for coates, hamilton, ayers, and rodgers equals the nfl games played of the 25 year old Marcus Wheaton...

At te we have the ever injured Green, james and his whopping 24 nfl games played, and xavier who never saw an nfl field before this year... this is an extremely young and inexperienced recieving group.. recievers typically have a 2 to 3 year window before they really can contribute... so all these guys are likely not fully up to speed yet on reads and routes...
 
Ben's rating during our 9 game winning streak? 91.375. Which is almost exactly the league average.

It wasn't "very good quarterbacking" that led us to win 9 games straight. You can thank:
-Le'veon Bell
-The O-Line
-An improved defense
-Coaching

And you conveniently overlook the fact Brown is the only stable receiving threat in those 9 games. Continual rotation at WR and TE has nothing to do with it, right?
 
Isn't some of this on the young WR's though too? If AB can't even run the right route with the game on the line, how can anyone expect Rogers, Hamilton, and Ayers to be running the right routes?

Fair enough... We are operating with an almost entirely new WR corp this year, and I expect that there is a lot of communications. In fact, I bet that there may be more miscues by WR's than we are even made aware of.

But simply going off of the 'eye ball' test- his throws have looked off. For some reason, almost out of no where, I've noticed that he has been floating the ball way too high. Which is amazing when you consider that JJ is almost 6'7.
 
And you conveniently overlook the fact Brown is the only stable receiving threat in those 9 games. Continual rotation at WR and TE has nothing to do with it, right?

What does that have to do with anything I mentioned? You are merely listing excuses why his play has been average- which is a totally fair assessment.


I was discussing our winning streak, and what has worked.
 
While the article is great at the numbers and statistics, it only tells half the story.
And it's the same story we've known since 2004.
It's the same story Ben has joked about at pressers ( "you know, I hold the ball too long" ).

Ben is, and will always be, the backyard QB.
It's not pretty, and there are enough times he makes plays that are just plain retarded that leave us all scratching our heads and throwing our hands up.
But then there's the magic.
There's the absurd eyes bugging out of your head play he makes, be it shaking off a DL or LB that has him dead to rights, only to hit an open target.
Or he scrambles and throws a dart to an improbable location that only the intended target can catch.
And we all watch in awe of these plays and realize no other QB could have done that.
He's got a moxie, a nice mix of passing and scrambling, where he plays with reckless abandon.

Now, the following statement I make is made to compare the playing style of, not the player greatness of.
Ben is the QB equivalent of Barry Sanders. Let me explain.
Barry Sanders lost over 1,500+ yards in his career by running backwards trying to extend plays.
Had he just fell down or gone out of bounds immediately, he would probably be #2 on the rushing list behind Emmitt, instead of the third place he currently is.
BUT, had he done this, that means his playing style would have been drastically altered, and we would have missed some jaw dropping beautiful runs. He wouldn't be the Barry Sanders we all know and marvel at.
Barry Sanders. The guy who shredded Rod Woodson's knee without ever touching him. The greatest RB I've ever seen play in my lifetime.
Ben won't be in the same ballpark of Barry when he retires, as far as the pantheon of all time football greats go.
But like Barry, we live and die with his style of play.

Ben is not an orthodox QB in the mold of Brees, Brady, Rivers, Luck, E. Manning, Rogers, Ryan.
It's why he's NEVER mentioned in their breath when they talk about the top QBs in the league ( although that has started to change in these latter years of his career ).
But more times than not, he seems to win when it counts or make the play that matters when it matters most.
He's a winner. He has that IT factor. That unnameable, unidentifiable trait that helps him excel.
I've been critical of Ben from day one. I more times than not criticize his capability of reading defenses ( still do, although better in these latter years ) and throw my hands up when he forces a throw he should have thrown away, or takes an unnecessary sack for trying to extend the play, and not securing the ball properly.

I'll gladly take ALL of those blunders and questionable decisions because he's helped the franchise get to three and win two SBs.
How many franchises can say that since 2004?
It's the Woody Harrelson line from White Men Can't Jump.
"I'd rather look bad and win rather than look good and lose."
I'll take the awful stats and the wins. See SB40.
 
What does that have to do with anything I mentioned? You are merely listing excuses why his play has been average- which is a totally fair assessment.

Correct, they are excuses that explain why he hasn't been better, but also a compliment on reaching over 90 QBR with receiver by committee. Take Ben off this team and there is no 9 game win streak.

I mentioned earlier in this thread that he needs to get the ball down, so I recognize there is improvement to be made.
 
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Correct, they are excuses that explain why he hasn't been better, but also a compliment on reaching over 90 QBR with receiver by committee. Take Ben off this team and there is no 9 game win streak.

I mentioned earlier in this thread that he needs to get the ball down, so I recognize there is improvement to be made.

Don't get me wrong, I also dont think Ben has been awful.

But we have to hold our QB, who is of HOF caliber, to higher standards than average. Especially when you have the #1 RB and #1 WR in the league.
 
The #1 wr in the NFL has at least 4 drops in two post season games, one resulted in an int, one was a TD, one wouldve been a first down, and he ran the wrong route on the winning pass.
 
This thread is 100% BS. Freaking dude has won two SB's, been to a third, and is on the brink of a fourth. Terry ******* Bradshaw played in a **** league where only a few teams had a legitimate chance to win it all. Ben is a hall of famer and one of the best QB's of all-time, and for damn sure is the best Steelers QB ever. Get behind our guy....dudes a damn warrior and he's the only damn QB in the league I would want on our side to go whip that Patriot *** in their building. Has he been off lately? Yep, but do you really expect these guys to play flawless football in **** elements against playoff calibre teams??? Pathetic that any Steelers fan would blast on Ben....pathetic!! Here we go!!
It's not like we had anyone close to as good as either during the years in between, except for Bubby on a good day. :fat:
 
The #1 wr in the NFL has at least 4 drops in two post season games, one resulted in an int, one was a TD, one wouldve been a first down, and he ran the wrong route on the winning pass.

Lol I'm impressed at the length some of you will go to protect Ben. Brown's poor hands are the reason why Ben is sailing the ball over Jesse James' head? Or the reason why his balls are consistently getting batted down at the line?

Every QB deals with drops. But the point is, again, you expect much higher QB play from someone with:
-a top 3 Oline
-a #1 RB
-a #1 WR.
 
Lol I'm impressed at the length some of you will go to protect Ben. Brown's poor hands are the reason why Ben is sailing the ball over Jesse James' head? Or the reason why his balls are consistently getting batted down at the line?

Every QB deals with drops. But the point is, again, you expect much higher QB play from someone with:
-a top 3 Oline
-a #1 RB
-a #1 WR.
No one is protecting him. Consistently???? If ab and Rogers catch those two TD's like they should've, his completion % is over 70% for the second straight playoff game, not bad for a guy that is supposrdly consistently getting passes batted down for incompletions. His completion % through two playoff games is like 4% points higher than Rodgers.
 
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how do we know AB ran the wrong route on the last pass?
On Bens radio show he said, AB was supposed to run across the face of the LB, I guess not exactly the wrong route, he didn't run it correctly. That's why Ben had to scramble right, it was a designed roll out like some think.
 
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OK... I will agree with others that having Bryant or Wheaton (or even Coates) as your number two receiver (and number three) changes a lot. DHB is a very good player... but he is not a number two. This is a factor.

Now... having said that... Ben can make ALL the difference.

And this is the central issue for me... we need BIG Ben to show up in a BIG way... GENTLE Ben needs to stay home.

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