Brady retiring

[Djfan]

Brady is a cheating dirtbag. No respect at all.

The nfl has been fixed for years.

Sucks that Ben had to play while this was all going on.

Ban the troll.

 

[madinsomniac]

In this alternate reality where the Pats had to cheat to be able to beat the Steelers, was Tomlin good at his job?

The Pats were cheating back into Cowhers tenure… there were whispers back into 01 about it.. its also easy to pick out when they were able to and when they weren’t…

One of the analytical stat media groups,in the mid 00’s, before spygate, pro football outsiders, i think, did a huge breakdown of a bunch of great head coach’s ability to get their team in the correct general playcall… so for instance calling a max protect or screen play against a blitz or flooding a zone or vice versa on D.

Billy B had this stretch where he was way above the greats numbers… he just always had the right play in especially later in games. Everyone is at like 50%ish.. he was at like way over 75%ish or 80% or something ridiculous…

After the accusations they revisited it for the period of tge first half after the league made adjustments

( oh yeah, among the nfls responses to the first spygate, they gave teams tge ability to mike one defensive player like a qb, and in a move that few paid attention to, added encryption to the qb mike system… they would redo the encryption a couple more times after various pats scandals too…)

And suddenly after those moves the ability of his team to be in the right formations dropped back down to what you’d expect from a good coach, only to go back up the next season…..

They taped practices
They taped signals
Peyton manning and tony dungy thought they bugged the locker room
Read the espn report on that era… they stole playbooks
They were accused of screwing with the audio system, outright stealing playcalls off the audio system
Miking up multiple players with radios that didn’t cut off at all rather than with15 seconds on the playclock….

Remember the insiders said that the harsh punishment for brady over deflategate was because the owners were forcing it on goodell because he let the pats off too lightly from spygate and they felt that theykept doing many of the things the league told them not to… also the league mysteriously had to move to more and more harsher encryption of the sideline audio signals and overhauling that stuff is really expensive… they didn’t keep doing it for no reason

Its like I said before… enough nflrs talk about it in their friend circles that its only a matter of time that the stuff not talked about in the espn expose comes out eventually….

And yes, the league destroyed evidence… the tapes, tge audio equipment ( which, when directly asked about it in the first couple press conferences, Goodell claimed was sent out to “experts” to evaluate what it did, then utterly blew off any info about it once it was out of sight, out of mind)

 

[MTC]

Brady is a cheating dirtbag. No respect at all.

The nfl has been fixed for years.

Sucks that Ben had to play while this was all going on.

Ban the troll.

Well if the nfl is fixed then all teams have to be in on it in some shape or form.

A proud owner wouldn’t just sit by given the access to the media. Unless there are some mafia connections with some

 

[MTC]

The Pats were cheating back into Cowhers tenure… there were whispers back into 01 about it.. its also easy to pick out when they were able to and when they weren’t…

One of the analytical stat media groups,in the mid 00’s, before spygate, pro football outsiders, i think, did a huge breakdown of a bunch of great head coach’s ability to get their team in the correct general playcall… so for instance calling a max protect or screen play against a blitz or flooding a zone or vice versa on D.

Billy B had this stretch where he was way above the greats numbers… he just always had the right play in especially later in games. Everyone is at like 50%ish.. he was at like way over 75%ish or 80% or something ridiculous…

After the accusations they revisited it for the period of tge first half after the league made adjustments

( oh yeah, among the nfls responses to the first spygate, they gave teams tge ability to mike one defensive player like a qb, and in a move that few paid attention to, added encryption to the qb mike system… they would redo the encryption a couple more times after various pats scandals too…)

And suddenly after those moves the ability of his team to be in the right formations dropped back down to what you’d expect from a good coach, only to go back up the next season…..

They taped practices
They taped signals
Peyton manning and tony dungy thought they bugged the locker room
Read the espn report on that era… they stole playbooks
They were accused of screwing with the audio system, outright stealing playcalls off the audio system
Miking up multiple players with radios that didn’t cut off at all rather than with15 seconds on the playclock….

Remember the insiders said that the harsh punishment for brady over deflategate was because the owners were forcing it on goodell because he let the pats off too lightly from spygate and they felt that theykept doing many of the things the league told them not to… also the league mysteriously had to move to more and more harsher encryption of the sideline audio signals and overhauling that stuff is really expensive… they didn’t keep doing it for no reason

Its like I said before… enough nflrs talk about it in their friend circles that its only a matter of time that the stuff not talked about in the espn expose comes out eventually….

And yes, the league destroyed evidence… the tapes, tge audio equipment ( which, when directly asked about it in the first couple press conferences, Goodell claimed was sent out to “experts” to evaluate what it did, then utterly blew off any info about it once it was out of sight, out of mind)

I think the owners could’ve done more from the sound of things

 

[madinsomniac]

I think the owners could’ve done more from the sound of things

Historically they don’t though… the one time i can remember the league owners stepping in was when we inadvertently overshot the cap by less than 100 grand because a bonus was paid out earlier than expected to a grunt olineman. Tagliabue wanted to let us off with a warning but the Rooneys felt it would set bad precedent so they took it to the owners and those ******* stripped us of a third rounder… lol

But that was public punishment to set a precedent…

The Cheatriots issue was deeper… something really bad happened in 01 that the league absolutely doesn’t want out… my guess is gamefixing on top of the cheating and thats why they wanted to whitewash it… but thats just a guess…

There are loads of theories out there… some really extreme, but the worse thing thats known at this point is the pats had videotape of the rams practices before that game, and that was one of the destroyed vhs tapes

 

[slashsteel]

I think the owners could’ve done more from the sound of things

What is the old saying don't cut off your nose in spite of your face? The owners aren't going to do anything that might put less money into their pocket. So any protest they could do they couldn't do it to a level that effects their two pockets rabbit ear drooping with coin down to the ground. They weren't willing to to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Goodell did a good to great job of explaining an outcome of a tarnished shield. So what they went in the door complaining about I am sure quickly turned to oh **** less money? Umm umm just do something Roge and let's get this over with.

 

[MTC]

Historically they don’t though… the one time i can remember the league owners stepping in was when we inadvertently overshot the cap by less than 100 grand because a bonus was paid out earlier than expected to a grunt olineman. Tagliabue wanted to let us off with a warning but the Rooneys felt it would set bad precedent so they took it to the owners and those ******* stripped us of a third rounder… lol

But that was public punishment to set a precedent…

The Cheatriots issue was deeper… something really bad happened in 01 that the league absolutely doesn’t want out… my guess is gamefixing on top of the cheating and thats why they wanted to whitewash it… but thats just a guess…

There are loads of theories out there… some really extreme, but the worse thing thats known at this point is the pats had videotape of the rams practices before that game, and that was one of the destroyed vhs tapes

It just doesn’t make sense if it’s just one team.
Why the owners didn’t take action to protect the “shield”. Yeah.

If it’s all fixed. Just put an asterik to every season

 

[MTC]

What is the old saying don't cut off your nose in spite of your face? The owners aren't going to do anything that might put less money into their pocket. So any protest they could do they couldn't do it to a level that effects their two pockets rabbit ear drooping with coin down to the ground. They weren't willing to to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Goodell did a good to great job of explaining an outcome of a tarnished shield. So what they went in the door complaining about I am sure quickly turned to oh **** less money? Umm umm just do something Roge and let's get this over with.

If that’s the case the cheating is beyond just the patriots. Cause again, I still fail to see how owners cannot be fuming at the time. You have 31 other owners who feel cheated, you best believe they want the harshest punishment.


But again if they didn’t retaliate to protect the nfl. Then what does that say? That says every owner is in on it.

 

[Steelmann]

Little late to the party here. After glancing through 9 pages of Brady’s retirement comments,I look over and see Big Ben’s retirement announcement has generated 5 pages. On our own Steeler Nation.
Doesn’t that seem a bit ******* wrong?

 

[MTC]

Little late to the party here. After glancing through 9 pages of Brady’s retirement comments,I look over and see Big Ben’s retirement announcement has generated 5 pages. On our own Steeler Nation.
Doesn’t that seem a bit ******* wrong?

Brady’s cheating


Ben doesn’t get respect

 

[jitter77]

I feel if games were fixed you would have ex players / coaches / refs etc etc coming out about it at some point. I am way past spygate. Football is entertainment and like watching a movie. I will still get enjoy watching the games, but after its over life goes on win or lose. You can really deny how good Brady was no matter how you feel about the cheating. He still had to put the ball on the money when it counted and he did more times than not. Then went to a new team won a SB had a legit shot this year, but the WR core fell apart

 

[slashsteel]

If that’s the case the cheating is beyond just the patriots. Cause again, I still fail to see how owners cannot be fuming at the time. You have 31 other owners who feel cheated, you best believe they want the harshest punishment.


But again if they didn’t retaliate to protect the nfl. Then what does that say? That says every owner is in on it.

Say you make for ***** and giggles 20 bucks an hour. So does many of your fellow co workers. You want some changes made to something you all strongly feel isn't right. In the meeting to protest you get handed a dollar bill. Then a manager tells you that is what you are going to make per hour moving forward. You feel strongly you couldn't make $20 an hour anywhere else. You realize they dramatic nature of the differential. You feel overwhelmed not wanting this dramatic change you relectantly cave in. There is no group cheating they simply knew it wasn't in their best interest to blow it up. What this says is no team owner would be willing to take these great chances in order to take down a bad seed. Are you willing to make 1 dollar an hour to white night your righteous cause? I tend to think most people wouldn't jump ship.

 

[MTC]

I feel if games were fixed you would have ex players / coaches / refs etc etc coming out about it at some point. I am way past spygate. Football is entertainment and like watching a movie. I will still get enjoy watching the games, but after its over life goes on win or lose. You can really deny how good Brady was no matter how you feel about the cheating. He still had to put the ball on the money when it counted and he did more times than not. Then went to a new team won a SB had a legit shot this year, but the WR core fell apart

This here

 

[MTC]

Say you make for ***** and giggles 20 bucks an hour. So does many of your fellow co workers. You want some changes made to something you all strongly feel isn't right. In the meeting to protest you get handed a dollar bill. Then a manager tells you that is what you are going to make per hour moving forward. You feel strongly you couldn't make $20 an hour anywhere else. You realize they dramatic nature of the differential. You feel overwhelmed not wanting this dramatic change you relectantly cave in. There is no group cheating they simply knew it wasn't in their best interest to blow it up. What this says is no team owner would be willing to take these great chances in order to take down a bad seed. Are you willing to make 1 dollar an hour to white night your righteous cause? I tend to think most people wouldn't jump ship.

So did the patriots really cheat post spygate? If team owners knew about it moving forward. They’d be aware.


That was my original statement

 

[MTC]

I feel if games were fixed you would have ex players / coaches / refs etc etc coming out about it at some point. I am way past spygate. Football is entertainment and like watching a movie. I will still get enjoy watching the games, but after its over life goes on win or lose. You can really deny how good Brady was no matter how you feel about the cheating. He still had to put the ball on the money when it counted and he did more times than not. Then went to a new team won a SB had a legit shot this year, but the WR core fell apart

Exactly

 

[Super Dave]

I see Brady managed to grab the spotlight on NFL Championship weekend, official retirement announcement expected in exactly 2 weeks.

Megalomaniacal cheating prick.

 

[madinsomniac]

It just doesn’t make sense if it’s just one team.
Why the owners didn’t take action to protect the “shield”. Yeah.

If it’s all fixed. Just put an asterik to every season

You do realize that the absolute cheapest franchise in the nfl is currently worth two billion dollars and each team profits tens of millions a season… given the choice of blowing up that value or living with an ******* franchise cheating is a no brainer to those owners…

And plenty of other teams tried their tactics … you just needed a guy with eidetic memory and total recall who understands football from a coaches level to implement it in real world time… so basically there is probably one of those in the world… no one else can sort through data at the speed you need to playcall effectively..

You can look for a handful of plays that you planned a specific counter for without that guy, but the overall impact is lessened

 

[slashsteel]

So did the patriots really cheat post spygate? If team owners knew about it moving forward. They’d be aware.


That was my original statement

Of course they did the statistics supported it. Goodell taught his surroundings to bury it. Just look at their recent infraction with Cincy. And how that team changed post Ernie. The teams weren't going to dig for more, Goodell wasn't going to dig for more. Those magical recoveries have stopped. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want but where there is smoke there is fire. If it looks like **** and smells like ****.. Another take I used to throw out is if you were a master thief. Indepth forever great at it. But someone knew about you and slapped you on the wrist. All that money you got would you suddenly stop? With a wrist slap? You can say with Ernie leaving that master thief got amnesia. Could no longer be that master thief. You might petty theft your way into retirement. Or you might say it was a great run. Be around the nice shiny riches because you love to.. and then retire. Either way enter bill-acheat. We are all caught up to present day while awaiting a great dinner out. I might have me Ribeye or Porterhouse maybe a side of lobster bisque. My favorite mixed drink with an extra celebratory shot. There will be laughter, there will be smiles, there will be fullness of a belly after awhile. There will be awareness of a game I love now more pure. And hopefully not the same HC to endure.

 

[madinsomniac]

I feel if games were fixed you would have ex players / coaches / refs etc etc coming out about it at some point. I am way past spygate. Football is entertainment and like watching a movie. I will still get enjoy watching the games, but after its over life goes on win or lose. You can really deny how good Brady was no matter how you feel about the cheating. He still had to put the ball on the money when it counted and he did more times than not. Then went to a new team won a SB had a legit shot this year, but the WR core fell apart

In the late 1990’s espn found two raiders players that were finally ready t go on the record about what the raiders taught about cheating in the 70’s… this included ways to intentionally injure guys and do things like sneakily smear ben gay or other irritating substance on the forehead of an opponent so the sweat would eventually get it in their eyes…

It took two decades to get a couple guys to expose very minor on the field stuff… and all stuff other teams players have claimed for years that were categorically dismissed by the media as sour grapes…

The idea that the league is utterly fixed might not be realistic, but some games will be fixed by organized crime because its hard to detect and lucrative…without an informant, nobody has ever been busted for point shaving or rigging things…

Believing the league steers games into better tv narratives is plausible, since it doesn’t involve players…its not outright rigging, just nudging things with penalties called or not called to favor a playstyle… it’s believable if not proven yet…

But covering up cheating to save the money value of something that you own is common human nature and happens every day…
Plenty of players and coaches have said plenty about the pats cheating ways… it just hasn’t been a pats player or coach (well except mangini… ) that will happen…

The other thing is there was a minor practice squad player who have made some claims about what he thought was going on there after being cut , and an It tech guy back in the day who was making social media claims all well pre spygate about things he set up for the pats before his stuff was all deleted that never really got investigated by anyone… which is the broader issue… most claims get trivial investigation before getting buried…

Thats why a plurality of owners forced Goodell’s hand on tge rather minor deflategate stuff… they were sick of seeing the same team skate over and over…

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

I'm not a lawyer. We were a 10+ point fav in AFCC and lost. We had a decent O and could not do anything. Ok we were **** that day. Then they hold 'the greatest show on turf' (I believe they were also a 10+ fav) to 17 points in SB. The game they got caught. I have not have heard any rumours on this year.

2005 - I believe Hines Ward and Rodney Harrison said they knew what what was coming in that game.

It’s easy to know when what you are watching is a rerun show. Ahh good ol RG for destroying all that meaningless footage.

You know what is funny today. MT wouldn’t need anyone to film us as it’s the same three plays anyways.

 

[Slovan Sam]

You were told plenty of facts troll you just chose to ignore each and every one of them. Deny all you want but all the times they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar paints a different story. You aren't a Steeler fan you can quit the charade. You will probably be running back to the cheatriot board bragging about how great you trolled the board. Which in reality is the same regurgitated dumb **** that cheatriot fans have thrown out since spygate. You aren't original, or cute. You aren't riling anyone up or doing anything but spitballing horseshit. Your approach is tarded at best. Your idiotic drivel could be upstaged by a **** slinging monkey. Now go twatwaffle on your time.

I'm not sure why you think I would go to a Patriots board when I'm a Steelers fan. It would be appropriate if you went to a board titled imakeupliestohelpmyselfcope.com.

Like it or not, Brady was better than Ben and Belichick was leaps and bounds ahead of our Cheerleader. That's why they consistently beat us for almost 2 decades. No cheating required when one clearly possesses more talent than the other. And yes, I can say this as a Steelers fan.

 

[slashsteel]

I'm not sure why you think I would go to a Patriots board when I'm a Steelers fan. It would be appropriate if you went to a board titled imakeupliestohelpmyselfcope.com.

Like it or not, Brady was better than Ben and Belichick was leaps and bounds ahead of our Cheerleader. That's why they consistently beat us for almost 2 decades. No cheating required when one clearly possesses more talent than the other. And yes, I can say this as a Steelers fan.

You aren't a Steeler fan you and I both know you aren't.. troll. No cheating required but yet they cheated over and over and over and over again. Like it or not those are facts that you have to deal with or don't. But it won't change the known known.

* Forever * and ever * just deal with it *

You can reside at

IamAClosetCheatriotFanInDenialTwatwaffle.com

No need to visit you would be right at home there.

 

[Slovan Sam]

The Pats were cheating back into Cowhers tenure… there were whispers back into 01 about it.. its also easy to pick out when they were able to and when they weren’t…

Are you able to provide a citation that discusses these "whispers" more in-depth, to include who specifically stated them and the corroborating evidence which supported them being true. Could you also provide a citation which outlines the actions the NFL took against the Pats in 2001 when it was proven that these whispers were in fact true. Thanks again

 

[slashsteel]

Are you able to provide a citation that discusses these "whispers" more in-depth, to include who specifically stated them and the corroborating evidence which supported them being true. Could you also provide a citation which outlines the actions the NFL took against the Pats in 2001 when it was proven that these whispers were in fact true. Thanks again

You are a broken record. Go find the info you seek it is out there. Google is your friend fucktwat. Stop asking posters to find you info that you would just deny anyways.

 

[Slovan Sam]

Billy B had this stretch where he was way above the greats numbers… he just always had the right play in especially later in games. Everyone is at like 50%ish.. he was at like way over 75%ish or 80% or something ridiculous…

It's commonplace for great coaches to have great numbers. It's not proof that they cheat at their job.