I would prefer to play Rudolph and become a better football team and if most likely required find the q in 2023. There are 22 complainants. 22. Ben had two and one had crazy emails. And it went on and on. I just cannot cheer for someone like this. Some of you need to give your head a shake. It's one down ****** year.
BREAKING: Deshaun Watson Will Not Face Criminal Charges
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Yeah but we are talking Rudy here. I might have to double up on my liquor cabinet. Kick the dog, shake the GF. Or is it shake the dog kick the GF..
Anywho
Play fantasy football for a year. Or better yet gamble on the sport. Like this is a guy who is making 10million a year. If a girlfriend isn't good enough $1000 escort who will do almost whatever he wants. No he needs to go at some girl who could be your girlfriend/wife, daughter, sister because it's about power and control. **** this guy. Some of you refused to watch because of Vick as a backup. They get this POS last game I watch till he is done.
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Don't handle my own business...Seriously I stand by what I know...Here in LA most ALL touch you...I have to look really hard to FIND places that don't...
They massage your balls or ***...They want a tip
Look i stand by the Steelers employ some grade A+ private eyes that will uncover the absolute truth… if there is any truth to the rumors they just won’t bring him in at all… if they make a play it’s cause they think he is ultimately innocent or at least not at fault… 22 accusations is a lot…
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pretty big difference between the cases with Trump and Watson. Allegations against Trump were about financial dealings so it was essentially about paperwork. Trump says nothing but then has documents to make his case.
Watson is in a literal He said She said scenario. She said he assaulted her. He then said I refuse to respond because i may incriminate myself. Umm OK. How do you then not send that to trial to sort things out?
Unless Watson had some kind of smoking gun texts or social media posts that showed the women to be lying, then how can anybody take this dismissal seriously?
Civil and criminal trials are totally different. It's common for people in civil matters to assert their 5th Amendment right to be silent when there is a criminal investigation underway. The fact that the Trump matter and Watson's issues were different highlights this point. In the Trump matter, Eric Trump "took the 5th" on questions regarding his knowledge of an attempt to subvert tax laws by calling compensation paid to the company's CFO "scholarships" for his children. That's not "paperwork" questions. Those are questions about a criminal conspiracy to avoid paying taxes. Taking the 5th during the civil depositions, to avoid exposing himself to further questions from the criminal investigators, was a smart move on E.T.'s part.
Regardless, you don't send folks to criminal trial for taking the 5th during a civil deposition because to do so would neuter the right. You do send them to a CIVIL trial to sort things out in the civil matter. Which, barring settlements, I'm sure will happen.
Only the grand jury knows why they decided to bring No Bills on each of the 9 potential criminal charges (8 of which were misdemeanors). If I were to guess, and it would only be a guess, it would be because they felt that the evidence presented did not meet the required threshold for charges to be brought. Also, during a grand jury, the defense is rarely (like never) allowed to present a case. The prosecutor alone presents his evidence and the grand jury decides if what he/she has presented is enough to bring charges. So, when you get a No Bill, the grand jury must have thought the evidence was ****.
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Really?
It’s “hard” to believe that in 2022 people just make stuff up for money and/or fame?!
Elizabeth Holmes, Jessie Smollett, Rachel Dolezal, Elizabeth Warren, Christine Blazy Ford, Joy Reid, Simon Leviev, Anna Delvey, Stephen Glass, Brian Williams, Hillary Clinton, and CNN all say “Hold our beers.”
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There’s two separate things happening with these cases. Criminal AND Civil. Simultaneously happening. He pled the FIF in the civil. And this standard protocol. Any lawyer worth his salt would advise his client to do this until the criminal is settled.
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I mean, these young players in sports don’t make mistakes early in their life, have a “Come to Jesus” moment, and then turn their lives around for the better. Never heard ANY stories like that. Especially not here in Pittsburgh.
(Please note the sarcasm, I’m laying it rather thick).
Look. I’m not saying he’s a saint or the devil.
I don’t know what happened, and it’s not for us to judge.
But IF any part of these allegations are/were even remotely true, the grand jury would have moved for trial. I’ve been fortunate/unfortunate enough to sit on 2 grand juries. Grand Juries hear evidence not to say guilty or not guilty, but just to say there’s enough evidence to go to trial.
So apparently, these women’s accusations didn’t sound too convincing to the people of the Grand Jury.
A celebrity didn't get indicted in a he said she said case. Not a real shock. Don't think 22 women are lying under oath and don't think Watson is either smart enough or disciplined enough to change his ways. He is a time bomb and not worth the risk we would have to trade to get him. Coming out of college I thought he was a high character franchise guy. Sadly I think that ship has sailed.
Criminal puts the burden of proof on the accuser. He put his dick in my face. I asked if she wanted me to put it there. Is there any further proof. Now logic says if 22 women come up with the same story he just forced it. But it doesn't work that way. Now when it comes to the civil trial it changes. Now the weight of 22 people and logic comes in. Now it's just this story is more believable.
Guys like this are a time bomb waiting to explode. He will be lucky to.play 3.
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That's the point i'm making that the bar for a grand jury to send to trial is very low. It is intentionally biased against the defendant. That's because the point is only to weed out the truly frivolous cases with no evidence whatsoever.
As far as i know watson has not refuted that he got these massages. So it's accepted as fact that he was alone with these women and did get massages. Then the women allege various crimes.
So a woman says he whipped his dick out. That's it. That should go to trial on that alone. Unless there was some sort of evidence that refuted it. Like if he could prove that he wasn't even in town on the alleged day or something like that.
In Ben's case, no charges were brought because the women's stories didn't match and kept changing. With Watson, these are individual accounts.
People can make up their own minds but i've yet to hear anything so far that makes me think Watson isn't a scumbag.
The woman saying that he did this or that is not enough. There are evidentiary standards that must be met. If the accuser/prosecution can't meet those standards, then the defendant shouldn't be charged and the case does not/should not go to trial. Otherwise, you end up going to trial every single time someone says this, that, or the other misdemeanor happened; evidence be damned. Wasting time and taxpayer money. And, running the risk that a sympathetic jury convicts an innocent person. In this matter, it appears those evidentiary standards weren't met. The system worked.
As far as Watson being a scumbag. I haven't heard anything to convince me he isn't at the least an entitled little perv. BUT, apparently, the grand jury, even with the process weighted towards the prosecution, didn't hear anything that made them believe he was an entitled little perv that should be criminally charged.
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The narrative pushed from his side is going to swing to a money grab showing a bunch of women he asked for whatever they said no and nothing happened and the ones who did stuff and are now saying they were forced… i doubt any of it goes to court… true or not, he will pay them off and it will dissipate…
from what I understand he only invoked tge fifth in questions directly tied to the lawsuit against him. He answered some questions pertaining to the criminal aspects… its still skeevy imo but i get where some people are less worried about it suddenly…
The narrative pushed from his side is going to swing to a money grab showing a bunch of women he asked for whatever they said no and nothing happened and the ones who did stuff and are now saying they were forced… i doubt any of it goes to court… true or not, he will pay them off and it will dissipate…
If Ben got 4 games for 2 accusations then Watson should be getting 44 games for 22 accusations.
I know, I know, that's assuming Rog would be consistent.
**** so true. I just want nothing to do with this phony fuckface. He acted all vindicated and innocent after. Bullshit dude. You are a predator and you know it. Let him be a brownstain or a Buccaneer I don't care I just will not watch him in Black and Gold.If Ben got 4 games for 2 accusations then Watson should be getting 44 games for 22 accusations.
I know, I know, that's assuming Rog would be consistent.
Tell us how you really feel? Ben didn't have a stellar past prior to his marriage...
That's really how I feel. And Ben was the Q that THE STEELERS drafted. Not taking on someone else's problem child. And if they traded him or the kinda haul these fools are talking about I'd have been all in on it.
I don't agree to what Houston is asking, don't get that twisted...
All I'm saying is don't throw the baby out w/ the bath water.
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I see what you did there, you offered him "Bush", isn't that what got his whole **** started..................................?
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You start doing that **** and you might get KNOCKED out by the girlfriend and the dog
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