The woman saying that he did this or that is not enough. There are evidentiary standards that must be met. If the accuser/prosecution can't meet those standards, then the defendant shouldn't be charged and the case does not/should not go to trial. Otherwise, you end up going to trial every single time someone says this, that, or the other misdemeanor happened; evidence be damned. Wasting time and taxpayer money. And, running the risk that a sympathetic jury convicts an innocent person. In this matter, it appears those evidentiary standards weren't met. The system worked.
As far as Watson being a scumbag. I haven't heard anything to convince me he isn't at the least an entitled little perv. BUT, apparently, the grand jury, even with the process weighted towards the prosecution, didn't hear anything that made them believe he was an entitled little perv that should be criminally charged.
I am not casting judgement because that isn't my job. So many people label this kid with their opinions and no one has PROOF that he did anything. At least nothing that I have seen or read about.Guys like this are a time bomb waiting to explode. He will be lucky to.play 3.
I am not casting judgement because that isn't my job. So many people label this kid with their opinions and no one has PROOF that he did anything. At least nothing that I have seen or read about.
It's fine. Hate Vick. Hate Watson. Hate Rice (oh he has no excuse). Hate Kapernick. Do you see where I'm going??? But if you do hate them - how do you feel about Ben??? You can't pick and choose who is a creep - they should all wear the same hat. No???
So, Putin, we're now putting folks on trial on the basis of hearsay evidence only? Under your scenario, let's just skip the grand jury. No need to weigh evidence or lack of evidence and whether the evidence presented is enough to actually hold a trial.What evidence? Watson seems to not refute that he was alone with each of these women and paid them for massages. The women say he acted inproperly and he says he didn't. That's enough for a grand jury. It's a trial that determines who is lying, not a grand jury.
Point 1. Kaepernick has no place in this discussion. He made a political statement that is unpopular here. Nothing to do with this. I think he was on the downward spiral of his talent and career and I've always wondered if he would have done the same thing if he was ascending but still. Not the same.I am not casting judgement because that isn't my job. So many people label this kid with their opinions and no one has PROOF that he did anything. At least nothing that I have seen or read about.
It's fine. Hate Vick. Hate Watson. Hate Rice (oh he has no excuse). Hate Kapernick. Do you see where I'm going??? But if you do hate them - how do you feel about Ben??? You can't pick and choose who is a creep - they should all wear the same hat. No???
This. But...Looking at Watson's age and experience - this year's 1 and 3 would be just about right to go get a true franchise QB for the next 10 years...
Reports are that Watson pled the 5th. He offered no rebuttals to allegation against him. How could a grand jury possibly refuse to send this to trial?
This wasn’t a He said She said. This was a She said, then he said nothing, then the jury told the women to get lost.
So, Putin, we're now putting folks on trial on the basis of hearsay evidence only?
Actually, that was my point. Which, counselor, I articulated further in my post.That's not what tape is saying at all. He CORRECTLY notes that in a grand jury proceeding, the accused has no right to a defense and basically all evidence is admissible, including hearsay evidence. (The latter part is mine, me being one of those super-articulate law-guy thingies.)
And yet even with those rules, the prosecutors could not establish probable cause for a crime. That's the standard for an indictment - mere probable cause.
Don't get me started on Vick. He was convicted. He was a peace of ****. Beating, electrocuted dog after dog after dog.
Watson was not accused of two incidents BTW. It was ******* twenty some incidents. If someone can't see the difference there I don't know what to tell you.
That kind of behavior gives the idea of being a predator and taking advantage of young women who were led to believe they were there to give a real sports therapy massage……maybe we will never know all the details but 22+ women…. Seems like the guy was trying to get some side actionever get a barber who cuts your hair right ,, good price... you go back.
Mechanic... yeah you go back.
maybe you need a proctologist. Once that one dr. does the butt exam.. youre not likely to switch it up and go find another butt dr.
the number of women involved,,, different massseuse's Big giant red flag.
1. You're correct. He's going to pay (a lot) and there will be NDAs. And there will be a media circus the day he's traded to a new team, the first day of camp, the first start he makes, the first bad game he has.There are 1500 plus players in the NFL and virtually all of them are getting these treatments. One guy has 22 plus complaints against him. Now the burden of proof to take away his freedom is pretty high but watch what happens on the lawsuits. He s either gonna pay out and a ton of NDA's or I guess he can fight them all and have his day in court. Every town has rub and tugs. This isn't about sex. So if some of you think he is getting a raw deal ok. I don't want him. And if your daughter, spouse or girlfriend was a legitimate therapist would you want her treating him?
100 percent agreed. And I have to say you are probably more correct about his level of talent. He is very talented. But this isn't about his freedom or even his right to make a living. It's about him being a representative of the Pittsburgh Steelers. In my opinion the hardest pass you can give. No way no how.1. You're correct. He's going to pay (a lot) and there will be NDAs. And there will be a media circus the day he's traded to a new team, the first day of camp, the first start he makes, the first bad game he has.
2. He doesn't want to fight them all (at least that's what common sense would dictate). You think the media circus will be bad WHEN he reaches settlements? It would be 1000x worse when details of depositions leak or witness testimony is spread across the news ... Heck, just imagine the PR hit he and the team that eventually ends up with him would take when some little slip of a lady tearfully takes the stand and describes the gross and obscene "treatment" he requested/forced her to perform. No way he takes ANY of these civil cases to trial.
He's criminally cleared. He'll most likely settle the civil cases. The court of public opinion is a whole nother beast. And this stuff will follow him for the rest of his life. The young Steelers team doesn't need the distractions, the bad PR, or the scorched earth media **** storm that comes with adding him to the team.
A lot of good points. With the problems this team has had they should prefer to stay away from potential problems. Ones they can clearly make a decision to stay clear of.100 percent agreed. And I have to say you are probably more correct about his level of talent. He is very talented. But this isn't about his freedom or even his right to make a living. It's about him being a representative of the Pittsburgh Steelers. In my opinion the hardest pass you can give. No way no how.
Kap is definitely in the conversation. The only guy on 'my list' who didn't deserve a second chance (BECAUSE WE ALL SAW HIM KNOCK HIS G/F OUT) is Rice.Point 1. Kaepernick has no place in this discussion. He made a political statement that is unpopular here. Nothing to do with this. I think he was on the downward spiral of his talent and career and I've always wondered if he would have done the same thing if he was ascending but still. Not the same.
2. Ben was our problem. This guy is someone else's. I would have traded Ben if the.price was right. However, there were two claims against Ben and one was pretty easily refuted. This is 22.
3. People go out and get drunk and sometimes some bad **** happens. This is a guy going to a therapeutic appointment and making unwanted sexual demands on women.
Lastly, Bermuda. What is your opinion on Jeffrey Epstein? I mean you weren't there. You didn't see him traffic those young girls. You have no proof. I'm sure some of them were helped out by his influence.
Kaep is 36 years old, he hasn’t played since 2016….2016…. The last couple games he played he was atrocious, and he opted out of a contract. It was HIS choice not to play in this league. he had like one pretty decent season but overall he still has a losing record…he’ll even Rudolph at least has a winning record.Kap is definitely in the conversation. The only guy on 'my list' who didn't deserve a second chance (BECAUSE WE ALL SAW HIM KNOCK HIS G/F OUT) is Rice.
They all have paid their dues and yet some Americans will never forgive. That's bull crap.
As far as Epstein goes---I wasn't there. The documentary that I watched on him seems to have MORE THAN ENOUGH evidence that proved he did it.
Again, I'm not judging him JMO...
Everybody judges. And whoever takes Watson will be judged too. Though I assume if its Seattle it will be less harshly than Pittsburgh. That is the right of people. Someone is alleged to have done something and everyone has the right to judge the validity of the allegation. One girl. Benefit of the doubt. 22. Cmon.Kap is definitely in the conversation. The only guy on 'my list' who didn't deserve a second chance (BECAUSE WE ALL SAW HIM KNOCK HIS G/F OUT) is Rice.
They all have paid their dues and yet some Americans will never forgive. That's bull crap.
As far as Epstein goes---I wasn't there. The documentary that I watched on him seems to have MORE THAN ENOUGH evidence that proved he did it.
Again, I'm not judging him JMO...
Bingo...22 women and not a single one of them reported anything on the day in question. 22 and not a single one. $$$$$$$$$$