Brett Keisel Returning?

[steelhurt]

I for one think it was a bad move. He's 36 and done. All this means is they will be taking valuable snaps away from Tuitt. Its not like we're a legitimate threat to win the AFC. We'll be very lucky to break 8-8 so why not give these youngsters the playing time. What the hell is Keisel going to do for you other than take snaps away from Tuitt and dollars away from a potential contract for Cortez Allen.

 

[NC STEEL]

I think it makes the team deeper, more experienced and better. The only down side is they did get older.

 

[SteelerAl]

I for one think it was a bad move. He's 36 and done. All this means is they will be taking valuable snaps away from Tuitt. Its not like we're a legitimate threat to win the AFC. We'll be very lucky to break 8-8 so why not give these youngsters the playing time. What the hell is Keisel going to do for you other than take snaps away from Tuitt and dollars away from a potential contract for Cortez Allen.

We were one injury on the DL away from being completely ******. Now we are two injuries away. Tuitt will get plenty of snaps, so I think that line of thinking is nonsense.

 

[TDX27]

I don't start Keisel unless the Tuitt and the other young guys absolutely suck and the Diesel comes in blowing everyone away. Give the young guys the snaps. They will improve quick enough and I don't see Keisel bringing that much more to the table at this point in his career. Don't get me wrong, I love the Diesel but I want the D to play the young, fast guys and improve that way.

 

[FordFairLane]

First of all, McClendon does not play in the nickel, he comes off the field. So you're adding snaps for big Mac, sure you want to do that? Second, we need more speed and mobility on the outside. Tuitt is not going to drop and cover anyone. Also, it's a lot tougher to move guys around and give deceptive looks (like the so-called amoeba defense where only one defender - or none - is in a 3-point stance) when you add another fat guy to the defense. Lebeau prefers fewer fat guys in the nickel and dime defenses, not more. He wants the QB to be confused about who's coming and from where...much tougher wit 3 DLs on the field.

Face it guys, Jarvis Jones is going to play a lot this year. And if he doesn't get the job done, then Arthur Moats will get a chance.

I wouldn't have McLendon play on obvious running downs I would put McCullers in on those downs so I wouldn't be adding many if any snaps to McLendon. I have watched him and he's a penetrator not a gap filler.

I wouldn't have Tuitt drop into coverage unless it's a crazy play trying to fool the QB. He should pin his ears back and get the QB because that is what he does best. Also, he might be a "big guy" but he's not fat.

Unless JJ shows something I don't want him in on the nickel. Fine, give him a shot at first but if he's not at least getting pressure on the QB in goes Tuitt in my book.

 

[keslerclan]

Keisel will start in the RDE spot w Tuitt as his back-up. Tuitt should be ready to roll at RDE by next season. Heyward will start alongside Worilds on the left with Thomas as his back-up. This makes the most sense IMO, in that, we will get some pressure and sacks out of our right side by adding 2 penetrating DEs. (Deisel had 3 more sacks than JJ last year in 12 games) Heyward will keep the left side honest and allow more room for Worilds too. heyward had quite a few pressures last year as well. McClendon is also a penetrator...seems we are going with pressure and speed over our traditional DL. While this will allow some teams to gash us running the ball, it will provide for more consistent pressure in the offensive backfield and allow more defensive play call/blitz packages.

A lot of pressure is going to be on our secondary to limit plays that get through our first line of defense but with Troy, Mitchell and Shamarko playing back there, we could see more turnovers too.

 

[SteelerFan448]

As far as Tuitt is concerned, the Steelers are preparing him to play as a tackle in the nickel right now. That was his role for the early season with or without Keisel. If he is good enough to start in the base 3-4, he will jump the starter, whether it is Keisel or Tuitt. The team is better now that they are deeper at defensive end.

 

[steelhurt]

We were one injury on the DL away from being completely ******. Now we are two injuries away. Tuitt will get plenty of snaps, so I think that line of thinking is nonsense.

Really? Of course this now means one of the young guys will either be cut or placed on the PS for any team to sign him. Again, what does Keisel bring at 36? I'd rather have my depth with the youngsters in Arnfeldt and Mauro not ******* Keisel.

 

[Litos]

I for one think it was a bad move. He's 36 and done. All this means is they will be taking valuable snaps away from Tuitt. Its not like we're a legitimate threat to win the AFC. We'll be very lucky to break 8-8 so why not give these youngsters the playing time. What the hell is Keisel going to do for you other than take snaps away from Tuitt and dollars away from a potential contract for Cortez Allen.

You know nothing Jon Snow, this year we are going 11-5 straight to the playoffs

 

[steelhurt]

You know nothing Jon Snow, this year we are going 11-5 straight to the playoffs

............Moron!

 

[SteelerAl]

Really? Of course this now means one of the young guys will either be cut or placed on the PS for any team to sign him. Again, what does Keisel bring at 36? I'd rather have my depth with the youngsters in Arnfeldt and Mauro not ******* Keisel.

3rd string Brian Arnfelt, really? Guy hasn't done a damn thing in practice or preseason (against 3rd stringers) to warrant a spot on the roster. May as well start whining that we are going to cut Kashif Moore and keep Warren over the younger long-snapper...

 

[slashsteel]

whomever we cut has open phone communications with Arizona

 

[steelhurt]

3rd string Brian Arnfelt, really? Guy hasn't done a damn thing in practice or preseason (against 3rd stringers) to warrant a spot on the roster. May as well start whining that we are going to cut Kashif Moore and keep Warren over the younger long-snapper...

QUOTE=SteelerAl;31549]3rd string Brian Arnfelt, really? Guy hasn't done a damn thing in practice or preseason (against 3rd stringers) to warrant a spot on the roster. May as well start whining that we are going to cut Kashif Moore and keep Warren over the younger long-snapper...[/QUOTE]

Do you what you're even talking about? Keisel is old, slow and done. This team must get younger and they've done a nice job this year in trying to do just that. Arnfeldt has been injured and missed time and actually lost some ground to Mauro but I'd still rather have these two young guys who when given limited opportunities have shown they can play. Most on this site were very high on Arnfeldt and just because the guy has had some injury issues this summer you're sour on him already? Lets see what he and Mauro do these last two pre-season games. What the hell was the rush to sign Keisel anyway? Its not like anyone was beating down his door to sign him.

The Keisel signing will take snaps away from Tuitt, cause Mauro and or Arnfeldt to be cut or to the PS. They are only going to carry so many DL. Don't lose sight that Big Dan still needs a roster spot.

My biggest fear is LeBeau pushing him into the starting job. I do not like the signing.

 

[Drink IRON City]

QUOTE=SteelerAl;31549]3rd string Brian Arnfelt, really? Guy hasn't done a damn thing in practice or preseason (against 3rd stringers) to warrant a spot on the roster. May as well start whining that we are going to cut Kashif Moore and keep Warren over the younger long-snapper...

Do you what you're even talking about? Keisel is old, slow and done. This team must get younger and they've done a nice job this year in trying to do just that. Arnfeldt has been injured and missed time and actually lost some ground to Mauro but I'd still rather have these two young guys who when given limited opportunities have shown they can play. Most on this site were very high on Arnfeldt and just because the guy has had some injury issues this summer you're sour on him already? Lets see what he and Mauro do these last two pre-season games. What the hell was the rush to sign Keisel anyway? Its not like anyone was beating down his door to sign him.

The Keisel signing will take snaps away from Tuitt, cause Mauro and or Arnfeldt to be cut or to the PS. They are only going to carry so many DL. Don't lose sight that Big Dan still needs a roster spot.

My biggest fear is LeBeau pushing him into the starting job. I do not like the signing.[/QUOTE]


Keisel was being pursued by ARIZONA. I'm sure the coaches seeing these guys practice everyday, thought they needed something a little more. Who is to say Keisel is activated or not, pending if either one of your boys upset him for the job. I think its a very good signing, in more ways than one.


Salute the nation

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

For me I would move Heyward inside along McLendon to the DT spots. Then have Tuitt and Worilds at DE's.

That's the point i was getting at and it's how the signing of Keisel is related to Jarvis.

For argument sake, let's replace Jarvis with Von Miller. Now in nickel you go with MIller, Worilds, Heyward, Tuitt or Keisel as your pass rushers. That means just 2 DL on the field in pass situations and the current depth minus Keisel would have been just fine.

But so far Jarvis is not Von Miller so there's a good chance the Steelers sub him out for a DE. Now you need more DE depth and you'd want him to be a pass rusher.

 

[slashsteel]

In the nickel I would treat it as a baseball lineup. There is enough bodies. The players who are showing a knack in practice for getting to the QB get the play. Lousy pressure in the game, you switch the lineup. Only in pass rushing sub packages. Not full time.

 

[SteelerinMD]

Makes sense, training camp just ended. Why would Keisel want to go through that? He will play in a rotation i feel to keep them all fresh and work as a mentor to a very young line.


Buster - are you still giggling sounds of joy? probably stopped shaving this morning, didn't you?

 

[Chiba]

I don't think it's a good idea to have Keisel returning. I really think that they should have Dri Archer do that...

 

[SteelerAl]

But so far Jarvis is not Von Miller so there's a good chance the Steelers sub him out for a DE. Now you need more DE depth and you'd want him to be a pass rusher.

No actually there is zero chance that happens. Lebeau has never put 3 DLs on the field on passing downs. Just because you can dream it, doesn't mean it will happen.

If Jarvis isn't getting the job done, you will see either Arthur Moats in his place or you will see Lebeau moving the chess pieces around (he'll do that in any event) and have Shazier come off the edge with Jarvis dropping to the middle etc.

 

[Spike]

Welcome back Diesel - maybe he can teach these schmoes we have on the DL how to actually play football and not get knocked back on their ***** every play.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Some of you over think things. Its a one year contract. Do you honestly believe that if one of the young guys Mauro or Arnfeldt was really pushing for meaningful snaps that they would have brought Keisel back. If you keep his snaps to say 15-20 Keisel will be an excellent addition. You can't replace veteran savy so easy. He will get the tricks of the trade working with Tuitt and even Heyward who until last year looked like a complete bust, and now is supposed to be the leader of the group. Good move. I'd have preferred Harrison, but I'll live with Keisel.

 

[Steelers1356]

Keisel will start in the RDE spot w Tuitt as his back-up. Tuitt should be ready to roll at RDE by next season. Heyward will start alongside Worilds on the left with Thomas as his back-up.

Let's hope not. I prefer to leave well enough alone, meaning keep Heyward in his comfort zone on the right side where he's settled in nicely. The Tuitt/Keisel combo can be rotated on the left side.

 

[Spike]

Its a one year contract. .

actually

Brett Keisel signs two-year deal with Steelers

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/08/19/steelers-to-re-sign-defensive-end-brett-keisel/

 

[awboatguy]

Some of you over think things. Its a one year contract. Do you honestly believe that if one of the young guys Mauro or Arnfeldt was really pushing for meaningful snaps that they would have brought Keisel back. If you keep his snaps to say 15-20 Keisel will be an excellent addition. You can't replace veteran savy so easy. He will get the tricks of the trade working with Tuitt and even Heyward who until last year looked like a complete bust, and now is supposed to be the leader of the group. Good move. I'd have preferred Harrison, but I'll live with Keisel.

What he said, but with a 2 year deal.

 

[SteelerAl]

actually

Brett Keisel signs two-year deal with Steelers

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/08/19/steelers-to-re-sign-defensive-end-brett-keisel/

It's a one-year deal. The second year is only there so that we only absorb 50% of the signing bonus under the 2014 cap.