Can a defensive player win the Heisman Again? Coolie Pimps Ed Oliver

[Ike Kelly]

Are you going to pimp that conference too? I wouldn't go there if I were you. Look at the teams in it. Most of the West is fodder, and you know it. I am familiar with UCF, that game will be a test, UCF is only rated where they are because of their conference. As soon as they get a loss, watch them fall behind the teams with one loss, maybe two.

Who has the longest unbeaten streak in the nation? Who was ranked 10th last week and will probably rise this week?

“You are familiar with UCF.....” BS. You probably only know about them because of their unbeaten streak. Quit straining, you are going to hurt something.


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[43Hitman]

Congrats Coolie. I watched some and Oliver had an impactful game. I have been following the draft for 2 decades. There is such a thing as noting big games vs. weak oppositions, and that's what we saw. Oliver found a weak interior OL and dominated.

Just because you have been watching the draft for twenty years doesn't mean you know what the **** you're talking about. You keep tootin' your own horn though, while I watch these boys continue to smack you around like a *****.

 

[Coach]

So Coach, Let me get this straight, your argument after yesterday is:

Oliver overpowered a weak opponent to put up monster stats

Conversely you've been arguing:

Oliver has done nothing against weaker opponents.

Now you are arguing with yourself...

My argument is what the film is showing vs. weak opponents. You can follow along in posts in the Arizona game. Arizona is a slightly below average Pac 12 team, so you figure they would be a bit better in the American conference.

Oliver has not impressed me in this game. He has the ability for sure, but I see things I wonder what if he's playing a better college team, and what if this was an NFL offensive line!

We are going to have to wait a while until Oliver faces meaningful competition this year.

Yesterday I did watch some of the Houston game, and they beat a bad football team, with Oliver registered his first sack of the season. For Oliver, the 6th game was a charm as he finally got his first sack of the season.

I can always point out that good players pad their stats vs. weak opposition, especially when you are blowing them out, which has been the case for most of Houston's games.

Even Coolie would likely agree that Oliver was better last season.

 

[Coach]

Who has the longest unbeaten streak in the nation? Who was ranked 10th last week and will probably rise this week?

“You are familiar with UCF.....” BS. You probably only know about them because of their unbeaten streak. Quit straining, you are going to hurt something.


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Ike, what you don't know about football could fill an ocean. As soon as UCF loses, they will take a tumble in the ratings.

If the American Football conference was in the NFL, to use an analogy they would be the Colts, the Jets, the Giants, the 49ers, and the Raiders.

Can you honestly say the competition that Oliver has faced this year has been below average? Here's your chance to show honesty. Surprise me by not ducking this simple question,

 

[Stryker]

My argument is what the film is showing vs. weak opponents. You can follow along in posts in the Arizona game. Arizona is a slightly below average Pac 12 team, so you figure they would be a bit better in the American conference.

Oliver has not impressed me in this game. He has the ability for sure, but I see things I wonder what if he's playing a better college team, and what if this was an NFL offensive line!

We are going to have to wait a while until Oliver faces meaningful competition this year.

Yesterday I did watch some of the Houston game, and they beat a bad football team, with Oliver registered his first sack of the season. For Oliver, the 6th game was a charm as he finally got his first sack of the season.

I can always point out that good players pad their stats vs. weak opposition, especially when you are blowing them out, which has been the case for most of Houston's games.

Even Coolie would likely agree that Oliver was better last season.

You're not arguing with me, I don't have a dog in the race. You're arguing with yourself.

 

[CoolieMan]

Are you going to pimp that conference too? I wouldn't go there if I were you. Look at the teams in it. Most of the West is fodder, and you know it. I am familiar with UCF, that game will be a test, UCF is only rated where they are because of their conference. As soon as they get a loss, watch them fall behind the teams with one loss, maybe two.

But once again, great game vs Oliver, even if it was against one of the worst teams in a weaker conference. That hit he put on the QB just before the pass left early in the game was nice.

yes I'lll pimp the conference as I have throughout this thread. Other than Clemson no one in the ACC, no one should expect to stroll into UH, UCF, USF or Cinn and expect to leave with a victory. Hell Tulsa who is in last place went to Austin and gave UT a scare and they now sit at #9. Any of the top 4 schools would do worse than that to them. UCF will fall if they lose but that might not be until the AAC Championship if UH can get there and pull out the win.

Oliver can only play who is on the schedule this season...so until the championship game or a bowl game, he will not play a team that meets your standards....but as I have said there is film out there of him against quality ranked opponents, including two Heisman winning QBs. All great player feast on weaker opponents, as Oliver did yesterday. Find any top DL who did not have a game against a team like ECU to help their stat line. Hell Oliver basically sat out against the worst team on their schedule and his per games stats are pulled down because of that and he still lads all DL in tackles per game and now is among the leaders in TFLs.

Oliver was at his best as a raw true Freshman...why? Teams hadn't heard of him yet. Winning the Outland Trophy insures all your opponents know who you are and the OC is scheming to quiet you down, and Oliver's stats through 6 games are still right there with this first two seasons

 

[slashsteel]

Ike, what you don't know about football could fill an ocean. As soon as UCF loses, they will take a tumble in the ratings.

If the American Football conference was in the NFL, to use an analogy they would be the Colts, the Jets, the Giants, the 49ers, and the Raiders.

Can you honestly say the competition that Oliver has faced this year has been below average? Here's your chance to show honesty. Surprise me by not ducking this simple question,

coach again you are no football guru, you even struggle to watch a game to properly eval. And when you even watch a little you fail to be able to eval without your feelings involved.

Have you figured what you will be doing with your time off?

With how clever you are I bet you could play in traffic and not get hit.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Ike, what you don't know about football could fill an ocean. As soon as UCF loses, they will take a tumble in the ratings.

If the American Football conference was in the NFL, to use an analogy they would be the Colts, the Jets, the Giants, the 49ers, and the Raiders.

Can you honestly say the competition that Oliver has faced this year has been below average? Here's your chance to show honesty. Surprise me by not ducking this simple question,

Coach, Hahahaha, coming from someone whose op ed on Polamalu is legendary around here, your opinion has even less clout.

Any team who loses will fall in polls Mr. Obvious. And using an analogy of conferences to the NFL teams? Really, that’s your basis? That’s a indicator of lazy reasoning. I thought you graduated high school.

Unlike you, who refuses to acknowledge some questions asked to you, Ive never ducked one of your questions, idiotic as some are.

I can honestly say Oliver can only perform to the opponents on the schedule, of which non-conf teams are determined several years in advanced, probably before he joined the team. From what I’ve seen in watching games since last year, he is rare player. Productive to no end, not just on the stat line (which you only use) but in the game planning. Teams have to account for him otherwise he blows up plays.

You keep harping on the “poor” conference that Oliver plays in.
The AAC is a FBS conference. Not a Power Five conference and do not have the luxury to give partial scholarships, unlike the big Power Five schools. They compete with the teams they are schedule against. Not all teams can be in the Power Five, but some of those schools in the Power Five are comparable to the FBS schools, the AAC being one them, since a few were from a Power Conference, the Big East. What’s important to know is the Big East split up because of the bigger schools were wanting network deals. Conference USA, Atlantic 10 and a couple WAC teams joined and diversified the conference’s regional presence an aid to recruiting and TV.

So it’s no different that these Power Five conferences with their teams that compete, but rarely win against the perennially stacked teams like Bama, Ohio State, USC, etc.

 

[CoolieMan]

yep, Oliver might be better than coach says

https://uhcougars.com/news/2018/10/18/football-oliver-named-lott-impact-trophy-quarterfinalist.aspx

HOUSTON – The nation's leading defensive lineman in tackles, Houston defensive tackle Ed Oliver was named a quarterfinalist for the Lott IMPACT Trophy, the Pacific Club IMPACT Foundation announced Thursday.

Oliver leads all defensive linemen nationally with 46 tackles in only six games, topping the second-best total of 40 held by three players, who have seen action in seven games. The 46 tackles include 11.5 tackles for loss and two sacks. He also leads all Houston players with nine quarterback hurries while forcing one fumble and breaking up a pass.

The Houston native leads all active players nationally with a career average of 1.63 tackles for loss per game, owning 51 career tackles for loss in only 31 games. The 51 are just 15 shy from the Houston career record set by T.J. Turner from 1982-85.

The first underclassman to win the Outland Trophy after a 2017 season that also saw him earn The American Athletic Conference's Defensive Player of the Year honor, Oliver is in his final season of competition at Houston after declaring for the 2019 NFL Draft in March.

Named after Pro Football Hall of Fame member, Ronnie Lott, The Lott IMPACT Trophy is awarded to college football's Defensive IMPACT Player of the Year. Founded in 2004 by The Pacific Club IMPACT Foundation, The Lott Trophy is the first and only college football award to equally recognize athletic performance and the personal character attributes of the player.

 

[Smash]

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Coolie's alter ego?

 

[Coach]

ke Kelly

I can honestly say Oliver can only perform to the opponents on the schedule, of which non-conf teams are determined several years in advanced, probably before he joined the team. From what I’ve seen in watching games since last year, he is rare player. Productive to no end, not just on the stat line (which you only use) but in the game planning. Teams have to account for him otherwise he blows up plays.

You keep harping on the “poor” conference that Oliver plays in.
The AAC is a FBS conference. Not a Power Five conference and do not have the luxury to give partial scholarships, unlike the big Power Five schools. They compete with the teams they are schedule against. Not all teams can be in the Power Five, but some of those schools in the Power Five are comparable to the FBS schools, the AAC being one them, since a few were from a Power Conference, the Big East. What’s important to know is the Big East split up because of the bigger schools were wanting network deals. Conference USA, Atlantic 10 and a couple WAC teams joined and diversified the conference’s regional presence an aid to recruiting and TV.

So it’s no different that these Power Five conferences with their teams that compete, but rarely win against the perennially stacked teams like Bama, Ohio State, USC, etc.

It’s no different than a power five conference? Bawhahahaha. Take garbage to message board with power five teams, and you'll be crushed like a bug.

I acknowledge Oliver has talent, never said he didn't . But I see small man who can be pushed around, with limited pass rush ability, who makes his plays against interior OL men who would be for the most part would be BACK UP’s on top 25 college teams. The film and the facts agree with me.

Oliver is 3rd on his team in tackles, and 3rd in sacks, and thanks to the Cougar’s offenses gets plenty of chances to pad his stats. He is very good at slipping blocks, however he looks to have short arms and won’t be able to do that as well on the next level. It would be nice to see him play the above average SEC or Big Ten teams in 2018, to get a better read on him.

The best thing Coolie has going for him is this appears to be a weaker than average QB class.

If you want to watch his snaps vs Navy vs a very small 280 college center. ( the center wins his share of battle )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euvdmm3v2Rg

 

[ark steel]

As soon as UCF loses, they will take a tumble in the ratings.

Well, ****. Can anyone tell me how this works. Really, very confusing!

 

[CoolieMan]

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Coolie's alter ego?

Coolie doesn't post on other websites and certainly wouldn't be caught dead at that shithole

 

[CoolieMan]

It’s no different than a power five conference? Bawhahahaha. Take garbage to message board with power five teams, and you'll be crushed like a bug.

I acknowledge Oliver has talent, never said he didn't . But I see small man who can be pushed around, with limited pass rush ability, who makes his plays against interior OL men who would be for the most part would be BACK UP’s on top 25 college teams. The film and the facts agree with me.

Oliver is 3rd on his team in tackles, and 3rd in sacks, and thanks to the Cougar’s offenses gets plenty of chances to pad his stats. He is very good at slipping blocks, however he looks to have short arms and won’t be able to do that as well on the next level. It would be nice to see him play the above average SEC or Big Ten teams in 2018, to get a better read on him.

The best thing Coolie has going for him is this appears to be a weaker than average QB class.

If you want to watch his snaps vs Navy vs a very small 280 college center. ( the center wins his share of battle )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euvdmm3v2Rg

wow he is third on his team...but he plays nose tackle mostly....who would think that LBs would get more tackles than a DL??

he also finished 3rd on the team last season, behind two LBs (one who was drafted by the colts and the other who is currently on the browns) the attention he draws gives the LBs behind him a lot more chances.

if the film and facts agree with you...then please explain how he became the first Sophomore to win the Outland Trophy last season?

and the game you link to...you realize Oliver had 14 tackes with 3.5 TFLs and 2 sacks...yeah the center won a lot of battles..and as was evident this past weekend..Navy loves to cut block inside. They were flagged twice saturday and in the 4th quarter he left the game after yet another cut block that wasn't called. Luckily he appears to be okay (currently listed as questionable for the USF game with a knee contusion)

 

[Coach]

wow he is third on his team...but he plays nose tackle mostly....who would think that LBs would get more tackles than a DL??

he also finished 3rd on the team last season, behind two LBs (one who was drafted by the colts and the other who is currently on the browns) the attention he draws gives the LBs behind him a lot more chances.

if the film and facts agree with you...then please explain how he became the first Sophomore to win the Outland Trophy last season?

and the game you link to...you realize Oliver had 14 tackes with 3.5 TFLs and 2 sacks...yeah the center won a lot of battles..and as was evident this past weekend..Navy loves to cut block inside. They were flagged twice saturday and in the 4th quarter he left the game after yet another cut block that wasn't called. Luckily he appears to be okay (currently listed as questionable for the USF game with a knee contusion)

Oliver plays in plenty of four man lines on passing downs, and gets lots of chances as Houston is often blowing out bad college football teams.

Let's talk about his 3 sacks for the year. Vs WHO? Bad teams that's who.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...igan-top-four-ohio-state-stumbles/1723559002/

East Carolina ( 2-5 ), ranked 117th out of 130.

Navy ( 2-5 ) ranked 95th out of 139 ( He didn't solo this sack, the QB moved forward from pressure to behind ). The Navy center was 280 pounds.

^^^ Not my data, just using a 3rd party to illustrate my points.

I think your confused. I think Oliver is a great college football player with a lot of hype attached to him. He's very good at slipping blocks, and could play ILB if you want my opinion. In the NFL vs. much bigger & better center's and guards he's undersized, and won't be nearly as productive.

The Outland trophy is a college award that does not mean a lot for professional prospects. We had one a while back. Remember Kirs Farris He was terrible.

Maybe 1 out of 3 outland Trophy winners have good NFL careers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outland_Trophy

I'm looking at his game as an NFL player. I hope he's a go for the USF game. I saw Oliver guilty of encroachment, it wasn't called in the clips vs Navy. IMO Navy is a simple offense to defend that hits few big plays. Those men are there to serve in the military first, play football second.

 

[CoolieMan]

Oliver plays in plenty of four man lines on passing downs, and gets lots of chances as Houston is often blowing out bad college football teams.

Let's talk about his 3 sacks for the year. Vs WHO? Bad teams that's who.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...igan-top-four-ohio-state-stumbles/1723559002/

East Carolina ( 2-5 ), ranked 117th out of 130.

Navy ( 2-5 ) ranked 95th out of 139 ( He didn't solo this sack, the QB moved forward from pressure to behind ). The Navy center was 280 pounds.

^^^ Not my data, just using a 3rd party to illustrate my points.

I think your confused. I think Oliver is a great college football player with a lot of hype attached to him. He's very good at slipping blocks, and could play ILB if you want my opinion. In the NFL vs. much bigger & better center's and guards he's undersized, and won't be nearly as productive.

The Outland trophy is a college award that does not mean a lot for professional prospects. We had one a while back. Remember Kirs Farris He was terrible.

Maybe 1 out of 3 outland Trophy winners have good NFL careers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outland_Trophy

I'm looking at his game as an NFL player. I hope he's a go for the USF game. I saw Oliver guilty of encroachment, it wasn't called in the clips vs Navy. IMO Navy is a simple offense to defend that hits few big plays. Those men are there to serve in the military first, play football second.

In almost all of those 4 man fronts it is just an LB moving down on the LOS and Oliver stays over the center and doesn't move out over the guard...so it is no different from his perspective than a 3 man front.

you dismiss his sacks against "weak" teams and you dismiss his sacks against Oklahoma and Louisville based on the QBs holding the ball too long, yet you didn't see the games and don't know how the sacks occurred.

Oliver is a lot more powerful at the line than you give him credit for, likely because you don't really watch him play. His power comes from leverage and hand placement, not from his listed weight (stole this comment from a write-up I read, but could not find right now to link to) Oliver will likely not be a NT at the next level...likely a 3...but he is athletic enough to move around the line with the right coaching. He can bull rush the OL and has started developing a spin move (I've only seen him use in a few times).

In addition to his 3 sacks he is credited with 9 QB hurries this season 4 of which came against Arizona.

If you watched them regularly, you would see that except for the Arizona game and the TSU game (which Oliver sat for most of), the other games have been close until at least mid way through the 3rd quarter and when they are comfortably ahead, Oliver leaves the game. He is not in there padding stats when they have a huge lead.

As for the Outland Trophy...it goes mainly to OL players, but going back to 2000 there have been 5 other defensive players win it...Aaron Donald, Ndamukong Suh, Glenn Dorsey, Rien Long and John Henderson...

Suh and Donald have been exceptional. Henderson and Dorsey both had solid careers and Long was out of the league in 3 years..so it would seem (at least since 2000) that 4 out of 5 defensive winners of the Outland Trophy do well in the NFL.

 

[slashsteel]

Oliver plays in plenty of four man lines on passing downs, and gets lots of chances as Houston is often blowing out bad college football teams.

Let's talk about his 3 sacks for the year. Vs WHO? Bad teams that's who.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...igan-top-four-ohio-state-stumbles/1723559002/

East Carolina ( 2-5 ), ranked 117th out of 130.

Navy ( 2-5 ) ranked 95th out of 139 ( He didn't solo this sack, the QB moved forward from pressure to behind ). The Navy center was 280 pounds.

^^^ Not my data, just using a 3rd party to illustrate my points.

I think your confused. I think Oliver is a great college football player with a lot of hype attached to him. He's very good at slipping blocks, and could play ILB if you want my opinion. In the NFL vs. much bigger & better center's and guards he's undersized, and won't be nearly as productive.

The Outland trophy is a college award that does not mean a lot for professional prospects. We had one a while back. Remember Kirs Farris He was terrible.

Maybe 1 out of 3 outland Trophy winners have good NFL careers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outland_Trophy

I'm looking at his game as an NFL player. I hope he's a go for the USF game. I saw Oliver guilty of encroachment, it wasn't called in the clips vs Navy. IMO Navy is a simple offense to defend that hits few big plays. Those men are there to serve in the military first, play football second.

ILBer? coach you are batshit crazy

 

[CoolieMan]

so since 2000 12 OL have won the Outland Trophy. 2 are too new to judge (both injured Robinson & Garnett) so that leaves 10. Robert Gallery won it but was a bust at left tackle although he was okay at left guard, so a push on him. 4 didn't make it 4 years in the league. Of the remaining 5, three had careers over 10 years as starters. One started every game for 6 years before he got injured (Jammal Brown). the other won (Scherff) just a few years ago and and started every game as a pro for 4 years so I would count that as success.

so 5 out of 10 OL who have won the Outland Trophy since 2000 and 4 out of 5 defensive players who won have been successful in the NFL. That is a bit better than 1 out of 3.

 

[Coach]

ILBer? coach you are batshit crazy

I think Oliver could be a very good ILB. He slips blocks very well, moves well, and tackles well.

 

[Ike Kelly]

It’s no different than a power five conference? Bawhahahaha. Take garbage to message board with power five teams, and you'll be crushed like a bug.

I acknowledge Oliver has talent, never said he didn't . But I see small man who can be pushed around, with limited pass rush ability, who makes his plays against interior OL men who would be for the most part would be BACK UP’s on top 25 college teams. The film and the facts agree with me.

Oliver is 3rd on his team in tackles, and 3rd in sacks, and thanks to the Cougar’s offenses gets plenty of chances to pad his stats. He is very good at slipping blocks, however he looks to have short arms and won’t be able to do that as well on the next level. It would be nice to see him play the above average SEC or Big Ten teams in 2018, to get a better read on him.

The best thing Coolie has going for him is this appears to be a weaker than average QB class.

If you want to watch his snaps vs Navy vs a very small 280 college center. ( the center wins his share of battle )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euvdmm3v2Rg

As usual, your reading comprehension is as full as a dribble cup.

It’s also amusing how it takes you over a week to respond to Coolie’s post. Or mine for that matter. But it is you after all. The board expects it.

No different with the Power 5 conferences and their dominant schools. You know BCS schools who routinely qualify for the championship series. If you are going to respond, add “learning how to quote” to your reading comprehension handicap.

To delve into the whole schematics of why Power 5 schools are they are and the how other conferences are treated like little fishes, would take years to explain to you. The NCAA created this monster, once they started TV contracts with the Bowls. That and the fact the playoff scenario could not be (more likely chose not to) replicated like the NCAA basketball tournament, in addition to the media and college football fans pressure on the AD’s, influential alumni and the NCAA at the Power 5 schools money machine (Bowls) interfering with a playoff system.

Why does of all the Power 5 conferences the SEC, remains the Gold standard? Because they were able to figure out a way to satisfy the fan base and the TV markets. By having a conference title game replace the polling ranks. It forced the NCAA to a have a laughable 4 team national championship playoff. Soon all of the BCS conferences will have their own network, and what happens? Instead of Bowl committees, it will be the Comcasts and Direct TVs of the world paying the conference (not the NCAA first) for broadcasting privileges. The problem is college football doesn’t have structure like college basketball.

You see Coach, college basketball can have a Cinderella, because of the 64 (now plus a play in game) slots allow all Div 1 schools an opportunity. College football can’t until the NCAA allows it. There’s usually 4-5 weeks before championship games and Div 2 and 3 have playoffs, the NCAA just doesn’t want to lose any available money from Div 1. So there will always be the have or have nots because of the Power conferences in Div 1. They aren’t going away either, so all the FBS schools will play the role they are in. In the Power football conferences there will always be the Vanderbilts, Northwesterns, Wake Forests, Iowa States. Not unlike the FBS schools themselves. It’s just those schools are lucky to be in the Power 5.

That is the difference between the Power schools and the FBS schools. So take your read 3 words out of 15 in a sentence logic and laugh it up elsewhere. The other board is still up. You can argue with yourself (or Joel) there.


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[Coach]

As usual, your reading comprehension is as full as a dribble cup.

It’s also amusing how it takes you over a week to respond to Coolie’s post. Or mine for that matter.

I was on 3-day vacation fool. If you really that obsessed check when I log on and out. You're a nimrod, I laugh at your stuff when I see it. If you think I avoid your replies your memory needs to be checked out.

If you think the SEC or Big Ten is even with the American Conference, then you sir need some help. The competition in the American conference is weak, and Oliver's games where he has sacks in 2018 were vs two bad football teams. Do you even watch him play? He gets pushed around by a 280 pound center at times, who would maybe be 3rd string in top 20 rated football programs.

 

[CoolieMan]

I was on 3-day vacation fool. If you really that obsessed check when I log on and out. You're a nimrod, I laugh at your stuff when I see it. If you think I avoid your replies your memory needs to be checked out.

If you think the SEC or Big Ten is even with the American Conference, then you sir need some help. The competition in the American conference is weak, and Oliver's games where he has sacks in 2018 were vs two bad football teams. Do you even watch him play? He gets pushed around by a 280 pound center at times, who would maybe be 3rd string in top 20 rated football programs.

give the American conference the millions that the Power 5 schools get and they would be just as competitive....at least as competitive as the Big 12 or Pac-12 Hell Ohio State just took an *** whooping from Purdue....Purdue.....

watching a few series or plays is not watching Oliver play. EVERY player gets blocked now and then, but very few can do what Oliver can do.

 

[Coach]

give the American conference the millions that the Power 5 schools get and they would be just as competitive....at least as competitive as the Big 12 or Pac-12 Hell Ohio State just took an *** whooping from Purdue....Purdue.....

watching a few series or plays is not watching Oliver play. EVERY player gets blocked now and then, but very few can do what Oliver can do.

The system is set up the way it is. Ohio State would steam roll Houston. Their season is not done, but I think Meyer an excellent football coach deserved this one. Purdue has won four games in a row, just a hunch if they were added to the American Conference this year, they would have an even better record.


I have watched all of Oliver's snaps vs Navy, plus half of them vs Arizona, in addition to highlight clips and some real time action vs East Carolina. I'd say I'm getting to be familiar with his strengths and weaknesses.

If Marquez Stevenson is fast enough, he might be drafted. Hard to tell how good he really is vs the DB's he plays. The sophomore is rather productive.

King is a good college QB, but too small for the NFL.

 

[CoolieMan]

The system is set up the way it is. Ohio State would steam roll Houston. Their season is not done, but I think Meyer an excellent football coach deserved this one. Purdue has won four games in a row, just a hunch if they were added to the American Conference this year, they would have an even better record.


I have watched all of Oliver's snaps vs Navy, plus half of them vs Arizona, in addition to highlight clips and some real time action vs East Carolina. I'd say I'm getting to be familiar with his strengths and weaknesses.

If Marquez Stevenson is fast enough, he might be drafted. Hard to tell how good he really is vs the DB's he plays. The sophomore is rather productive.

King is a good college QB, but too small for the NFL.

OSU would have their hands full at least for a while...they would likely pull the game out, but they would not blow out the Cougars.

Meyer is an *** and I would love to see him melt down before the season ends

from your write up it is evident you don't know how to judge a player....you let your personal feelings effect what you are watching.

King is a reincarnation of Greg Ward Jr...and that is good enough for college ball

 

[Ike Kelly]

I was on 3-day vacation fool. If you really that obsessed check when I log on and out. You're a nimrod, I laugh at your stuff when I see it. If you think I avoid your replies your memory needs to be checked out.

If you think the SEC or Big Ten is even with the American Conference, then you sir need some help. The competition in the American conference is weak, and Oliver's games where he has sacks in 2018 were vs two bad football teams. Do you even watch him play? He gets pushed around by a 280 pound center at times, who would maybe be 3rd string in top 20 rated football programs.

Sure......vacation. Right. Whatever Joel.

Again, you can’t READ. Tell me where in any of my posts did I say a Power 5 conference is even with the AAC? I said Power 5 Conferences have comparable schools to FBS schools. The Dukes, Rutgers, Utah’s and TCU teams would be more comparable as a example, than say the Bama’s, LSU, Georgia, OSU, Penn State, Michigan, Clemson, Miami, Va Tech, Texas, OU or WVU you friggin idiot.

Oh and unlike you I’ve watched Oliver play since Coolie started pimping him last year. Seen him play numerous games on TV in 2017, and this year in addition to taped games. You have even admitted that you’ve watched maybe only 2 games in full so you think you have him pegged. Yeah I’m a nimrod.....you head is so full of biased BS you couldn’t think objectively to save your life. The kid won the Outland as a sophomore. He has had numerous evaluators projecting him to be a Heisman candidate and 1st round Pro. You have maybe 100 snaps and think you are more clever than any professional. You are an arrogant tool who couldn’t get out of your own way to debate an opinion.


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