Can a defensive player win the Heisman Again? Coolie Pimps Ed Oliver

[CoolieMan]

What's the deal with his knee? Is Oliver pulling a Bosa? Bosa had surgery so he has some sort of excuse.

he took multiple chop blocks to his knee during the game against Navy. They called it a bruised knee, but it had to be more serious than that. They showed the play that knocked him out of the game a few times again last night and I don't see how the refs missed calling a penalty on that play, it was ugly.

 

[Coach]

he took multiple chop blocks to his knee during the game against Navy. They called it a bruised knee, but it had to be more serious than that. They showed the play that knocked him out of the game a few times again last night and I don't see how the refs missed calling a penalty on that play, it was ugly.

If it was only a bruise he should have been back by now. I want him to play vs better competition, maybe UCF. Of course Oliver can't prove it at the Senior Bowl and it he was eligible I suspect he'd skip that game.


Navy is bad. 2-8. Oliver did get a sack in the game, but I also saw him having trouble vs an undersized college center. As I have pointed out before the sacks Oliver gets in 2018 are vs bad non-power 5 teams.

I'm very curious as to why draft sites have not mentioned his lack of pass rush ability, and how the lower level competition at times win their share of battles vs him. It must be hype and lack of film research.


I put zero stock in Kiper and McShay and suspect these guys have relationships with agents to say good things.

 

[Ghost of Frenchy Fuqua]

Oliver won't take off his jacket. While I agree this is silly, breaking a team rule and not returning to the sideline won't help his draft status...

Bingo. And that's exactly why he'll play next week. During the telecast, ESPN showed that Oliver is slipping down Kiper's draft board "because he's missed the last three (now four) games."

So Oliver's play-it-safe approach clearly is having the opposite effect. Then blowing up at Major last night over the coat only adds to the doubt that some teams will have.

A couple of things: Oliver must have forgotten that ESPN's cameras were on during the pregame. They showed him running around, jumping high to catch passes and landing squarely on both legs, smiling and cutting up the whole time. Nary a grimace.

No doubt he's being a prima donna; Applewhite, who's very bright, knows this and is bothered by it. He's paid to win games. My hunch is that Oliver could have played last week, too.

At this point Major's bigger concern is the severity of the knee injury to QB D'Eriq King that forced him to miss the second half last night. Without him, UH has little or no chance at Memphis.

 

[CoolieMan]

If it was only a bruise he should have been back by now. I want him to play vs better competition, maybe UCF. Of course Oliver can't prove it at the Senior Bowl and it he was eligible I suspect he'd skip that game.


Navy is bad. 2-8. Oliver did get a sack in the game, but I also saw him having trouble vs an undersized college center. As I have pointed out before the sacks Oliver gets in 2018 are vs bad non-power 5 teams.

I'm very curious as to why draft sites have not mentioned his lack of pass rush ability, and how the lower level competition at times win their share of battles vs him. It must be hype and lack of film research.


I put zero stock in Kiper and McShay and suspect these guys have relationships with agents to say good things.

I don't think anyone cares what you want. There is film of him against top ranked schools. He did not get any worse from last season to this one.

Oliver is protecting himself....he is going to be rich. I do hope he is out there next week though and that Memphis knocks of SMU but drops the game against UH so Oliver can line up against UCF in the Conference Championship game.

There was about a minute and a half left in the first half when Applewhite approached Oliver. A good coach would have just waited until halftime and spoken to Oliver in the locker room about the jacket issue, and certainly wouldn't have been pushing the jacket off Oliver as he spoke to him.

Can't think of which coach said it but you should treat all players fairly, but that doesn't mean you treat them the same.

 

[Ghost of Frenchy Fuqua]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Oilver if King is ruled out because of the knee injury.

Would Ed still play then?

BTW: It wasn't that cold at the game last night. I'm surprised that Oliver, who was layered up to begin with, felt he needed that long, heavy coat. He might even have put it on to get Major's goat.

 

[CoolieMan]

At this point Major's bigger concern is the severity of the knee injury to QB D'Eriq King that forced him to miss the second half last night. Without him, UH has little or no chance at Memphis.

It looked pretty bad....I wouldn't say they have no chance. If Carr can run like he did and the defense control Memphis's offense, Tune (who looked okay last night) could be good enough. He is not as athletic as King, but he was not a statue back there and had some decent runs for first downs.

I think Oliver would play to show he is healthy and that he has put the idiotic bullshit with Applewhite aside

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

If it was only a bruise he should have been back by now. I want him to play vs better competition, maybe UCF. Of course Oliver can't prove it at the Senior Bowl and it he was eligible I suspect he'd skip that game.


Navy is bad. 2-8. Oliver did get a sack in the game, but I also saw him having trouble vs an undersized college center. As I have pointed out before the sacks Oliver gets in 2018 are vs bad non-power 5 teams.

I'm very curious as to why draft sites have not mentioned his lack of pass rush ability, and how the lower level competition at times win their share of battles vs him. It must be hype and lack of film research.


I put zero stock in Kiper and McShay and suspect these guys have relationships with agents to say good things.

go the **** away ,, you dumb *** douche... omg..

 

[ark steel]

I think Oliver is up for the Cy Young and the Golden Glove award this year, too.

 

[CoolieMan]

He's also in consideration for a Nobel Peace Prize

 

[Coach]

Bingo. And that's exactly why he'll play next week. During the telecast, ESPN showed that Oliver is slipping down Kiper's draft board "because he's missed the last three (now four) games."

So Oliver's play-it-safe approach clearly is having the opposite effect. Then blowing up at Major last night over the coat only adds to the doubt that some teams will have.

A couple of things: Oliver must have forgotten that ESPN's cameras were on during the pregame. They showed him running around, jumping high to catch passes and landing squarely on both legs, smiling and cutting up the whole time. Nary a grimace.

No doubt he's being a prima donna; Applewhite, who's very bright, knows this and is bothered by it. He's paid to win games. My hunch is that Oliver could have played last week, too.

At this point Major's bigger concern is the severity of the knee injury to QB D'Eriq King that forced him to miss the second half last night. Without him, UH has little or no chance at Memphis.

^^^ Hammer meet nail.

Agree with you on Oliver and King. Oliver has a sophomore center and freshman guard starting for Memphis. He should do well.

King is a decent spread the ball around type of Qb who's too small for the NFL.

 

[Coach]

He's also in consideration for a Nobel Peace Prize

James Connner already won the " No-Bell " prize.

 

[CoolieMan]

James Connner already won the " No-Bell " prize.

this might be the funniest thing you ever posted

 

[mr peeples]

He's not even projected in the top 10, nor as the top DT on the board. That being said, very doubtful he will win the Heisey.

 

[CoolieMan]

He's not even projected in the top 10, nor as the top DT on the board. That being said, very doubtful he will win the Heisey.

most projections have him as #2 behind Bosa....some have now moved Quinnen Williams in DT1 slot with Oliver right behind him....Only you and coach seem to think this thread ever stated Oliver had a real shot at the Heisman....

 

[mr peeples]

most projections have him as #2 behind Bosa....some have now moved Quinnen Williams in DT1 slot with Oliver right behind him....Only you and coach seem to think this thread ever stated Oliver had a real shot at the Heisman....

Yes, forgive us for being so silly to read the title of the post.

 

[ark steel]

He's not even projected in the top 10, nor as the top DT on the board. That being said, very doubtful he will win the Heisey.

I posted several mocks showing him projected in the top 10. Only one was outside. 11, i think.

 

[CoolieMan]

Yes, forgive us for being so silly to read the title of the post.

thread titles have very little to do with how the threads end up...and find one post where I said Oliver would win the award

 

[mr peeples]

thread titles have very little to do with how the threads end up...and find one post where I said Oliver would win the award

Can a defensive player win the Heisman Again? Coolie Pimps Ed Oliver

not likely....but two national guys wrote stories about my guy Ed Oliver....the second one below is more about how he was raised....

This is a kid to watch play next season.....

You said "not likely" but read the title. So what you are saying, is when you make an assertion, you don't really mean it?

And, it's perfectly normal for the title of threads to not really convey what the thread is about? Wow, that sure is odd.

So if I start a thread untitled "Conner blows his ACL" but the thread is actually about his stamp collection, that would be totally acceptable and in the norm here?

Well, that's a 1st. But I'll try to conform to these unique standards.

 

[CoolieMan]

You said "not likely" but read the title. So what you are saying, is when you make an assertion, you don't really mean it?

And, it's perfectly normal for the title of threads to not really convey what the thread is about? Wow, that sure is odd.

So if I start a thread untitled "Conner blows his ACL" but the thread is actually about his stamp collection, that would be totally acceptable and in the norm here?

Well, that's a 1st. But I'll try to conform to these unique standards.

no that would not be acceptable........Coolie pimps Ed Oliver was added after the thread started to show it was just a thread to pimp Oliver as a player to watch.....not that I have to explain myself to a ******* troll. You're coming in way late to a thread and trying to respond to the initial postings....the thread diverted from the initial discussion and evolved to me pimping my boy Oliver.

 

[slashsteel]

no that would not be acceptable........Coolie pimps Ed Oliver was added after the thread started to show it was just a thread to pimp Oliver as a player to watch.....not that I have to explain myself to a ******* troll. You're coming in way late to a thread and trying to respond to the initial postings....the thread diverted from the initial discussion and evolved to me pimping my boy Oliver.

That cat is just trying to stir your pot, just tell him to go **** himself.

 

[Coach]

most projections have him as #2 behind Bosa....some have now moved Quinnen Williams in DT1 slot with Oliver right behind him....Only you and coach seem to think this thread ever stated Oliver had a real shot at the Heisman....

Check again, Oliver has been falling. Other pass rushes are bumping him down the ladder, not just Bosa or Williams. You should be getting nervous. I will say you the QB class is on the weak side, and that helps you.

Coolie, of all the mock draft sites, I respect Walter football the most. You know where he has Big Ed? #11. GULP.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2019.php

The combine will reveal a shorter man who plays below his listed weight, with shorter arms ( by my eye, not that I saw a tape measurement on the arms ) who isn't a pass rusher, and can be pushed around by college centers and guards, most of whom would be back up in a power 5 conference. YUIKES! Yes, Oliver is an excellent shed and tackle player, let's see that vs top college players this season please.

I do not think he will be as good in this department in the NFL. He's a DL 3, not a 5 or a 0. NFL OL players will out weight him, and use their longer arms to prevent his sheding game from being as effective. Oliver isn't a bull rusher, nor he is Warren Sapp quick to explode through the gaps. Where's the beef? er, sacks? He's tries very hard, I'll give him that.

The jacket thing won't hurt him much if he knows how to handle questions, as most teams will be asking about it.

 

[Coach]

I posted several mocks showing him projected in the top 10. Only one was outside. 11, i think.

Most mock draft sites are slower to change. I have often said this player would be a steal at XYZ, only to see him rocket up the mock draft board weeks later. The Kentucky pass rusher, Josh Allen was at the end of round one. Not a chance I thought...now he's much higher. Allen only has 13 sacks, 17.5 tackles for losses, 5 Forced Fumbles, and 4 PD's...in the SEC. WOW, such a man who looks very quick and fast isn't going outside the top ten unless there is an injury or character issues. Nope, nope, nope. He should pass Oliver too, but hasn't yet on mock draft sites, or at least on Walter football. Can you smell what I'm cookin' Art?


I'm loving this thread. Me vs. the Mock draft sites on a guy they pegged #1 months ago partly due to hype. He's falling fast. And the combine won't help him on height or weight, rather they will downgrade him a tad.

 

[slashsteel]

Most mock draft sites are slower to change. I have often said this player would be a steal at XYZ, only to see him rocket up the mock draft board weeks later. The Kentucky pass rusher, Josh Allen was at the end of round one. Not a chance I thought...now he's much higher. Allen only has 13 sacks, 17.5 tackles for losses, 5 Forced Fumbles, and 4 PD's...in the SEC. WOW, such a man who looks very quick and fast isn't going outside the top ten unless there is an injury or character issues. Nope, nope, nope. He should pass Oliver too, but hasn't yet on mock draft sites, or at least on Walter football. Can you smell what I'm cookin' Art?


I'm loving this thread. Me vs. the Mock draft sites on a guy they pegged #1 months ago partly due to hype. He's falling fast. And the combine won't help him on height or weight, rather they will downgrade him a tad.

I will be loving it once Oliver gets picked in the top 10.



If you can smell

lalalala

what I am cookin.

 

[Coach]

I will be loving it once Oliver gets picked in the top 10.



If you can smell

lalalala

what I am cookin.

I smell the hype wearing off. Oliver was benched on Friday in the second half, and crying on the sideline. Just two tackles and 1 assisted tackles for #10. No sacks. That's it.

In addition, draft webs sites, at least one like Walter football which does their own homework has Oliver sinking in status. Take note on what I said weeks before they did. The air is coming out of the hype ballon, SlashSteel. Oliver now listed as their 4th DT player at Walter Football.


http://walterfootball.com/draft2019DT.php


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Quinnen Williams**, DT, Alabama
Height: 6-4. Weight: 289.
Projected 40 Time: 4.89.
Projected Round (2019): Top-10.
11/17/18: WalterFootball.com was the first in the media to report and project that Williams could be a high first-round pick in the 2019 NFL Draft. Sources from multiple teams, including two general managers, were raving about Williams to me before the other media caught on to him.

Williams was utterly dominant against LSU. He used devastating speed, power, and technique to beat the interior of the Tigers' line. Williams beat double teams from the guard and center for sacks, plus stuffed runs at the point of attack. For the day, he totaled 2.5 sacks, 3.5 tackles for a loss and 10 tackles. Williams' outing against LSU was one of the most impressive performances I have seen by a defensive lineman in years. It was probably the best since Myles Garrett (2015) or Jadeveon Clowney (2012) during their amazing sophomore seasons.

There is no doubt that Williams is a freak athlete. He is extremely fast off the snap with the ability to fire his gap and close on the quarterback in a hurry. He has functional strength to bull rush through blockers, or grab them and toss them aside. On top of his great skill set, Williams shows impressive technique with his hand placement and has a variety in pass-rushing moves. With his sawed-off body, Williams has natural pad level and leverage.

In speaking with NFL sources, Williams is grading out higher than Houston defensive tackle Ed Oliver, Auburn's Derrick Brown, Alabama teammate Raekwon Davis, Mississippi State's Jeff Simmons and either member of the Clemson duo of Christian Wilkins and Dexter Lawrence. None of those players have a tape from this season as impressive as how Williams dominated LSU.

In 2018, Williams has 49 tackles with 14 tackles for a loss, five sacks and one pass batted. He has caused more disruption than the numbers indicate, including routinely wrecking offensive game plans this year

If his measurements are legit, he could be a good fit as a three-technique in a 4-3 defense or as a five-technique in a 3-4.



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Derrick Brown*, DT, Auburn
Height: 6-4. Weight: 322.
Projected 40 Time: 4.95.
Projected Round (2019): Top-16.
11/17/18: Brown has played well this season while taking on a bunch of double teams. He is fast and powerful at the point of attack. Some scouts are really high on him and feel he has huge upside due to still being a very young player. He is up to 37 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 9.5 tackles for a loss and one forced fumble so far in 2018. He played well versus LSU, Washington, and helping to lead a comeback against Texas A&M.

8/29/18: According to NFL teams' preseason data provided by team sources, Brown checks in at 6-foot-4, 322-pounds with 34.25 inch arms, 8.5 inch hands, and 82.75 wing span. They him down at 4.95 seconds in the 40-yard dash.

In many years, Brown would be the consensus-No. 1 interior defensive lineman; however, in this loaded draft class, Brown might go behind some other elite defensive line talents. Still, team sources love Brown with his quickness to push the pocket and the strength that he plays with. They see him as a three-technique for a 4-3, and he could play as a one-technique as well. Sources say they see Brown as a future first-round talent.

In 2017, Brown was a really solid interior lineman for Auburn. He was a tough run defender and contributed some in the pass rush. He totaled 56 tackles with nine tackles for a loss, 3.5 sacks and two forced fumbles for the year. Brown has the upside to get better as he gains experience.


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Jeffery Simmons*, DT, Mississippi State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 301.
Projected 40 Time: 4.95.
Projected Round (2019): Top-25.
11/17/18: Simmons has 48 tackles with 11.5 tackles for a loss and two passes batted on the season. He has played well despite facing a ton of double teams.

This season in the Hot Press, we reported how one team's scout said they were going to fight for Simmons in pre-draft meetings after doing their research into the background of Simmons. They said that the staff at Mississippi State and contacts at his hometown town speak highly of Simmons. He will have a lot of scrutiny because of a tape of him in a street fight, but there is no doubt that Simmons is a top-20 talent for the NFL. If team evaluators are comfortable with Simmons off the field, that could send his stock soaring high into the first round of the 2019 NFL Draft.

8/29/18: Simmons is extremely talented athletically and possesses a ton of upside. In 2017, he totaled 60 tackles with 12 tackles for a loss, five sacks, two forced fumbles and one pass batted. As a freshman, he had 40 tackles with two forced fumbles. While Simmons is a great athlete with a superb skill set, he comes with off-the-field baggage, including a video of him striking a woman with multiple punches in a street fight. Similar to Joe Mixon, that video could cause Simmons to slide in his draft class.


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Ed Oliver*, DT, Houston
Height: 6-3. Weight: 290.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2019): Top-25.
11/17/18: Oliver has been excellent this year, showing his great speed and motor, and still managing to produce despite double or triple teams. He has 51 tackles with 13.5 tackles for a loss, three sacks, one forced fumble, and a pass batted on the season. A knee injury has caused Oliver to miss three games.

This season in the Hot Press, we wrote about how not all NFL teams view Oliver as a high first-round pick. Sources say that Houston has Oliver weighing in at 275 pounds and having played as heavy as 282. The Cougars staff says that 285-290 pounds is too heavy for Oliver. He also is shorter than his listed height. Oliver does not have great strength, as he can struggle with mass and double teams. Some sources say that they are grading Oliver as a late first-round pick and expect him to go in the middle of Round 1.

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2019DT.php#ixzz5XiPaWhIm
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2019DT.php#XmvszwwrkqyC3g2t.99


>>>> Hmmm, shorter than listed, lighter than just about all DT's, moved easy, not a pass rusher. You heard that here first Also, I'm calling it now, his arms are shorter than other top prospects.

And don't forget to read the later part, middle of the first round to a late first round pick. They ( mock draft web sites ) are starting to get it. Top ten in the 2019 NFL draft for Oliver? Not likely!

 

[CoolieMan]

Oliver was not benched. He didn't play due to his knee acting up. He was upset on the sideline because he wanted to have the shot at a conference title which is now out of reach.

Your opinion just doesn't ******* matter and neither does the only website that matches your opinion