he did a handful of plays from one game, earlier in this thread, but it was apparent he was clueless about what was going on.
Can a defensive player win the Heisman Again? Coolie Pimps Ed Oliver
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he did a handful of plays from one game, earlier in this thread, but it was apparent he was clueless about what was going on.
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I'm a bit confused on where you stand on Oliver. Are you just claimimng he won;t be a top 10 or even first round pick, or are you saying you think he will be a total bust in the NFL.
Based on all your analysis,. you seem to think he will suck in the NFL. So what is your prediction on him? Hall of famer, Pro Bowler, solid starter, mediocre starter, backup, or out of the league in less than 5 years?
You've never seen coaches drool over performance at a combine then.
And yes, a freak 40 time is coveted now in this RPO/ track/ Mobile QB league we have now, and if you watched Oliver play, you'd see him tracking down mobile QBs from behind. Dude is a cheetah in a bear's body!
from a guy who does know a lot about the drat and those involved
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I'm claiming he won't be a top ten pick in the 2019 draft and have a bet with Coolie on the topic. As such I'm showing video comment and stats on why he isn't top ten material, even if a very thin QB draft. My argument is CON, so you see more comments that are CON to the question. I do think Oliver will be picked somewhere in round one.
As I stated he is not a scheme-flexible Defensive lineman, and won't be able to play 4-3 end, 3-4 end, or 3-4 NT ( unless there is such a there a 280-pound nose tackle the NFL today. )
As stated he's not a pass rusher, despite many chances vs relatively weak completion. The DT's that rushed the passer well in college like Donald, Sapp, or Suh, for example, all had 10 sacks seasons or better. The best Oliver ever did was 5.5 sacks a year, and he did it in a weaker conference. I also noted his sacks this year, all three of them came against lowly ranked teams like Navy or Eastern Carolina.
On film he gets pushed backward by college guys, I ponder what an NFL center or guard would do to him, giving up 30-50 pounds.
All of the above are facts. I don't see top ten value for such a player, but it only took one dumb team to pick Tim Tebow in round one, so it can happen.
As for where he pans out in the NFL, I'd really like to see him play in a college all-star games. Any of them. Too bad he doesn't qualify for the senior bowl.
Before I make a prediction on what type of player he will be, I too would like to see his combine numbers. If Oliver skips the combine, RED FLAG. He needs to interview well and explain his two crying incidents and preform vs the other DT's under the same roof. A pro day only guy, ( unless he's injured ) avoids the stress.
Combine Predictions for Oliver: He's shorter than 6'3" tall and weights under 285 pounds, with shorter than average arms. I'll say 6'1 1/2 283 pounds with 32" arms.
He should run well and jump well.
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The guys sensitive Coolie. We saw it in back to back weeks. I'm not saying he's a bad apple type, but what happened will not help him.
Major Applewhite knows he needs him to win games, and if Applewhite is successful, he's moving to a more significant program.
Houston knows they need Oliver for recruiting, they will kiss his @ss.
of course it won't help...but it shouldn't hurt him either.
you don't know **** about the guy except for a few seconds of video. Scouts dig deeper than that, and I'm sure teams will ask the question at the combine.
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none of those are "facts", those are your opinion. and you know what you can do with your opinion
so by your estimate he will be the roughly the same size as Aaron Donald (6'1" - 285# - 32 5/8 arms)
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I've watched at least three games worth ofhis snaps on film. That's a bit more than a few seconds
I think I do knowsomething about him Coolie. Be sure to look for the stuff I said beingpresented in different words on the web after they catch up on the filmreviews. I never said I was a scout, so your point is mootunless you can post one of their reports on him in detail here. But since I got your attention, do you predict a sack in the bowl game? Will Oliverend the season with just 3 sacks, in nine games played?
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LOL, Donald had 11 sacks, 28.5 tackles for a loss, and 4 forced fumbles in his final season, which blows Oliver out of the water! You can pick and choose stats from Oliver's three seasons and he still would not measure up! FACT.
Donald also proved it in a tougher conference and stood out in the senior bowl.
And by the way Donald who I thought would be excellent wasn't a top 10 overall pick in his draft class either.
I didn't say anything about stats. I was comparing size. since you predicted Oliver's measurements.
as for the other comment about the amount of film. My comment was regarding his composure on the sideline, not skills on the field. In your "extensive" film review did you find even one instance of him acting up on the field? Never mind, I've watched him three years and he never acts like a turd on the field and other than the few seconds of his "jacket gate" and his emotions on the sideline during the Memphis game there has not been anything like that either. As for the few tears...I've known a few star Steeler players to tear up after a big loss...it shows more about how he feels about the team and the game than any weakness on his part
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Donald had 11 sacks, 28.5 tackles for a loss, and 4 forced fumbles in his final season, which blows Oliver out of the water! You can pick and choose stats from Oliver's three seasons and he still would not measure up! FACT.
Donald also proved it in a tougher conference and stood out in the senior bowl.
And by the way Donald who I thought would be excellent wasn't a top 10 overall pick in his draft class either.
Of course you'll stay away from accomplishments on the field and quality of competition played as you not going to win there. I never saw any college player this year cry on the field. Tears in football are for bad injuries, not trivial stuff.
Donald was clearly the better college player. If you're undersized as Oliver is, you better be a very good pass rush as a defensive tackle, which Oliver isn't.
Donald also proved it in a tougher conference and stood out in the senior bowl.
And by the way Donald who I thought would be excellent wasn't a top 10 overall pick in his draft class either.
Of course you'll stay away from accomplishments on the field and quality of competition played as you not going to win there. I never saw any college player this year cry on the field. Tears in football are for bad injuries, not trivial stuff.
Donald was clearly the better college player. If you're undersized as Oliver is, you better be a very good pass rush as a defensive tackle, which Oliver isn't.
no dumbass, you posted your guess on what Oliver's measurements would be at the combine. So I just stated that they would be similar to Donald's.....
You put Oliver on any Power 5 school and he would not have been playing NT most of the time. UH used him there so he could cover plays to both sides of the formation. Oliver would have played DT at a bigger school and done exceptionally well since the opponent could not focus so much attention on him. There is a reason that each of the last three seasons a UH LB has had his best season playing behind Oliver on defense.
I don't give a **** if you've seen anyone else cry on the sideline...What is trivial to you doesn't matter, the game meant a lot to Oliver and he wanted a shot at the Conference Championship.
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Yo Coolie. I saw an all American tv segment. I forget which station I was watching. Randy Cross was one of the commentators ( Don't like him ).
Anyway, Oliver didn't make their pick for All American, but there was a segment that featured him on the field in street clothes talking, playing that lawn game where you throw a beanie through the hole.
My goodness, Oliver is small for a defensive tackle. " Tiny Ed " is not going to play the run well in the NFL. Some on the panel suggest he moves to end, but he does not have that type of skill set. Small & not a pass rusher. Stats mostly come from weaker opposition in 2018.
Don't compare him to Aaron Donald. Donald is much stronger. And he blew him away as a pass rusher. The detailed mock draft websites are moving Oliver backward, and say things like many teams we spoke to view him as a mid-round pick in round one.
Anyway, Oliver didn't make their pick for All American, but there was a segment that featured him on the field in street clothes talking, playing that lawn game where you throw a beanie through the hole.
My goodness, Oliver is small for a defensive tackle. " Tiny Ed " is not going to play the run well in the NFL. Some on the panel suggest he moves to end, but he does not have that type of skill set. Small & not a pass rusher. Stats mostly come from weaker opposition in 2018.
Don't compare him to Aaron Donald. Donald is much stronger. And he blew him away as a pass rusher. The detailed mock draft websites are moving Oliver backward, and say things like many teams we spoke to view him as a mid-round pick in round one.
Consistent stay consistent.
Coach you are like a energizer bunny, that agenda keep agenda.
Coach you are like a energizer bunny, that agenda keep agenda.
I didn't like the pick. My draft is better. I didn't like him as a 1st rounder but for a 3rd maybe. Youll see i'm right. ~ coachisms. When you feel you need to make it all about you to feel better and more important somehow. When reality is, that no one gives a damn.
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Hindsight has a way of agreeing with me more often than not. If you applaud dolt picks like Golson or Archer, that's your business. I blast them when they happen, and after the fact.
Message boards are about opinions, I like to give mine. You must like to reply to them
they are about opinions.
But honest to god , you have mental issues.
But honest to god , you have mental issues.
I don't think Aaron played NT in college....much harder to be a huge sack artist from the NT spot. OLiver missed 4 games and still made 1st team All American on a couple of lists...
you keep spouting the same **** and it is tiresome....
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Oliver had many chances to rush the passer in 4 man lines, only getting sacks vs. two very lowly rated teams for 8 games played. In other words he was shut out in 6 games. Don't even compare him to Donald as a pass rusher. I was shocked at how small Oliver looked out of pads. Levon Kirkland looked bigger. WOW.
As a NT vs the run, Oliver was pushed backward too often. He opted out of his bowl game. Would like to see Oliver play in a college all star game. If he came back and played, the knee can't be that bad.
the vast majority of UH's 4 man lines is a LB stepping up to the LOS but Oliver would stay in his NT position, not shift out to a 3.
You are on Oliver's *** about opting out of the bowl game but swing from Bosa's dick and he did it much earlier...he if wanted he could have tried to return in time for the bowl game....
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Todd McShay doesn't even list Oliver #1 at Edge or DT now. Face it Collie, yer boy is dropping in stock. NFL scout scouts will see it. Too short, too light, not strong enough, not a pass rusher at all and played vs weaker competition Oh he's got some growing up issues as well. I still think he'll go in round one. Could slide well past pick #10.
Forget May 2018. Lets talk what he said a few days ago In December 2018:
https://ftw.usatoday.com/gallery/es...cshay-picks-the-top-prospect-at-each-position
suck a glock asshat. He may be shorter than average DT, but he plays with exceptional leverage based on his ability to get his hands on the OL and his strength and is quicker than any other DL prospect.
All that matters is how team needs line up during the draft.....none of your "analysis" is worth the space it takes on this website.
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Someone's upset ^^^
Teams need big DT's who can rush the passer. Over does not fit that mold. Since you watch Houston all the time, you can explain to me why college players who won't sniff the combine push him backwards.
Not me....
you are just full of ****.
NFL teams want DT who can stuff the run and pressure the QB...Oliver is elite at stopping the run, he was solid at getting pressure on the QB and if he spent more time out of the NT position he would have had more sacks....(and stop with the 4 man front bullshit, Oliver still lined up at NT when a LB stepped up to the LOS), Oliver was not routinely pushed backwards, especially by just one player. He routinely drew double teams (as all elite players do) and more than held his own....otherwise how would he have made as many tackles and TFLs as he did? I would hope you realize that some times when he is off the LOS he is fighting to get to the outside where the ball is headed and not being pushed there by the OL....He gets outside and downfield better than any NT. He won't play there in the NFL though obviously.