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Can a defensive player win the Heisman Again? Coolie Pimps Ed Oliver

Ike Kelly said:
Gotta wonder.....Coach probably has that acid taste in his mouth right now.


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ARE you saying Coach takes acid............ WELL that explains a lot of things..................................





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CoolieMan said:
the only problem with your post is that it is unlikely that Oliver lasts long enough to make it feasible for the Steelers to make a move to get him.

well that and the fact that the post is very hard to read
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ADD in that he is expecting coaches to actually coach.................something this staff hasn't shown a lot of





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https://nypost.com/2019/04/22/jets-sudden-ed-oliver-nfl-draft-buzz-legit-or-raiders-smokescreen/

The Jets’ draft may feature an Oliver twist.

There has been buzz in recent days that the Jets may be interested in selecting Houston defensive lineman Ed Oliver with the No. 3-overall pick. For months, the belief has been if the Jets could not trade back, they would take Alabama defensive lineman Quinnen Williams, Kentucky edge rusher Josh Allen or Ohio State edge rusher Nick Bosa, if he fell to them.

But now there is speculation around the league that Oliver may be the choice. Knowing what to believe the week before the 2019 NFL draft is a difficult task. Some believe there is legitimate interest from the Jets. Others believe it is a smokescreen, trying to nudge a team toward trading up to get him.

The buzz began last week, when NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah connected Oliver and the Jets in his mock draft. That has been followed up with reports and other mock drafts pointing to a possible match between the Jets and Oliver. Jeremiah explained why he connected them.

“Just making the connection between Gregg Williams having coached Aaron Donald and envisioning a role for somebody like Ed to be able to really penetrate and get upfield and kind of be more of the Robin type of a player to Batman there with Leonard Williams, just a different skill set to give you a little something different,” Jeremiah said. “So that’s what his strength would be.”

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Then there is the theory that the Jets are trying to get someone to trade up. The Raiders, picking at No. 4, are believed to love Oliver. Could the Jets be trying to scare the Raiders into moving up one spot and possibly sending them a second-round draft pick to do it?

“Oliver’s name is in that mix maybe with the idea of trading down,” ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. said. “Throw as many names into that third spot as you can. Oliver certainly has a chance to be a really good player if he can maintain 280, 285 [pounds]. That’s the question. Will he be 270, 275 or 280, 285 through a long NFL season? He’s a gifted athlete. He runs well. He should be able to close and get sacks once he’s coached up in the right scheme.”
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Gil Brandt has Oliver ranked #4 overall in his top 150
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With this and the above Coolie just posted, Coach right now

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CoolieMan said:
so how many NT stunt to outside the LG to rush the QB who hits a RB with a screen pass to the other side of the field from the rushing NT who then turns and chases the play down and makes the tackle?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1120851937929388032

yeah this is an over rated "small school" player
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Oliver was in plenty of 4 man fronts and came up short as a pass rusher this season, except vs. perhaps the two weakest teams Houston played. Hmmmm... Oliver to the Benglas? :)

I guess his lack of size, and weaker competition played does not matter much to you.

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/4/...t-2019-michigan-football-devin-bush-ed-oliver
 
slashsteel said:
I know you have watched a ton more tape than any of us on this prospect, but I think that is his best attribute. And a reason why he won't make it out of the top ten.

You can't couch that type of burst into a player.
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Bud Dupree has a nice burst. He's faster than Oliver, jumped better and probably had a better 10 yard spilt ( I'd have to look the last part up ) . He's taller and his arms were longer. Doesn't; make him a sack guy and Bud played at least played in the SEC.

Oliver, in his best season was 5.5 sacks, vs weaker opposition.

Yes Oliver has has quick feet. Counterpoint, NFL OL men are much better than the guys he beat, most of whom will never seen an NFL camp. I did not see a plan B as a pass rusher for Oliver, and he's undersized for the run in the NFL.

Don't even compare him to Donald, he was a proven 10+ sack man in two seasons in college and blew guys up in the senior bowl Oh yeah, he wasn't a top ten pick.
 
Coach said:
Oliver was in plenty of 4 man fronts and came up short as a pass rusher this season, except vs. perhaps the two weakest teams Houston played. Hmmmm... Oliver to the Benglas? :)

I guess his lack of size, and weaker competition played does not matter much to you.

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/4/...t-2019-michigan-football-devin-bush-ed-oliver
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you watched almost no game film, and your "analysis" of the film you did watch was laughable.

He is taller than Donald and about the same weight. He hit 32 reps on the bench at the combine which shows more than adequate strength

given the injuries they had on the DL, he was almost always at NT last season and the 4 man lines you keep preaching about were a LB moving up on the LOS, not an extra DL and Oliver stayed at NT, he did not flex out to a 3-technique as he would in a real 4 man line.

why not just comment on the play I posted the link to? How many Power 5 NT or DT make that play?
 
Aaron Donald didn't play NT in college.

In 4 seasons he had 66 TFLs and that includes a huge senior year with 28.5, so through 3 seasons he had a whopping 37.5 TFLs

In 3 seasons Oliver had 53 TFLs and that is only playing 8 games his junior year.

In his first 3 seasons Donald had 18.5 sacks vs 13.5 sacks for Oliver in his 3 seasons....and again Oliver only played 8 games his junior year.


In 4 years Donald had 6 forced fumbles (4 as a senior) Oliver had 5 forced fumbles in his 3 seasons along with 11 passes defended

so if you compare apples to apples, there is not a hell of a lot of difference between the two as college players
 
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CoolieMan said:
you watched almost no game film, and your "analysis" of the film you did watch was laughable.

He is taller than Donald and about the same weight. He hit 32 reps on the bench at the combine which shows more than adequate strength

given the injuries they had on the DL, he was almost always at NT last season and the 4 man lines you keep preaching about were a LB moving up on the LOS, not an extra DL and Oliver stayed at NT, he did not flex out to a 3-technique as he would in a real 4 man line.

why not just comment on the play I posted the link to? How many Power 5 NT or DT make that play?
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BS, I watched plenty of film on the man. He won't be a NT in the NFL. No way he can play end in a 3-4 or 4-3. He's strictly a 4-3 type of tackle who doesn't add much value on third down as he's not a pass rusher! Probably a good player vs draw and misdirection likely weak vs


Being up a lot of points, Oliver had plenty of pass rushing opportunities on 4 man lines. I watched his pass rush. Not Impressed. When he gets to the NFL, he won't be playing East Carolina or Navy, which is where his sacks came from this season. He'll be pushed backward to easily. Heck, I saw that too often on his college film including by a small Navy center before Oliver was hurt.


Yes, he can make nice plays. So can Bud Dupree, or tons of guys in their college highlight films. Except most did it vs better competition and had more sacks.


HYPE. Heisman, you said. A joke! #1 overall prospect back early in the season, so some said. Another joke! It's getting hot in this kitchen Coolie, I suggest you take off your jacket. We shall see on Thursday.
 
Coach said:
BS, I watched plenty of film on the man. He won't be a NT in the NFL. No way he can play end in a 3-4 or 4-3. He's strictly a 4-3 type of tackle who doesn't add much value on third down as he's not a pass rusher! Probably a good player vs draw and misdirection likely weak vs


Being up a lot of points, Oliver had plenty of pass rushing opportunities on 4 man lines. I watched his pass rush. Not Impressed. When he gets to the NFL, he won't be playing East Carolina or Navy, which is where his sacks came from this season. He'll be pushed backward to easily. Heck, I saw that too often on his college film including by a small Navy center before Oliver was hurt.


Yes, he can make nice plays. So can Bud Dupree, or tons of guys in their college highlight films. Except most did it vs better competition and had more sacks.


HYPE. Heisman, you said. A joke! #1 overall prospect back early in the season, so some said. Another joke! It's getting hot in this kitchen Coolie, I suggest you take off your jacket. We shall see on Thursday.
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getting hot for you jackass. as my last post states, compare Oliver and Donald's stats for their first three seasons and your argument loses a hell of a lot of weight

you continuing to talk about 4 man lines shows how little attention you pay to what is actually going on.

Oliver has sacks against Power 5 schools and I would bet that most of the guys Donald lined up against never came close to a NFL game either.....unless they went as fans
 
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Oliver was routinely double and triple teamed while playing NT. Houston had no other playmakers to worry about. I don't understand why anybody would expect a guy to put up double digit sacks in that situation.

Rashan Gary was in a similar, though not as leaky, boat. He was the guy getting doubles and Chase Winovich and Devin Bush got to clean up. Houston had nobody else to benefit from Oliver's presence.

A college coach's job is to win college games. They had to play Oliver out of position so he was rarely able to use his best assets. On the rare occasions when he was not doubled, he made a fool out of the guy attempting to block him.

The fact is, you rarely see guys at Oliver's size with that much athletic ability. He doesn't have the arm length to play 4-3 DE but he is perfect as a 3 technique.
 
I appreciate coach’s tenacity he continues to get beaten down yet has the constitution to continue. I’ve been here for many years and I’m glad he’s still around. With that all said Hillary Clinton said Mueller went easy on Trump. I know it’s all confusing cause I am also!!! I just hope we move up with a 3rd and get Hockenson. That’s something we can all agree on! Here we go Steelers! Here we go!
 
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