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Are you talking about the next gen probability vids I shared or just in general?
Can anybody offer an explanation for the absolute refusal to pass over the middle of the field?
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The two vids you posted.
I must have misunderstood your post. I thought you were trying to give examples of how much better Howell is than Pickett.
Pickett looked pretty good there.
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That’s just it, Sullivan isn’t doing **** with Kenny. He has escaped scrutiny due to the OC issues. Most point to OC, skipping the QB coach responsibilities.
Again, it doesn’t appear as though Kenny is progressing in a timely manner. Some talk about mechanics, I think it’s more mental and in affect of being told no turn overs to the degree of his being fearful of that event.
Sullivan, or a GOOD quarterback coach should have that worked out by now.
Of course nothing matters if the Head Coach is preaching My way or nothing.
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Well, I was to be honest. If you look at distance thrown and ball location. Yes, the first one was right on the money. But the ball air distance was 8 yards.
Second one was a nice throw don't get me wrong. 26 yards of air distance. But it is high. And look at the pocket. No pressure whatsoever.
The third is one of the best balls Pickett has thrown in the NFL. He actually had Pickens wide open on the crossing route with a perfectly executed rub route (that didn't touch) by A-ROb but Pickett see's the one on one coverage and takes his shot. I loved the aggressiveness.
So nothing wrong with these. One easy, one good, and one great.
Here's Howell. First one he is running because he has one of the worst lines in football. They have had a lot of injuries but even if healthy we are far better than they. So first one is a throw while running to his right. Look at where his feet are facing. You want to have your left foot pointing at your target. His are facing the other side of the field. Also, look at the two open and easier targets. But Howell has a big arm and pushes it down between two defenders and hits the receiver in the hands. 20 yards of air distance.
The next one is to Pringle and in 2.5 second he is about to get lit up. He stands in there and steps into his throw. Gets hit immediately after letting that ball loose. Hits Pringle in the numbers on an out to the left side of the field.
This is good throw with a clean pocket. 42 yards on a rope. imo the least impressive of the throws.
Now this is a throw I really want to highlight. Again, Howell has no time and a defender in his face. He can't step into the throw and has to throw off his back foot.
Now this is Kenny throwing off his back foot with pressure in his face.
Here is where Howell hits McLaurin. That is 37 yards to the left with a CB in good coverage and only feet to the side line.
Here's Kenny's. CA3 is in the middle of the field so air distance is shorter than an out route. Probably the same distance in the air. Kenny comes up short.
Now I do say Kenny has an NFL arm. But he does not have the accuracy or arm strength of a Sam Howell. He does have a better arm than Purdy but no where near the accuracy or anticipation of Purdy.
I will be glad when a few posters find something other than Kenny to constantly talk about.
Anywho again, I bet if you put Howell and Purdy in this offense and Kenny in theirs their completion percentage dip and rise.
In the Steelers scheme Kenny is the least accurate in comparison. That is the only fact.
Anywho again, I bet if you put Howell and Purdy in this offense and Kenny in theirs their completion percentage dip and rise.
In the Steelers scheme Kenny is the least accurate in comparison. That is the only fact.
Mark Whipple doesn't appear to be doing anything and was good for KP at Pitt and has history with the Steelers. Won't happen though because MT fired him as soon as he took the reigns.
Starting to hear more rumblings that the lack of deep throws, throws across the middle, etc. are coming from Tomlin on down. KP only throws what they tell him to throw - which is logical. The Steelers are playing not to lose as discussed in another thread. It's ridiculous since KP has put on tape that he can throw the ball anywhere on the field. They have his first read as a short throw to the outside or a throw behind the line. He never gets a chance to look around and see what's happening elsewhere. They should have his progressions start with something more in the middle of the field where he can scan things and then go to his dump-off on an as-needed basis. Canaduh's O has a typical teams dump-off targets as KP's primary targets. It truly is completely backward.
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I vehemently disagree. Now saying he is told to protect the football and be efficient I agree with. But when there is a play downfield or in the middle he has been VERY inconsistent. Now I don't like this vanilla play not to lose offense. I hate it. But watching Pickett's inconsistencies I think the problem is two fold. 1. We have a basic offense and are scared to push the ball down the field. 2. We have a QB who is very up and down in accuracy and is late reading the defense and knowing where to go with the ball. If they set Kenny loose in the Chiefs or Phins offense he would throw multiple picks a game. Probably more touchdowns but his TD to INT ratio would be worse. If you look at the post below you will see Kenny miss a wide open Pickens on a crossing route and a wide open CA3 on a go in the middle. Then you will see him throw a dart on a go to DJ with a wide open Pickens again in the middle. Now I loved the aggressiveness of him throwing the deeper ball but part of me wonders if he struggles with the middle of the field. You will also see an earlier play where a receiver was open on a deep/intermediate middle but KP throws a little late for A-Rob on a shallow cross.
Now we are 6-3 so I see no way we set Kenny loose this year. Not unless we are way behind which is not a good barometer of ability. But next year after Canada is gone I hope they just let it all go and either sink or swim. If we sink we get a top 5 pick in 2025. If we swim we then know for certain that Kenny is going to be the guy. But right now watching him I personally just don't see it.
Wow real shocker.
Look, our lack of passes over the middle spans back 5 years… its 100% coaching and scheme… it correlates to teams using more two deep safety sets… we live in our fears… other teams find seams and challenge coverages.. or just scheme guys open
Haven't we talked about you making sense? Too much if it ..
KP won't be let loose this year or next year. He will be our starter for the rest of this year and for all of next year under hopefully a new OC and entire O coaching staff. After next year, the team can say what they have for sure and determine if they need to move on. But, drafting mid to late in the first round does not bode well for getting a top QB in most draft classes.
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Ben threw over the middle. The lack of completed middle passes started in 2022 with Mitch. And I can show you routes and open guys over the middle every game. So you can't just blame Canada. Most passes are outside the middle hash marks in the NFL.
Here is one of many threads from 2021 with people bitching about us not throwing over tge middle…
ironically enough there are lots of articles and threads on the various sites about that topic complaining about guys running free in the middle and him not seeing them…
I remember this because I thought it was horseshit trying to argue that vet Roethlisberger lost his ability to read a D…
Would you like me to drudge the ones from the end of Fitchner era or the 2019 Rudolph/Hodges debates? Because the same **** was happening then too… the only difference is what posters are defending or ******** on the QB …
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The good news is after another “successful” season ending at 10-7 (above the 9-8 standard) all will be retained for next year as we are obviously trending in the right direction and continuity will remain the norm AND we will have another season to ***** about all of the issues of the Tomlin/Canada offense next year so we can get a larger sample size of the effectiveness of this sideline only strategy.
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I guess it depends on what the middle is. I consider the middle the middle 1/3 of the field. Some consider the has marks. But they are very narrow in the pros so it seems to be consistent saying the middle 1/3 of the field makes the most sense. Anyways, this is the first 6 games of 2021. As you can see Ben utilized the middle 1/3 and even the middle hashmarks a lot.
That imageshare is directly from a article from a competitor site with the headline
“Ben Roethlisberger 30th in NFL in MOF passes”…
and it really only shows the first six games that year…
Ray Fittapaldo just said that they don’t trust young qb’s to throw over the middle of the field… its the same as the Rudolph thing… Tomlin doesn’t trust young guys to play.
Yep I remember that painfully.
No pigeons in the middle third....
It depends on what you consider middle of the field. I take a tape measure and measure 75 feet from the sideline. Then I walk over to the other sideline and measure 75 feet. Now if those pigeons land within that 10 feet. I consider that the middle of the field.
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