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Cannot deny the negative impact Ben Roethlisberger had on team chemistry in 2018

You are correct. He’s actually been voted 10 times. The issue is I believe he needs to take responsibility for 2018. He led poorly. It’s ok to admit that. It’s the responsibility of any good leader.
How did he lead poorly? It's easy to throw a blanket statement out like that, but cite examples? I mean the offense was like 4th or 5th in scoring, red zone% was up, two 1,000 yards wrs, RBs had higher ypc than Bell, Connor and Samuels very involved in passing game. The offense seemed to run damn well under a poor leader.

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Find a way to blame whitey I know it is somehow his fault!
 
Here ya go.

DEFINITION: Leadership is a process of social influence which maximizes the efforts of others toward the achievement of a greater good. Notice the key elements of this definition: Leadership stems from social influence, not authority or power.
So the offense was very successful, seems to me the efforts were maximized.
Can Heyward must be a horrible leader.

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How did he lead poorly? It's easy to throw a blanket statement out like that, but cite examples? I mean the offense was like 4th or 5th in scoring, red zone% was up, two 1,000 yards wrs, RBs had higher ypc than Bell, Connor and Samuels very involved in passing game. The offense seemed to run damn well under a poor leader.

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Waiting for this answer...
 
This makes zero sense. What does putting up or giving up a bunch of points have anything to do with being a leader?

Well your definition says to maximize the efforts others toward the achievement of greater good.
You wouldn't think the offense would do so well under a bad leader

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Well your definition says to maximize the efforts others toward the achievement of greater good.
You wouldn't think the offense would do so well under a bad leader

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Tomlin has had issues with players on both sides of the ball, so numbnuts color blinded theory holds little weight.
 
Let me say it one more time for the people in the back. I’m not suggesting this season is Ben’s fault. All I’m suggesting is he should take some responsibility as he is the team captain and leader of the team. He probably could have handle certain situations better. Especially since he comes across more mature than Brown. I will also flip the script on people who criticize people as Tomlin apologist. Maybe you just may be Roethlisberger apologist. He does no wrong.
 
Let me say it one more time for the people in the back. I’m not suggesting this season is Ben’s fault. All I’m suggesting is he should take some responsibility as he is the team captain and leader of the team. He probably could have handle certain situations better. Especially since he comes across more mature than Brown. I will also flip the script on people who criticize people as Tomlin apologist. Maybe you just may be Roethlisberger apologist. He does no wrong.
He probably could have handle certain situations better.

like what?
 
Been asking this question since people started blaming Ben for AB, been waiting for that answer for two weeks.

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I know the answer, because nothing points to the **** they pull out of their ***. Without anything to back up their bullshit statements.

They either are irritated with Ben for his earlier troubles or want to blame whitey. It is always one or the two. Couldn't be anything else when they flat make **** up.
 
like what?

Calling several teammates out publicly. Especially your rookie who has lost confidence and your star WR. Whether you like or not that probably wasn’t the smartest move. Also, we are only speculating at best what has gone on in the locker room and what happened with Brown. Nobody really knows.
 
I know the answer, because nothing points to the **** they pull out of their ***. Without anything to back up their bullshit statements.

They either are irritated with Ben for his earlier troubles or want to blame whitey. It is always one or the two. Couldn't be anything else when they flat make **** up.

Hahaha! Facts are there but you just choose to look at the way you want to look at it. Just like I do.
 
Calling several teammates out publicly. Especially your rookie who has lost confidence and your star WR. Whether you like or not that probably wasn’t the smartest move. Also, we are only speculating at best what has gone on in the locker room and what happened with Brown. Nobody really knows.

So you want him to be a leader but say nothing, which is it? You do know a part of being a leader is constructive criticism right?

That is all he was doing.

Pretty much giving them a lets go.
 
Hahaha! Facts are there but you just choose to look at the way you want to look at it. Just like I do.

When you are reaching hard for someone that isn't the HC or the player acting up, not hard to find conclusions.
 
Tomlin would have been fired long ago if not for Ben. The pro-Tomlin crowd, who has been very quiet lately, has traditionally liked to blame Ben for his ineptness. The trouble is Ben lead the NFL in passing and it's not the offense that losing games. Its the Defense and alleged Tomlin specialty and too many coaching 101 mistakes to mention
 
So you want him to be a leader but say nothing, which is it? You do know a part of being a leader is constructive criticism right?

That is all he was doing.

Pretty much giving them a lets go.

Never said he shouldn’t call them out. Just don’t do it to the media.
 
Never said he shouldn’t call them out. Just don’t do it to the media.

Have you listened to 5 minutes of any of his radio shows? or are you just sheeping on the media?
 
I really don't think it's appropriate for Ben to do a radio show while still an active player. Everything he has to say should be kept in the locker room.
His contract pays him enough money, he doesn't need a side gig. If Steelers were smart it would be prohibited in his contract.
 
I really don't think it's appropriate for Ben to do a radio show while still an active player. Everything he has to say should be kept in the locker room.
His contract pays him enough money, he doesn't need a side gig. If Steelers were smart it would be prohibited in his contract.

Uhuh you didn't answer my question. Have you listened to his show?

BTW Tomlin has a show too. A live broadcasted one.
 
Calling several teammates out publicly. Especially your rookie who has lost confidence and your star WR. Whether you like or not that probably wasn’t the smartest move. Also, we are only speculating at best what has gone on in the locker room and what happened with Brown. Nobody really knows.

Several???? Funny that rookie WR said the talk with Ben helped, and he made some plays late in the season.
So if it made the player more focused and play better, wouldn't that be considered good leadership?
How exactly did he call him out? He said, " he has to make that play, but he knows that, and I told him we'll need him"?
Who else did he call out?

Tomlin called out Bos big time in his presser, what are your thoughts there?

So you're still trying to say Ben had something to do with AB? Let's put a time line on **** here:
AB has good game vs SD is all smiles at the podium after a loss.
AB has poor game vs NE who we finally beat, AB doesn't want to talk, and tries to duck out.
AB has big game vs NO and is all happy again even though we loss.
Practice something happens, reports say AB ran wrong hot route, Ben wanted to run it again(I don't know why he'd want to get the play correct, poor leadership I guess), AB gets pissy. This Wednesday.
Now per Ed Bouchette, who is there covering the team, AB and Ben sat down and talked Thursday morning, and all seemed fine.
So right there you can stop with the Ben is to blame ****.

Now that late morning/early afternoon the JuJu MVP is announced, and that's when AB stormed off and went into full blown ***** mode. Ed Bouchette who was there, honestly thinks the MVP set him off.

So AB is a selfish *******, as you can tell when we lose and he puts up numbers he's happy, but if we win and he doesn't put up stats he sulks. That has zero, nil, zilch, absolutely nothing to do with Ben.

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I really don't think it's appropriate for Ben to do a radio show while still an active player. Everything he has to say should be kept in the locker room.
His contract pays him enough money, he doesn't need a side gig. If Steelers were smart it would be prohibited in his contract.
Tom Brady has a radio show, it's not uncommon.

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