Cannot deny the negative impact Ben Roethlisberger had on team chemistry in 2018

[Ice Cubist]

I listen to Ben's radio show every time it's on. Either a lot of people's definition of "calling someone out" is different than mine, or folks are just going along with the overarching narrative without actually having heard the audio in full context. It's maddening. He never says anything on there about the players that goes past the level of constructive criticism. He doesn't go in on guys, and any criticism is usually accompanied by superlatives (e.g. "he's the best wide receiver in the game").

If the guys are really that sensitive, maybe he shouldn't have the show. Given the fact that he does though, nothing he says on there is out of line IMO.

 

[Vader]

Trying to put words in my mouth I never said to prove your own point. The truth of it is everyone debating him taking SOME responsibility are the most vocal in saying they want Tomlin fired. What if I said I think Tomlin should be fired and Roethlisberger should take part of the blame. What would you say then?

What responsibility should he take? He's said many times to anyone that would listen that he didn't play well at times. WTF else do you want? You want him to suspend himself? Flogging at noon? WTF else do you want him to do?

I find it interesting that those who don't want anything to happen to Tomlin are those most vocal against Ben. When is Tomlin going to take responsibility? When is he going to be responsible for winning 3 playoff games in 8 years with one of the most explosive offenses in the game and 1st and 2nd round pick all over the defense? When does he take some responsibility for allowing AB to come to practice late or not at all? When he is going to take responsibility for running his trap last year about NE when he should have been worried about Jax? When is he going to step up?

 

[GMC]

There was plenty of blame to go around this year; the team as a whole **** the bed. Anyone that lays blame on any one player and not the man paid to lead them all, has an agenda.

 

[t-man]

Jeezus, look at that list, would ya-

James Washington was the latest in a long list of wide receivers to be thrown under the bus by Roethlisberger this year, joining names like Martavis Bryant, Sammie Coates, Cobi Hamilton and of course Brown in that regard in just the past few seasons alone.

Bryant, Coates, Hamilton- Damn, yep, those guys went on to have MEGA success other places, not to mention Wheaton, I mean, scrub wr after scrub wr here in Pittsburgh to go on to multiple pro bowls once they FINALLY get a qb that's a true leader! Oh, wait, what? You mean none of them have done jack ******* **** after Ben "tossed them under the bus". Maybe saying someone sucks, isn't a bad thing if, well, they suck.

Joe

 

[slashsteel]

There was plenty of blame to go around this year; the team as a whole **** the bed. Anyone that lays blame on any one player and not the man paid to lead them all, has an agenda.

And he wants to use something from a radio show he didn't even listen to. Nothing like starting a debate coming in ignorant. No research, just pop out of your *** bullshit.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Have you not been listening? Washington and Brown. Obviously Brown being the biggest name. Did Ben have a right to call him out? Of course if he ran the wrong route. Do it on nationally TV knowing the guy is selfish and a diva? Not the smartest move.

So a leader should ignore bad behavior? It is clear that a lot of guys on the team are fed up with AB and the special treatment he was getting. I’d say Ben was being a leader on behalf of the majority of the team.

Tomlin called out AB in his end of year press conference much more than Ben did. Ben made a few comments but Tomlin went into detail about AB being a diva and all but accused AB of faking an injury. He then called him out for leaving the bengals game at halftime.

it seems to me that Tomlin finally had enough. Either due to his own frustration or possibly Rooney laying down the law that Tomlin better get a hold of this clown show that the steelers have become.

 

[Atlsteelers]

And he wants to use something from a radio show he didn't even listen to. Nothing like starting a debate coming in ignorant. No research, just pop out of your *** bullshit.

Regardless the forum whether interview with ESPN or his radio show he still made negative comments about his teammates on his radios show that ultimately went to the media. What pop out your *** bullshit are your referring to?

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I don’t think Ben is a great leader. Maybe he is finally going to become that, but indon’t like his passive aggressive style. Leaders are more effective when they are direct. Ben seems to have been direct with Washington and he respected that. Ben was more indirect with AB and he took it as talking behind his back.

This is a know problem with millennials. Not all obviously, but it is well established that most millennials do not take criticism well. This is a struggle with so many coaches now. Gone are the days when players do what they are told. Now they have to be sold on why doing it the coach’s way is in their own best interest.

 

[slashsteel]

Regardless the forum whether interview with ESPN or his radio show he still made negative comments about his teammates on his radios show that ultimately went to the media. What pop out your *** bullshit are your referring to?

The bullshit that you believe everything you spew without doing the research to see if it is even true. You didn't listen to the show, you read a hate Ben column and formed a convenient opinion based on that.

And what makes it worse is you will keep the same ****** opinion regardless of what is presented.

You are a prime example what is wrong with this country. A bunch of non researching ignorant *** opinions, that want to label **** without really knowing a ******* thing.

But by all means you keep thinking Ben had anything to do with the ******* lughead that can't follow team rules.

The same lughead that has broken team rules over and over and over again.

 

[slashsteel]

I don’t think Ben is a great leader. Maybe he is finally going to become that, but indon’t like his passive aggressive style. Leaders are more effective when they are direct. Ben seems to have been direct with Washington and he respected that. Ben was more indirect with AB and he took it as talking behind his back.

This is a know problem with millennials. Not all obviously, but it is well established that most millennials do not take criticism well. This is a struggle with so many coaches now. Gone are the days when players do what they are told. Now they have to be sold on why doing it the coach’s way is in their own best interest.

He has to tone it down for the ABs and Bells. Nether of them can be told **** without melting down into the fetal position.

I think Ben approaches as he can. Knowing if he says too much, then temper tantrums and media bullshit will rear its ugly head.

 

[Coryea]

This entire topic is ridiculous, on a list of what's wrong with the Steelers, Ben is at the bottom of that list.

On a list of what the Steelers have going for them, Ben is at the top of that list.

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[slashsteel]

This entire topic is ridiculous, on a list of what's wrong with the Steelers, Ben is at the bottom of that list.

On a list of what the Steelers have going for them, Ben is at the top of that list.

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Ben is on top of the list how to point the finger away from the head coach and players of the same color.

 

[SteelerFan448]

I don't care what kind of leader Ben is. He isn't the one who's been acting like a clown since last year.

AB is the one who skipped meetings and practices, he's the one who threw furniture off a balcony, he's the one who was speeding 100 mph, he's the one who threw a fit on the field/sideline when he didn't get the ball showing up his QB in front of everyone, he's the one who got into social media conflicts with members of the media. Brown has been in the news way too much this year for the wrong reasons and there are zero people at fault for his behavior. Brown is gonna be 31 and needs to be held accountable for his actions.

 

[Atlsteelers]

After a while this forum will only be left with a handful of people who think the same way. My intention on posting the article wasn’t because I agreed with everything in it but IMO Ben should take a little responsibility. He’s the team captain. The team is in discord (mainly because Tomlin allowed it to get to this point.) if him and AB are that close as he says then why hasn’t he returned his calls? As said before Ben is not high on the list of problems with what is wrong with this team but he’s at least on the bottom. To not admit that is ignorant IMO.

 

[bigtwnvin]

Geez, a franchise QB demanding his teammates play at a level they're being paid to do because winning is the objective. Yes blame Ben for not being a leader?
WTF?

 

[slashsteel]

After a while this forum will only be left with a handful of people who think the same way.

Another brilliant analogy based on absolutely nothing.

BTW there is plenty of Tomlin supporters on this board, they just don't finger point to Ben to deflect.

 

[Steeler Pride]

After a while this forum will only be left with a handful of people who think the same way. My intention on posting the article wasn’t because I agreed with everything in it but IMO Ben should take a little responsibility. He’s the team captain. The team is in discord (mainly because Tomlin allowed it to get to this point.) if him and AB are that close as he says then why hasn’t he returned his calls?

Maybe they are not that close and Ben is trying to smooth things over...you know, being a "leader"

 

[SteelerFan448]

Geez, a franchise QB demanding his teammates play at a level they're being paid to do because winning is the objective. Yes blame Ben for not being a leader?
WTF?

Meanwhile, the team just a few miles away had their GM call out just about every player on the roster: young guys who got new contracts and stopped producing, the goalies, secondary scorers to Sid and Geno, and Derick Brassard, yet you don't hear a peep how he's destroying the locker room. I know it's a little bit different because Rutherford is the boss, but how do the guys in the locker room look around at their teammates when the GM says certain guys need to produce more.

 

[black and gold apex]

Ben is the QB of the Steelers, he leads by making plays, bringing team back when down. Tomlin's role to rule the roost. Ben has not once thrown a player under the bus, he has said many truths when asked on radio show. The selfishness of some of the players has ben allowed to fester by the head coach not doing his job. When players are allowed to feel they are bigger and better than the team time has come for the coach to make decisions..,,, when next man up is one of your favorite saying than live by them. Bye bye Bell, Brown..good luck.

 

[Coryea]

So where were all the "poor leader" cry babies at when Mike Tomlin was causing a disturbance at high school football games

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[slashsteel]

So where were all the "poor leader" cry babies at when Mike Tomlin was causing a disturbance at high school football games

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You ever notice that he is never accused of being a poor leader by them?

 

[JMM]

Geez, a franchise QB demanding his teammates play at a level they're being paid to do because winning is the objective. Yes blame Ben for not being a leader?
WTF?

Somebody has to do it.

 

[Atlsteelers]

Another brilliant analogy based on absolutely nothing.

BTW there is plenty of Tomlin supporters on this board, they just don't finger point to Ben to deflect.

I’m not deflecting anything. Just trying to have a conversation about a particular topic. If you don’t then fine. It’s your opinion. You also don’t have to open the thread and go back and forth about a particular topic you don’t agree with. I do believe after this season and how it ended Tomlin should have been let go. I don’t think it fixes everything as everyone would want on this board but if they did then Ben is having to work with a new coach and new system potentially and nobody knows how that would go. Like it or not Tomlin is tied to Ben at this point. So we can either sit around and complain about it or move on.

 

[slashsteel]

I’m not deflecting anything. Just trying to have a conversation about a particular topic. If you don’t then fine. It’s your opinion. You also don’t have to open the thread and go back and forth about a particular topic you don’t agree with. I do believe after this season and how it ended Tomlin should have been let go. I don’t think it fixes everything as everyone would want on this board but if they did then Ben is having to work with a new coach and new system potentially and nobody knows how that would go. Like it or not Tomlin is tied to Ben at this point. So we can either sit around and complain about it or move on.

That is why they call it a MESSAGE BOARD

So you can post messages back n forth about a subject. Debate etc.

 

[topseed]

After a while this forum will only be left with a handful of people who think the same way. My intention on posting the article wasn’t because I agreed with everything in it but IMO Ben should take a little responsibility. He’s the team captain. The team is in discord (mainly because Tomlin allowed it to get to this point.) if him and AB are that close as he says then why hasn’t he returned his calls? As said before Ben is not high on the list of problems with what is wrong with this team but he’s at least on the bottom. To not admit that is ignorant IMO.

AB hasn't even returned calls from the team president, and felt he had to use his agent as a mouthpiece to communicate with Tomlin.

WTF are you talking about?

What's ignorant is attempting to drag Ben into this nonsense because AB refuses to talk to him. Ben's done more for that guy's career than anyone else on the planet.