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Cannot deny the negative impact Ben Roethlisberger had on team chemistry in 2018

This cat has never listened to his show, he is a media sheep for whichever articles fit his agenda.
 
I am curious of his opinion of Cam - the sham -Newton
 
we are only speculating at best what has gone on in the locker room and what happened with Brown. Nobody really knows.

Yet you are calling him out as a bad leader...you can't make this **** up.
 
Can someone please tell me, or post an article about what makes a good team leader????
Sounds to me like the few that complain are the ones that just want their ***** kissed 24/7, and can't take constructive criticism.



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IMO a team leader simply says what needs to be said to that teammate within the confines of the team. There should never be a situation when that team leader publicly aires out differences with that player. There’s just no reason to let the media in on it as you can see what they do when they do get a hold of something. Geez, you have the conspiracy theories, he hates his QB, he’s not a leader and the rest of the bullshit they say and write.

Now in no way am I saying that Ben does that because he does not publicly humiliate his guys. Hell, I listen to his weekly in season radio show and never heard him go out of his way to ridicule someone. On the contrary. The man goes out of his way to praise his guys. I mean if you want to criticize Ben for mentioning that the rook Washington didn’t need to dive for a pass in Denver that would have been a TD that’s not throwing the kid under the bus.
He didn’t need to dive for the ball and Ben was merely pointing that out and you can bet he told the kid as much one on one.
He also came back weeks later and said he went back to that same play to Washington in a later game where he made a huge play.
It’s these radio talk show goofs and some writers that make this into something it’s not.
Ben is a leader and shows it. I’ve heard him on more than one occasion call himself out when there was no need for it. He shoulders a lot of the blame. I can tell you who doesn’t call himself out very often. And he wears very cool Shades.


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You are correct. He’s actually been voted 10 times. The issue is I believe he needs to take responsibility for 2018. He led poorly. It’s ok to admit that. It’s the responsibility of any good leader.

Let me say it one more time for the people in the back. I’m not suggesting this season is Ben’s fault. All I’m suggesting is he should take some responsibility as he is the team captain and leader of the team. He probably could have handle certain situations better. Especially since he comes across more mature than Brown. I will also flip the script on people who criticize people as Tomlin apologist. Maybe you just may be Roethlisberger apologist. He does no wrong.

Hard to debate someone who talks out of both sides. On the same page, you state he's responsible for the entire season and then the season isn't his fault. But trolls have got to troll.
 
It’s funny you have several ex teammates over the year say Ben isn’t a leader yet all the couch potatoes here know he is. The guy has a big time reputation of being a ******* that alone is a reason he’s not a good leader. He is not liked
 
Hard to debate someone who talks out of both sides. On the same page, you state he's responsible for the entire season and then the season isn't his fault. But trolls have got to troll.

Where the hell are you coming up with this? I never said 2018 was Ben’s fault and if you get your head out of his *** you see clearly he has SOME responsibility how 2018 went down.

Let me also add just because another Steelers fan has a different opinion doesn’t make them a troll.
 
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It’s funny you have several ex teammates over the year say Ben isn’t a leader yet all the couch potatoes here know he is. The guy has a big time reputation of being a ******* that alone is a reason he’s not a good leader. He is not liked
I am sure many of QBs come across like ********. Rodgers,Brady,Cam, etc. Even then there is many examples in this thread that point to him being a good teammate. You are on the couch blowing smoke up our *** about a reputation. But Ben's bad rep came from earlier in his career. So that has nothing to do with the here and now dipshit.

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Hard to debate someone who talks out of both sides. On the same page, you state he's responsible for the entire season and then the season isn't his fault. But trolls have got to troll.

He wants to blame Ben without saying it in so many words because he knows the blame lies with Tomlin. Tomlin must be protected at all costs. Players are different type of leaders than the coach. The HC is in charge of his locker room. He is the one that can suspend, reprimand, or sit a player. Tomlin coddled and allowed ABs attitude to go unchecked for years. Ben didn't do that and couldn't stop it because he doesn't run the team. Ben talking about a play or two in games isn't what caused AB to become an *******. Tomlin allowing his stupid **** to continue for years is what caused AB to become the distraction he is today.
 
He wants to blame Ben without saying it in so many words because he knows the blame lies with Tomlin. Tomlin must be protected at all costs. Players are different type of leaders than the coach. The HC is in charge of his locker room. He is the one that can suspend, reprimand, or sit a player. Tomlin coddled and allowed ABs attitude to go unchecked for years. Ben didn't do that and couldn't stop it because he doesn't run the team. Ben talking about a play or two in games isn't what caused AB to become an *******. Tomlin allowing his stupid **** to continue for years is what caused AB to become the distraction he is today.

Trying to put words in my mouth I never said to prove your own point. The truth of it is everyone debating him taking SOME responsibility are the most vocal in saying they want Tomlin fired. What if I said I think Tomlin should be fired and Roethlisberger should take part of the blame. What would you say then?
 
Trying to put words in my mouth I never said to prove your own point. The truth of it is everyone debating him taking SOME responsibility are the most vocal in saying they want Tomlin fired. What if I said I think Tomlin should be fired and Roethlisberger should take part of the blame. What would you say then?

I would say you are half right.
 
Throwing your hands in the air and getting frustrated someone ran the wrong route isn’t the issue. Hell even Peyton Manning did it. But it’s clear those guys have the respect of their teammates. Show me one time where the great WB’s such as Brady or Manning where a player who played with them had something negative to say.

i think Jimmy G would have negative things to say.
 
Hahaha! Good comeback.

Don't believe everything the media throws at you

Listen to Ben's show, you will see what we said about it is true.
 
It’s funny you have several ex teammates over the year say Ben isn’t a leader yet all the couch potatoes here know he is. The guy has a big time reputation of being a ******* that alone is a reason he’s not a good leader. He is not liked
Who, Sanders? He himself admitted he was an *** when he was younger, but people can change. Bettis credited him for being a leader and named him as a reason he came back in 2005. So a HOFer said he was a leader, not all people lead the same.

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Who, Sanders? He himself admitted he was an *** when he was younger, but people can change. Bettis credited him for being a leader and named him as a reason he came back in 2005. So a HOFer said he was a leader, not all people lead the same.

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Ben was an *** earlier in his career. I do believe he has changed and has worked hard on his reputation. I do believe he is a hall of fame QB. I just think he deserves SOME responsibility this year in regards to team chemistry. I think him calling out teammates publicly was wrong. Just my opinion.
 
Ben was an *** earlier in his career. I do believe he has changed and has worked hard on his reputation. I do believe he is a hall of fame QB. I just think he deserves SOME responsibility this year in regards to team chemistry. I think him calling out teammates publicly was wrong. Just my opinion.
How did he call anyone out???
You keep saying teammates, who?

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How did he call anyone out???
You keep saying teammates, who?

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Have you not been listening? Washington and Brown. Obviously Brown being the biggest name. Did Ben have a right to call him out? Of course if he ran the wrong route. Do it on nationally TV knowing the guy is selfish and a diva? Not the smartest move.
 
Have you not been listening? Washington and Brown. Obviously Brown being the biggest name. Did Ben have a right to call him out? Of course if he ran the wrong route. Do it on nationally TV knowing the guy is selfish and a diva? Not the smartest move.

He never said a word on National TV. Not one word. The only comments he ever made were on his local radio show in Pittsburgh and were far from calling anyone out. A good leader finds ways to get through to the people that follow them, seems to me that James Washington played a lot better after Ben "called him out". Brown has been a ticking time bomb for years, nothing that Ben was going to say or do was going to change him. Ben didn't say a word about Brown early in the year and he was still knocking over water coolers and taking hissy fits on the side line.
 
Have you not been listening? Washington and Brown. Obviously Brown being the biggest name. Did Ben have a right to call him out? Of course if he ran the wrong route. Do it on nationally TV knowing the guy is selfish and a diva? Not the smartest move.

The only way Ben could have handled everything better is by truly calling out AB. As in telling him to stop whining about not getting the ball and start being a part of the TEAM. As in start caring about whether the team wins or not.

But that’s not Ben’s style. He takes blame for every loss and always points to himself first. That’s called a leader.


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Have you not been listening? Washington and Brown. Obviously Brown being the biggest name. Did Ben have a right to call him out? Of course if he ran the wrong route. Do it on nationally TV knowing the guy is selfish and a diva? Not the smartest move.
Wow, if what he said about Washington is considered being called out, then I suggest these guys get thicker skin or just stay home with Mommy. He never called him out, if you actually listen to his show you would've heard them ask him about Washington missing that ball and what he thought, his response, " yeah he needs to make that play, he knows that, we talked. I told him we're going to need him"

As for AB he talked him up big time after he went AWOL, said he hopes things get worked out and he is back here because he makes him better.

What are thoughts on Tomlin calling Boswell out during a presser?

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Where the hell are you coming up with this? I never said 2018 was Ben’s fault and if you get your head out of his *** you see clearly he has SOME responsibility how 2018 went down.

Let me also add just because another Steelers fan has a different opinion doesn’t make them a troll.

The **** you didn't. WTF does he need to take responsibility for 2018 mean in your world? But I need to pull my head out of my ***. I stand by my comment, **** off troll.
 
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