Covid Vaccine

[Sarge]

Flu shot prevents probably hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations and deaths every year.

Must have been really effective last year.

 

[Troglodyte]

This kind of stuff, for some reason, I do not care about. If people make decisions to not be vaccinated, then they must live with the consequences of their own action. If the real fear is that they might infect someone else, my first question is, why isn't "someone else" vaccinated? I know that some folks can't get the vaccine. Very small minority. But by and large, it seems the other unvaccinated people that might get infected are other people that do not want the vaccination.

Why should ICUs be filled with preventable disease? Several hospitals around the country are also dealing with the consequences of unvaccinated peoples decisions.

 

[oneforthebus]

Must have been really effective last year.

Flu vaccines were at their highest number ever distributed last flu season, so yeah that combined with many people not being around other people much, and other anti-infectious disease precautions being ramped up, likely reduced flu illness quite a bit.

 

[Sarge]

Why should ICUs be filled with preventable disease? Several hospitals around the country are also dealing with the consequences of unvaccinated peoples decisions.

My body my choice, right? Look, I got the shots. I think everyone that can get them should. I'm not everyone else though. If someone doesn't want to take a rushed, experimental vaccine, how can you make them?

 

[oneforthebus]

My body my choice, right? Look, I got the shots. I think everyone that can get them should. I'm not everyone else though. If someone doesn't want to take a rushed, experimental vaccine, how can you make them?

No one can make you take the shot. Don't I have the right to keep people who are more likely to be infected out of my establishment? "The unvaccinated" is not a race or ethnicity, it's a group someone chooses to be a part of. You want to eat in my restaurant? Get vaxxed. You don't want to get vaxxed? That's ok. Go eat somewhere else. Your choice, my choice.

If there was an active measles outbreak near my business, I might also consider requiring you to show that you're vaxxed. It's happened before and no one started screaming "Nazis".

Disney Parks Now Require Immunization Record for Admittance | GomerBlog

Make sure to bring your immunization record or letter from a physician stating legitimate reasons for not being vaccinated if you want to go to Disney

gomerblog.com

 

[Sarge]

No one can make you take the shot. Don't I have the right to keep people who are more likely to be infected out of my establishment? "The unvaccinated" is not a race or ethnicity, it's a group someone chooses to be a part of. You want to eat in my restaurant? Get vaxxed. You don't want to get vaxxed? That's ok. Go eat somewhere else. Your choice, my choice.

If there was an active measles outbreak near my business, I might also consider requiring you to show that you're vaxxed. It's happened before and no started screaming "Nazis".

Disney Parks Now Require Immunization Record for Admittance | GomerBlog

Make sure to bring your immunization record or letter from a physician stating legitimate reasons for not being vaccinated if you want to go to Disney

gomerblog.com

If a business wants to do that, be my guest. I do not care. Don't be surprised though, when you lose business, even after the pandemic is over. I know I'd never patronize a business that needs my papers for me to enrich their lives. A company like Disney can get away with that. Bob's Diner can't. I think you do **** like this at your own peril, but whatever.

 

[Badcat]

No one can make you take the shot. Don't I have the right to keep people who are more likely to be infected out of my establishment? "The unvaccinated" is not a race or ethnicity, it's a group someone chooses to be a part of. You want to eat in my restaurant? Get vaxxed. You don't want to get vaxxed? That's ok. Go eat somewhere else. Your choice, my choice.

If there was an active measles outbreak near my business, I might also consider requiring you to show that you're vaxxed. It's happened before and no started screaming "Nazis".

Disney Parks Now Require Immunization Record for Admittance | GomerBlog

Make sure to bring your immunization record or letter from a physician stating legitimate reasons for not being vaccinated if you want to go to Disney

gomerblog.com

But what happens when it's a grocery store, pharmacy, or other business that provides essential services for life? Restaurants and Disney world are luxuries and can be lived without indefinitely. If the Government mandates that essential business disallow people without vax passports entry, they will have ultimately told you to either comply or die. That is a mandate.

 

[Troglodyte]

My body my choice, right? Look, I got the shots. I think everyone that can get them should. I'm not everyone else though. If someone doesn't want to take a rushed, experimental vaccine, how can you make them?

So if your immune compromised wife were to get seriously ill and had to wait for treatment or an ICU bed, you’d still defend the unvaccinated’s decisions and entitlement to those services? People aren’t being forced to get vaccinated because they’re being denied entrance to restaurants. If hospitals could tell the unvaccinated to **** off, THAT would be more like forcing people to get vaccinated.

 

[Stoney]

No one can make you take the shot. Don't I have the right to keep people who are more likely to be infected out of my establishment? "The unvaccinated" is not a race or ethnicity, it's a group someone chooses to be a part of. You want to eat in my restaurant? Get vaxxed. You don't want to get vaxxed? That's ok. Go eat somewhere else. Your choice, my choice.

If there was an active measles outbreak near my business, I might also consider requiring you to show that you're vaxxed. It's happened before and no started screaming "Nazis".

Disney Parks Now Require Immunization Record for Admittance | GomerBlog

Make sure to bring your immunization record or letter from a physician stating legitimate reasons for not being vaccinated if you want to go to Disney

gomerblog.com

Sure, you have that right, as long as it is YOUR decision on who you allow into your business. But that isn't what is happening.

The government is telling businesses who can and who can not come into their establishments, and if you don't comply they will pull your license. That is tyranny.

 

[oneforthebus]

But what happens when it's a grocery store, pharmacy, or other business that provides essential services for life? Restaurants and Disney world are luxuries and can be lived without indefinitely. If the Government mandates that essential business disallow people without vax passports entry, they will have ultimately told you to either comply or die. That is a mandate.

I am not for government mandates and never will be. That said, pretty much every essential store has curbside pickup and delivery, restaurants have takeout, so no, you wouldn't have to die if they decided not to allow you to enter the premises.

You guys are all about freedom when it applies to you, but not when it applies to other people who choose not to be around people who are much more likely to be infected with a contagious disease.

 

[Steelworth]

Anyway I'm pretty much done with this debate. You all are gonna do what you're gonna do, I'll continue to correct misinformation when I see it but it's not my job to convince you guys of anything.

Where have you corrected misinformation? If you're talking about the Nazi thing, that's simply an opinion/analogy, and not the best.

Seems the majority of the misinformation is coming from our own government and their selected 'health experts'.

 

[Sarge]

So if your immune compromised wife were to get seriously ill and had to wait for treatment or an ICU bed, you’d still defend the unvaccinated’s decisions and entitlement to those services? People aren’t being forced to get vaccinated because they’re being denied entrance to restaurants. If hospitals could tell the unvaccinated to **** off, THAT would be more like forcing people to get vaccinated.

Yes. Trog, it's a free society. I can't make anyone do anything just because I think it is the right thing to do. My stance on the shot is clear. I think you should get it if you can. I can understand a person's hesitancy, because I had the same hesitancy. But in the end, it was the right decision for me to get the shot.

 

[oneforthebus]

Where have you corrected misinformation? If you're talking about the Nazi thing, that's simply an opinion/analogy, and not the best.

Seems the majority of the misinformation is coming from our own government and their selected 'health experts'.

The idea that delta was caused by the vaccines was my most recent correction. The story about the Pfizer CEO cancelling a trip because he wasn't vaxxed. There've been plenty of others in the past. The one about all of the animals dying after being tested with the vax comes to mind.

You can scroll through and find more if you want.

 

[Sarge]

And for the record, I don't give a **** about eating in a restaurant. I make better food at the house for a fraction of the price. Rarely eat out anymore.

 

[Steelworth]

You guys are all about freedom when it applies to you, but not when it applies to other people who choose not to be around people who are much more likely to be infected with a contagious disease.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I want freedom from all tyrannical mandates. Are you required to show proof of a flu shot patronizing normal establishments in every day life?

Why is this different? I'll tell why I think it's different. It's an experimental vaccine that hasn't gone through the rigorous testing a normal "vaccine" requires, it's not even fully FDA approved, and it's showing to be not very effective in contracting or even spreading the virus.

 

[oneforthebus]

And for the record, I don't give a **** about eating in a restaurant. I make better food at the house for a fraction of the price. Rarely eat out anymore.

I've personally been ordering takeout more frequently than eating out. Not for fear of the virus, it just kind of became a habit during covid. Drinks are cheaper, don't have to make reservations or wait for a table, and I have three young adults who are my own personal door dash (although they all go bye bye next week).

 

[Stoney]

So if your immune compromised wife were to get seriously ill and had to wait for treatment or an ICU bed, you’d still defend the unvaccinated’s decisions and entitlement to those services? People aren’t being forced to get vaccinated because they’re being denied entrance to restaurants. If hospitals could tell the unvaccinated to **** off, THAT would be more like forcing people to get vaccinated.

Obesity kills a lot more people than Covid. Maybe we should start shutting fat people out of hospitals so the won't be in your way?

The 'two weeks to flatten the curve' bullshit is over, and you need to get over it.

In my state there are 39 people hospitalized with Covid, 5 in ICU, 4 on ventilators. Now they don't talk about comorbitities, so who knows what the real cause of these hospitalizations may really be. But either way, if you listen to the news, you'd think there were hundreds of ICU beds tied up by unvaccinated mouth breathers, and they're going to kill the rest of us.

Meanwhile, in Martha's Vineyard, it's ovah kid! No masks, no social distancing, no main stream media stories mocking the mouth breathing non-maskers, some of whom are verifiably unvaccinated.

Don't be a sheep.

 

[oneforthebus]

I can't speak for everyone else, but I want freedom from all tyrannical mandates. Are you required to show proof of a flu shot patronizing normal establishments in every day life?

Why is this different? I'll tell why I think it's different. It's an experimental vaccine that hasn't gone through the rigorous testing a normal "vaccine" requires, it's not even fully FDA approved, and it's showing to be not very effective in contracting or even spreading the virus.

It's different because it's more contagious, more deadly and causes more long term effects to people than the flu.

 

[Steelworth]

The idea that delta was caused by the vaccines was my most recent correction. The story about the Pfizer CEO cancelling a trip because he wasn't vaxxed. There've been plenty of others in the past. The one about all of the animals dying after being tested with the vax comes to mind.

You can scroll through and find more if you want.

Fair enough, but seems pretty selective as well. What about all of the misinformation that's come from the government and it's health experts?

 

[oneforthebus]

Fair enough, but seems pretty selective as well. What about all of the misinformation that's come from the government and it's health experts?

I've pointed that out when I've seen it too. Learning things that we didn't know before, because the virus and the vaccines are new, doesn't count as "misinformation" to me like it does to some of you.

 

[Sarge]

The government is telling businesses who can and who can not come into their establishments, and if you don't comply they will pull your license. That is tyranny.

I hadn't heard that. Is there a link I can read this?

 

[Steelworth]

It's different because it's more contagious, more deadly and causes more long term effects to people than the flu.

Your mind isn't going to be changed on anything it seems (which is fine, I'm not trying to change it), but how in the world can you say long-term effects when this virus is barely even two years old?

 

[Steelworth]

I've pointed that out when I've seen it too. Learning things that we didn't know before, because the virus and the vaccines are new, doesn't count as "misinformation" to me like it does to some of you.

So when they get it wrong (which they've been incredibly good at), it's learning new things, but everything else is misinformation.

 

[oneforthebus]

Your mind isn't going to be changed on anything it seems (which is fine, I'm not trying to change it), but how in the world can you say long-term effects when this virus is barely even two years old?

I would consider months-long loss of taste and smell, breathing difficulties, vascular and organ damage, etc. to be long term effects. Long-term doesn't mean permanent. It means effects that linger after the the acute illness. Months is a pretty long time for a viral illness to still be affecting you.

 

[Troglodyte]

But what happens when it's a grocery store, pharmacy, or other business that provides essential services for life? Restaurants and Disney world are luxuries and can be lived without indefinitely. If the Government mandates that essential business disallow people without vax passports entry, they will have ultimately told you to either comply or die. That is a mandate.

Essential workers were there for everyone before the vaccine. Now everyone should get vaccinated for them.