Medical scientists in India reported four intersections in the spike glycoprotein that are unique to COVID-19 and not present in other coronaviruses. The article was taken down after it was suggested that Covid-19 was created in a lab by inserting the glycoprotein from HIV-1 into a sars virus.This same glycoprotein, identified as Glycoprotein 120, or simply as GP120, has also been found to be a key component of the current COVID-19, a disease that appears to combine a HIV-1 attack on the human immune system, with SARS CoV-1, the pathogen from the original SARS
No qualified person is saying what you are claiming.
SOURCE? Who is saying the vaccine is more dangerous and causes more deaths than Covid? Wouldn’t that be a widely reported controversy? You and Tim are creating your own reality.
Where do they say the vaccine is more dangerous and kills more young people than Covid? And they talking about kids <12, that’s not the same demographic.
"So on the one hand, you will say that of all the suspect deaths listed/reported, there is no causal link and we don't know.
But then you state as fact the deaths caused by the vaccines is minute. That's a bit of a flip flop."
What's the flip flop? I've said from the beginning, VAERS reports are not deaths caused by the vaccines, they are not suspected deaths caused by the vaccines. They are deaths that happened sometime after people got a vaccine and are an investigational tool used to see if there could be patterns or causal links.
CONFIRMED deaths caused by vaccines are minute is what I said. And that is true. And not at all different from saying it's possible more deaths have been caused by them. So far unconfirmed.
Why people fear the vaccines more than they fear getting covid is just mind boggling to me. It's not based on anything factual.
Are any of these folks willing to go public with this knowledge? Have they conducted or published any studies that demonstrate why they're not on board with these vaccines? Or are we just supposed to take "Some guys I work with think this" as some kind of scientific data.
Wow, are you suggesting they won't come forward about legitimate safety and efficacy concerns because they are worried about losing their federal funding? Huh. I would think saving lives and preventing vaccine harm would come first but what do I know. I don't work in the industry.
Is this a tibs and flog comment?Not naming who. but I think 2 people on here just need to **** and get it over with
So PHDs, NOT MDs.i think the Carnegie Mellon study is extremely telling… its a u curve on vaccine hesitancy…. The least educated and most educated are the most hesitant… the middle ground is almost all pro vaccine
but the group that was by far the least likely to support the vaccines in their current state are those with PHDs
Immune response to SARS-CoV1 is being seen at 17 years post infection.Conclusions
At 6 years postinfection, we detected antibody responses in 100% of MERS survivors who had severe or moderate disease and in 50% of survivors who had mild disease, demonstrating durability of the MERS-CoV–specific antibody response. Because we did not measure MERS-CoV–specific T lymphocyte responses, the number of MERS survivors who had detectable immune responses was probably underestimated.
Luckily, antibody response is only one aspect of the total immune reaction of the body. SARS-CoV-1 reactive T cells, for example, were found in SARS patients 17 years after infection
The Vaers data I’ve seen is for ALL ages. Making your own assumptions and inferences is not providing facts or sources of QUALIFIED opinion. You and Tim are delusional.You really can't ******* read can you? JFC it is like talking to brick wall except the brick wall has better reading comprehension. You ignore all sources posted you don't like. How many deaths has Covid caused in those under 18 in the US? How many VAERS reports have there been of deaths? One more time if only a fraction of them are actually from the Vaccine it would put it close to or worse than Covid FOR THOSE UNDER 18. AND ONE MORE TIME I take those reports with a grain of salt. Regardless Covid is not any significant risk for children particularly when compared to other dangers children face.
Please define “handful”, compare to 349 and explain logic.74.2Million people in the US who are 18-under
349 of them have died due to COVID (0.000004).
100% of those were kids with comorbidities, according to a report a read a month ago.
COVID doesn't kill our young.
Even a handful of young people dying from the vax makes the vax more deadly for our kids. Vaccinating our kids is STUPID, RECKLESS policy. That's why Israel, the UK and a half dozen other countries are not mandating vaccination of those 18 and under.
Has your executive medical friend you confide in and talk about often here gone public with his knowledge? Has he conducted or published any studies that demonstrate why he's on board with these vaccines?
Or are we just supposed to take your guy's anecdotal commentary as some kind of scientific data?
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You've done exactly what you accuse Steelworth of doing.
EDIT: (sorry I just got through you two arguing until 3 am and saw this point was beaten till the horse was dead 4 times)
Yeah, I'm not buying what you're selling here. VAERS reports are suspect adverse events. You say they are not. It's a reporting system. It's not a results system.
In the meantime, i downloaded the VAERS data again yesterday.
One entry: "I" took the vaccine. 2 days later "I" suffered an abnormally large period, almost like hemorrhaging. "I" am reporting this not my Dr. I did not see follow up care..." VAERS accepts "reports" of adverse events from Drs, individuals...anyone. It is not a results system. It's an incident reporting system.
None of us can draw conclusions from the VAERS data, it's merely a list of incidents. Your faith in the CDC seems incredible at this point. Can you point us to the Drs and researchers that analyze these VAERS incidents? And where they post the results of their investigations of these events?
Please define “handful”, compare to 349 and explain logic.
Again, avoiding possible but unlikely death isn’t the only reason for getting vaccinated. I’ve been getting the flu vaccine for years, never once was it because I was concerned that the flu might kill me.
Steelworth himself said that one of them had written about covid and the vaccines. I am always interested in reading educated opinions about them. Which is why I asked the question if they had published anything or conducted any studies. When someone tells me that elite scientists have real, factual reservations about the vaccines and aren't coming forward and letting the public know about them, that gives me pause.
I too like to hear the educated, the doctors, the scientists share their opinions.
Were you at all persuaded by anything Dr. Dan said in Indiana? Did the fact the (yes it was a survey) the large majority of physicians and nurses have little to no faith in the CDC and their guidance give you pause (the link I shared with you yesterday)?
Can you explain why the CDC would tell us the truth about a few proven adverse effects but lie to us about others? Seriously, what would be their motive?
You either believe that CDC scientists are nefarious liars or you believe they're telling us the truth.
I haven't had a chance to look at the data yet. I broadly agree with a lot of what he said, as you know. I think it's becoming consensus that these vaccines aren't going to eradicate covid. That doesn't mean they are without value. And correct me if my memory serves me wrong here, I don't think he said anything about the vaccines being dangerous. But I might be misremembering. Was up late lol and had tennis and work early. I'm wiped.
Here is what I captured from the video that he said about vaccines. He did not say they were dangerous. He talked instead about their effectiveness, or lack thereof. I found it odd, as I transcribed his words verbatim, that he said below - "No vaccine - even the ones I support and would give to my children - EVER stops infection." Which I infer to mean, as a doctor, he's not given them to his own children.
But no, he didn't say they are dangerous. He did say he believes they are potentially allowing the virus to become more dangerous.
- These vaccines will not make Covid go away - it isn't possible
- He asks: Why is a vaccine that is supposedly so effective, allowing a breakout in the middle of the summer, when respiratory viral syndromes, don't do that?
- Answer: You need to understand antibody mediated viral enhancement - a condition when vaccines work wrong (as they did in every corona virus study done in animals after the SARS outbreak, and likewise done in respiratory sincial virus) - where a vaccine used in a venerable individual, done the wrong way, causes the immune system to fight the virus incorrectly allowing the virus to become worse than it would with native infection.
- That is why you are seeing an outbreak right now
- He references the 75% Covid positive outbreak among the vaccinated then states "There is no reason for treating any person vaccinated any differently than any person unvaccinated."
- "No vaccine - even the ones I support and would give to my children - EVER stops infection."
And I agree with you...again and again...the vaccines have value.