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Covid Vaccine

It's like trying to talk to someone with oppositional defiance.
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Look, I don't know if the vaccine is the cause of excess mortality or not, but I know that excess mortality is great enough that a lot of highly placed people in a position to do something about it should be asking a lot more questions.

I imagine they are worried about the erosion of trust for some of these institutions if it comes out that the vax is the cause, but what they fail to realize is that by not asking and getting the truth out to people that erosion of trust isn't going anywhere.
It is being studied. There are studies all over the place about it, there’s one comparing all-cause mortality in vaxxed vs unvaxxed but since it’s on the CDC’s website I don’t bother posting it here. I posted a 30 minute video that has data on some of the numerous causes. The main ones being delayed cancer diagnosis and treatment, causing a predictable later spike in cancer deaths, and cardiovascular issues that spiked when covid spiked. Suicides, accidents and overdoses all up as well.
Despite the numerous postings here of young people dying, which sadly happens by the thousands due to numerous causes in every country every year, the data at least in this country) shows excess deaths are mainly in people over 50.
 
Of course it was commotio cordis. The 20-30 athletes dying a month were all due to pre-existing conditions too.

iu


I wish I was your financial advisor or real estate agent or broker. I'd retire my family and neighborhood on what I'd take from you.
So if his medical team confirms what many suspected from the start, they must be lying. They're all in on it! The NFL, all doctors everywhere.
Anything that fits your narrative is true, anything that doesn't is a lie.

Is his vaccine injured heart all fixed now? Why is he being cleared to play?
 
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So if his medical team confirms what many suspected from the start, they must be lying. They're all in on it! The NFL, all doctors everywhere.
Anything that fits your narrative is true, anything that doesn't is a lie.

Is his vaccine injured heart all fixed now? Why is he being cleared to play?

No OFTB. As Sarge says, we should be asking questions. We should be investigating every angle of these very dangerous vaccines.

Why are there so many unexplained deaths?
Why is there such excess mortality when the vast majority of the planet has been vaxxed?
Why are so many young people inexplicably dying?
Why are so many athletes suffering cardiac events on the field of play?
Why are some countries (like the UK) paying out damages to vaccine victims?
Why isn't the CDC investigating vaccine-suspect deaths?
Why aren't autopsies being performed?

And why do so many people trust these vaccines, like you, so willfully when there is so much evidence that they are maiming and killing?

The most dangerous vaccine given to mankind in history. And everyone's ok with accepting all they are told.

I don't believe there is a test for commotio cordis verifying the cause of his heart attack. That would rule out all other causes. This was his medical team's opinion.

Trust in science has been destroyed by our Government and the actions of the media and pharma companies, etc. This is one perfect example. I don't trust the diagnosis.
 

Here's a British study showing unvaccinated people are more likely to die than vaccinated ones, since we don't trust the CDC.

You won't accept studies anyone else posts that attack your beloved vaccines and the Government and the CDC you so love.

Why should we accept these?

You willfully dismiss anything anyone posts that says the vaccines are dangerous, harming people, etc.

This isn't a study. In fact study isn't even mentioned in the BBC shill article - https://www.bbc.com/news/health-64209221

This is data research, not a "clinical" study. Can you point to where in the article it makes the claim you say it's making? -

If vaccines were causing all of these deaths, how can that be?

Well it can't be when you only accept partisan inputs. Inside your echo chamber, it's not even a possibility.

For someone who keeps bowing out, saying you're finished with this thread, it's comical to see your what, 5th return?
 
Hmmm....

Adults have sharply higher risks of being diagnosed with heart, skin, and psychiatric conditions for at least 90 days after they receive Covid jabs, a peer-reviewed study of almost 300,000 people in California has shown.

The researchers examined new diagnoses given to the same people before and after they were vaccinated to see whether the shots changed the risk of new health problems.

They found that people were about 21 percent more likely to receive a new diagnosis in the three months after a shot, compared to the three months before. With almost 240 million American adults jabbed, the rise translates into millions of extra new medical problems found in the months after vaccination, and tens of millions worldwide.


For new diagnoses made after vaccination, we found that the five conditions with the highest post-vaccination odds of new diagnoses were myocarditis, dysautonomia, POTS, mast cell activation syndrome and urinary tract infection (UTI). Two POTS-associated conditions had lower odds, with fatigue demonstrating a moderate ratio and Ehlers–Danlos syndrome (EDS) having the second from the lowest ratio (Fig. 1a and Table 1). Overall, the post-vaccination odds of new POTS-associated diagnoses (n = 4,526, odds = 1.33 (1.25–1.41), P < 0.001) was higher than for CPC diagnoses (n = 33,590, odds = 1.21 (1.18–1.23), P < 0.001) but lower than for myocarditis (n = 25, odds = 2.57 (1.02–6.77), P = 0.046). When we repeated analyses around receipt of second (rather than the first) vaccination dose, we observed overall similar findings (Supplementary Table 1). The odds ratio (OR) of post-vaccine diagnoses of POTS-associated versus CPC conditions was 1.10 (1.03–1.17), P = 0.003, with similar results observed from analyses conducted using clustered bootstrapping (OR = 1.10 (1.02–1.17)). Patients with POTS-associated diagnoses (n = 1,924) after vaccination had similar demographics and vaccine types compared to the overall population (age 56 ± 20 years; 59% female; 67% White, 9% Asian and 11% African American and 12% Hispanic ethnicity; 59% Pfizer-BioNTech, 35% Moderna and 6.0% Johnson & Johnson/Janssen). We conducted sex-stratified analyses and found similar between-sex results for POTS-associated diagnoses, although EDS was rarely diagnosed in males (n = 5) compared to females (n = 35) (Fig. 1b,c).

Myocarditis diagnoses had the highest additional risk. They were about 2.6 times as likely overall, with an even higher risk in men. Myocarditis is a known side effect of the mRNAs, so the fact it had a particularly high rate of extra diagnoses provides strong evidence that the signal the researchers found was real.

Overall, the researchers reported that the 284,000 Covid-vaccinated adults they examined received almost 6,000 additional diagnoses of health conditions in the 90 days after being jabbed compared to the 90 days before.
 
Of course it was commotio cordis. The 20-30 athletes dying a month were all due to pre-existing conditions too.

iu


I wish I was your financial advisor or real estate agent or broker. I'd retire my family and neighborhood on what I'd take from you.
FFS, Tim.

1. Three specialist cleared him to play.
2. Commotio cordis is not a pre-existing condition.
3. Stop fantasizing about being a doctor before you start fantasizing about being a financial advisor.
 
FFS, Tim.

1. Three specialist cleared him to play.
2. Commotio cordis is not a pre-existing condition.
3. Stop fantasizing about being a doctor before you start fantasizing about being a financial advisor.
Stop fantasizing about getting your face on a Bud Light can.
 
FFS, Tim.

1. Three specialist cleared him to play.
2. Commotio cordis is not a pre-existing condition.
3. Stop fantasizing about being a doctor before you start fantasizing about being a financial advisor.

I never said he shouldn't be cleared to play.
I never said commotio cordis was a pre-existing condition.

That is the condition they are "blaming" the heart attack on. I'm challenging that they cannot definitively say that is the cause. They suspect it is. There is no test for it. I don't think you can do an MRI or a CT scan to provide evidence that was the cause.

So this is a professional opinion.

It's a lot like Yasmin Vossoughian of MSNBC. 44. Vegetarian. Hospitalized for 10 days due to heart inflammation. She doesn’t eat meat, doesn’t smoke, practices yoga, and until her health scare runs seven miles a day three to four times a week. Perfect health. Vossoughian had mysterious aches in her chest for 10 days, culminating in chest and shoulder pain so severe that she wound up in the emergency room where she was diagnosed with pericarditis, and needed a procedure to drain the fluid from the sac around her heart. She was held for four nights. 3 days later, she felt an arrhythmia - and was hospitalized again, with myocarditis, for five more nights.

Despite the CDC and every other organization in the world admitting these conditions can be and are caused by the mRNA vaccines, she/they blamed it on....

The common cold. Wouldn't even consider that possibly, maybe...it could have been a vaccine injury.

Nope. No sirree. It can't even be discussed. Though it is a "likely" culprit.
 
Nope. Not pissed off at all. I drink dark beer. Just having fun at your expense.

10:1 odds Floggy ran out and invested in 10 cases of Bud Light the day he saw Dylan squealing about getting his face on the can.

Bank it.
 
You won't accept studies anyone else posts that attack your beloved vaccines and the Government and the CDC you so love.

Why should we accept these?

You willfully dismiss anything anyone posts that says the vaccines are dangerous, harming people, etc.

This isn't a study. In fact study isn't even mentioned in the BBC shill article - https://www.bbc.com/news/health-64209221

This is data research, not a "clinical" study. Can you point to where in the article it makes the claim you say it's making? -



Well it can't be when you only accept partisan inputs. Inside your echo chamber, it's not even a possibility.

For someone who keeps bowing out, saying you're finished with this thread, it's comical to see your what, 5th return?
Like I said, every now and then I pop in and try to inject a little reality. I know you enjoy your echo chamber a lot more when I don't.

You have no study that shows vaccinated people dying at higher rates than unvaccinated ones. Young or old. From covid or any other cause. Let me know when you find one.
 
I never said he shouldn't be cleared to play.
I never said commotio cordis was a pre-existing condition.

That is the condition they are "blaming" the heart attack on. I'm challenging that they cannot definitively say that is the cause. They suspect it is. There is no test for it. I don't think you can do an MRI or a CT scan to provide evidence that was the cause.

So this is a professional opinion.

It's a lot like Yasmin Vossoughian of MSNBC. 44. Vegetarian. Hospitalized for 10 days due to heart inflammation. She doesn’t eat meat, doesn’t smoke, practices yoga, and until her health scare runs seven miles a day three to four times a week. Perfect health. Vossoughian had mysterious aches in her chest for 10 days, culminating in chest and shoulder pain so severe that she wound up in the emergency room where she was diagnosed with pericarditis, and needed a procedure to drain the fluid from the sac around her heart. She was held for four nights. 3 days later, she felt an arrhythmia - and was hospitalized again, with myocarditis, for five more nights.

Despite the CDC and every other organization in the world admitting these conditions can be and are caused by the mRNA vaccines, she/they blamed it on....

The common cold. Wouldn't even consider that possibly, maybe...it could have been a vaccine injury.

Nope. No sirree. It can't even be discussed. Though it is a "likely" culprit.
You do know that myocarditis existed before covid, before vaccines, and viral illnesses have always been a common cause, right? Did she receive a vaccine right before this illness that you know of?

Myocarditis shortly after receiving a vaccine is a known occurrence. Myocarditis months or years after getting a vaccine is not. Myocarditis is an inflammatory immune system reaction to something. It's nonsensical to conclude that it occurs in people months or years later.
 
Funny how the hook and bait works with some.

Robert Malone invents mRNA.
Robert Malone preaches the dangers of mRNA, which goes against the ideology.
Massive smear campaign ensues to cancel Robert Malone.

Fish bites and eats it up.

Floggy = fish.
What so ****** about him, he said very early kids should not be taking that ****. Blackballed.
 
Like I said, every now and then I pop in and try to inject a little reality. I know you enjoy your echo chamber a lot more when I don't.

You have no study that shows vaccinated people dying at higher rates than unvaccinated ones. Young or old. From covid or any other cause. Let me know when you find one.

And likewise, you cannot prove the vaccines aren't the cause of so many excess deaths. That the VAERS and Medicare and Medaid reports aren't valid.

If you can rule out the vaccine as the cause of those reported deaths, we will listen.
 
You do know that myocarditis existed before covid, before vaccines, and viral illnesses have always been a common cause, right?

You do realize that those conditions are documented FDA listed side effects of the vaccine? But when someone GETS myocarditis, like a broken record, you insist it couldn't possibly be BECAUSE of the vaccine. Ever. <sigh>. The FDA even disagrees with you.

You like to tell the story of your friend who died of Covid, didn't get the vaccine. I like to tell the story of my sister, blood relative, who did two rounds of Moderna. After the 2nd, which kept her in bed for nearly 3 days, she developed inflammation of the heart. 6 weeks later. Hospitalized.

I can tell you it happens.

We have every right to ask "was the vaccine a potential contributor to Yasmin Vossoughian's heart conditions?" Asking the question, guessing it could have been due to the vaccine, is a science based question. It doesn't make anyone a "denier."

We'd like the truth.
 
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It is being studied. There are studies all over the place about it, there’s one comparing all-cause mortality in vaxxed vs unvaxxed but since it’s on the CDC’s website I don’t bother posting it here. I posted a 30 minute video that has data on some of the numerous causes. The main ones being delayed cancer diagnosis and treatment, causing a predictable later spike in cancer deaths, and cardiovascular issues that spiked when covid spiked. Suicides, accidents and overdoses all up as well.
Despite the numerous postings here of young people dying, which sadly happens by the thousands due to numerous causes in every country every year, the data at least in this country) shows excess deaths are mainly in people over 50.

Why is the CDC not studying it? (you've previously said they were. It's their job).

Why are autopsies not being performed on those suspected of having died from complications from the vaccines?

Why are they removing reports from VAERS?
 
Pfizer suppressed more damning information about the vaccine. Three MDs.

Report 66: 1,077 Immune-Mediated/Autoimmune Adverse Events in First 90 Days of Pfizer mRNA “Vaccine” Rollout, Including 12 Fatalities. Pfizer Undercounted This Category of Adverse Events by 270 Occurrences.​


April 13, 2023 • by Joseph Gehrett, MD; Barbara Gehrett, MD; Chris Flowers, MD; and Loree Britt

The War Room/DailyClout Pfizer Documents Analysis Project Post-Marketing Group (Team 1) – Joseph Gehrett, MD; Barbara Gehrett, MD; Chris Flowers, MD; and Loree Britt – wrote an important review of immune-mediated/autoimmune adverse events found in Pfizer document 5.3.6 Cumulative Analysis of Post-Authorization Adverse Event Reports of PF-07302048 (BNT162B2) Received Through 28-FEB-2021 (a.k.a., “5.3.6“). This category is comprised of the numerous diseases resulting from disordered immune attacks against tissues of any of the body’s organs. However, it excludes anaphylaxis which has its own separate report, as well as autoimmune diseases attaching nerve tissue (e.g., Guillain-Barré), which have been explored in other 5.3.6 neurological and musculoskeletal reports.

It is important to note that the adverse events (AEs) in the 5.3.6 document were reported to Pfizer for only a 90-day period starting on December 1, 2020, the date of the United Kingdom’s public rollout of Pfizer’s COVID-19 experimental mRNA “vaccine” product.

Highlights of this report include:
  • Twelve immune-mediated/autoimmune adverse events were fatal.
  • Of adverse events with gender specified, 77% (526) were female, and 23% (156) were male – a female to male ratio of 3.4 to 1.
  • Ages of affected patients were 19% elderly, 71% adult, <1% adolescent, and 10% not reported.
  • Time from vaccination to onset was given for 75% of events with a range of 24 hours to 30 days. Half started within 24 hours of injection.
  • Only immune-mediated/autoimmune diseases or conditions with over 10 cases are included in Pfizer’s reporting, leaving out 270 adverse events of this type. Thus, adverse events in this category were undercounted by Pfizer.
  • Adverse events in this group include:
    • Hypersensitivity (which is not further defined, though it accounts for 55% of the AEs.
    • Peripheral neuropathy, which often causes weakness, numbness and pain, usually in the hands and feet, and can also affect other areas and body functions including digestion, urination, and circulation.
    • Pericarditis (inflammation of the lining of the heart).
    • Myocarditis (immune attack against the heart muscle).
    • Encephalitis (brain inflammation disorders).
    • Diabetes.
    • Psoriasis.
    • Dermatitis.
    • Blistering Skin disorder.
    • Autoimmune disorder.
    • Raynaud’s phenomenon.
  • Immune rejection of transplanted organs was not mentioned whether from there being zero instances of it or, perhaps, because there were 10 or fewer instances.
Pfizer concluded, “This cumulative case review does not raise new safety issues. Surveillance will continue.” However, as of the date of this report, 25.5 months after the completion of Pfizer’s post-marketing analysis, no additional safety data has been released to the public.

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You do realize that those conditions are documented FDA listed side effects of the vaccine? But when someone GETS myocarditis, like a broken record, you insist it couldn't possibly be BECAUSE of the vaccine. Ever. <sigh>. The FDA even disagrees with you.

You like to tell the story of your friend who died of Covid, didn't get the vaccine. I like to tell the story of my sister, blood relative, who did two rounds of Moderna. After the 2nd, which kept her in bed for nearly 3 days, she developed inflammation of the heart. 6 weeks later. Hospitalized.

I can tell you it happens.

We have every right to ask "was the vaccine a potential contributor to Yasmin Vossoughian's heart conditions?" Asking the question, guessing it could have been due to the vaccine, is a science based question. It doesn't make anyone a "denier."

We'd like the truth.
I’ve never insisted it couldn’t possibly be the vaccine. I’ve only said that every medical condition that ever happens to anyone isn’t necessarily caused by the vaccine. I and the CDC and the vaccine manufacturers have acknowledged repeatedly that there are known rare side effects of the vaccine like almost every single other medical intervention in existence.
 
Why is the CDC not studying it? (you've previously said they were. It's their job).

Why are autopsies not being performed on those suspected of having died from complications from the vaccines?

Why are they removing reports from VAERS?
They are studying it. Again I don’t usually bother posting CDC links here because I know what the response will be but here goes: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm
Since you won’t bother reading it, the gist is that a large scale study found that even after excluding Covid deaths, the overall death rate is higher in unvaccinated people than vaccinated people. If the vaccine was widely killing people as you claim, that would not be possible.
 
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But according to you the CDC is lying, Hamlin’s doctors are lying, the newscaster is lying or her doctors are. Everyone who ever says a medical condition or death was not caused by the vaccine is lying. They’re all in on it!
 
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