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Covid Vaccine

Tim Steelersfan said:
I'm not arguing that. Ya'lll keep hammering that point.

The point you continue to miss is that IF the vaccines are great at reducing SERIOUS illness, nearly 50% of their SERIOUS illnesses wouldn't be vaccinated people.

If we were talking about a situation where cases weren't rising, it would be different. But right now, cases are escalating (the vaccines aren't preventing spread) and nearly half of their SERIOUS cases are vaccinated. The numbers should still be infinitely higher for unvaccinated people being seriously ill. They are not.

And Serious illnesses continue to rise there, they have been ALL month long.

I'm not arguing the vaccines are useless. I am however arguing they aren't as effective as we've been told they are. It went from the vaccines will prevent the spread and keep you from dying to they don't prevent the spread AT ALL to their ability to prevent you from SERIOUS ILLNESS is now greatly in question.

Not a good report card.
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You either don’t understand or are unable or unwilling to put things in proper context. OFTB tried in vain to explain this to you. One last shot…

If 100% of Israel’s 7 million adults were vaccinated, the vaccinated would make up 100% of the serious cases, but there would only be 125 serious cases instead of 250. If ZERO percent of Israel’s adults were vaccinated, naturally, the vaccinated would make up zero percent of the serious cases, but there would be 1,000 serious cases instead of 250.

Eight times less likely to develop serious illness or die is consistent with what we’ve been told.
 
Troglodyte said:
The daily averages are currently 56,000 hospitalizations and 500 deaths. If that was 5,600 hospitalizations and 50 deaths, nobody would be talking about Covid.
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Bullshit.

June 27, 2021: 3,927 cases, 76 deaths in the United States.

August 1, 2021: 71 deaths in the United States.

ourworldindata.org

Daily confirmed COVID-19 cases and deaths

The confirmed counts shown here are lower than the total counts. The main reason for this is limited testing and challenges in the attribution of the cause of death.
ourworldindata.org ourworldindata.org

And Floggy still pumping the Chinese flu panic like the lying imbecile carnival barker he is.
 
Troglodyte said:
You either don’t understand or are unable or unwilling to put things in proper context. OFTB tried in vain to explain this to you. One last shot…

If 100% of Israel’s 7 million adults were vaccinated, the vaccinated would make up 100% of the serious cases, but there would only be 125 serious cases instead of 250. If ZERO percent of Israel’s adults were vaccinated, naturally, the vaccinated would make up zero percent of the serious cases, but there would be 1,000 serious cases instead of 250.

Eight times less likely to develop serious illness or die is consistent with what we’ve been told.
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Ya'll keep hammering this "math" but miss the point I continue to make. I agree that if 100% of Israelis were vaccinated, 100% of the cases would be among the vaccinated. You would also assume, that if 7% (hypothetical) of vaccinated are going to get the virus again and become hospitalized, you would assume that 7% figure would remain the same throughout the spike or curve.

Instead it is not. The # of Seriously Ill per 100K of vaccinated and partially vaccinated people is increasing by 957% and over 3,000% respectively.

Is this making sense? If I have 100 cases of fully vaccinated patients and 7% are gonna be reinfected and hospitalized, that is 7. If I end up a month later with 1,000 cases, I should see 70. If I see a million cases, I should see 70,000 seriously hospitalized.

What we are seeing this month among those vaccinated and partially vaccinated is an increase in the rate of those people that are getting seriously ill.

Yes, absolute cases are going to rise. Duh. What's bothersome is that RATE. A larger % of the "protected" population is becoming seriously ill with growing cases. That shouldn't be happening to this degree.
 
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Ouch.

Dr. Kobi Haviv, Director of Jerusalem Hospital: "‘Vaccinated account for 95% of severe Covid hospitalizations. Vaccine effectiveness is fading.’"

(make sure to read the subtitles)



This is his opinion, of course. Of course, his opinion should matter. Add that to the other data.

Look I want these fucken vaccines to work. I want this **** to be over with. But with each passing day, the story is not getting better.
 
Steeltime said:
Bullshit.

June 27, 2021: 3,927 cases, 76 deaths in the United States.

August 1, 2021: 71 deaths in the United States.

ourworldindata.org

Daily confirmed COVID-19 cases and deaths

The confirmed counts shown here are lower than the total counts. The main reason for this is limited testing and challenges in the attribution of the cause of death.
ourworldindata.org ourworldindata.org

And Floggy still pumping the Chinese flu panic like the lying imbecile carnival barker he is.
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Use the 7 or 14 day average. Cases and deaths were never that low. And nobody was talking about Covid and vaccines in June. Check how many pages of this thread are after June.
 
Troglodyte said:
Use the 7 or 14 day average. Cases and deaths were never that low. And nobody was talking about Covid and vaccines in June. Check how many pages of this thread are after June.
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Stats show you are a lying cheap-*** *****?

"Let's look at a different stat."

**** off.
 
Troglodyte said:
You either don’t understand or are unable or unwilling to put things in proper context. OFTB tried in vain to explain this to you. One last shot…

If 100% of Israel’s 7 million adults were vaccinated, the vaccinated would make up 100% of the serious cases, but there would only be 125 serious cases instead of 250. If ZERO percent of Israel’s adults were vaccinated, naturally, the vaccinated would make up zero percent of the serious cases, but there would be 1,000 serious cases instead of 250.

Eight times less likely to develop serious illness or die is consistent with what we’ve been told.
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Today the head of a major Jerusalem hospital announced that 95% of their new severe cases are fully vaccinated and that they are opening more and more covid wards because of it

The data lag between what we hear here to what is being said overseas seems to be a couple of weeks so probably two to three weeks from now this will be a thing admitted to be seen here…



Your previously posted the results of the actual Israeli healthcare workers… as i tried to explain earlier people who have had covid earlier, which is likely over 90% of healthcare workers, are going to bias the vaccine effectiveness numbers


All of this was predicted as potential issues with the science of the mrna done how they did… the science said they needed 3 parts of the process to be effective and they only utilized one then tested it only against the initial strand of virus

the important thing to notice here is how they are doing all of the testing of traditional covid vaccines with the human lab rats taking a shot of mrna vaccines as well… there is some concern that the two might not be compatible…
 
The major problem with mRNA (other than they've never been used in a vaccine before, the spike proteins etc.) is like Vader already said, they're unstable/untenable.

This is going to just get murkier and twisted. Don't put too much stock into anything right now, other than common sense basics modern humans have been doing for centuries.
 
Steeltime said:
Stats show you are a lying cheap-*** *****?

"Let's look at a different stat."

**** off.
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That is literally the dude's only avenue of debate here. He waffles from one changing stat to another in attempts to say "gotcha." So evasive, so weak.
 
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Debunked misinformation. The trip happened in early March, before vaccines were widely available. He announced in December that due to being only 59 he would wait his turn and let more elderly people get the vaccine first. The ethical thing to do. He got his second dose March 10.

apnews.com

Pfizer CEO was fully vaccinated in March

CLAIM: The CEO of Pfizer had to cancel a planned trip to Israel because he was not fully vaccinated. AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context.
apnews.com apnews.com
 
Thanks just saw it this morning.
 
I clearly don't agree with everything he said, but wow Borish Johnson, wow.

"It is very, very important for everyone to understand that the reduction in these numbers...hospitalizations, and in deaths, and in infections, has not been achieved by the vaccination program."

He then goes on to say its been the lockdowns. ::cough cough::

 
So for those of you interested...should you come down with COVID, there is a way for you to get Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin and not die because politics won't let Drs in your region prescribe you with the medications you want to take.

In fact, I know a lot of people who are going and getting these medications "in case" to have on hand to use if they come down with it.

Go to:

americasfrontlinedoctors.org

How Do I Get COVID-19 Medication? - America's Frontline Doctors

1 Click on the contact a physician button below. Fill out the form and pay $90. The physician will call you typically within 2-7 days (not counting weekends). Please keep your phone with you. After your telemed appointment, the pharmacy will contact you for your payment information and mailing...
americasfrontlinedoctors.org americasfrontlinedoctors.org

You will see all the instructions there.

If you think you have Covid, or you know you have Covid, you can get a telemedicine appointment right away. If you contact and you are not sick (which please, if you are not, use this option so as not to put someone else down the list), you'll wait 2-7 days. But you can have hydroxy and Ivermectin on hand after a wait.

Sometimes the website is overloaded. If it is for you:

Here is the "Contact a Physician" link: https://speakwithanmd.com/americasfrontlinedoctors/

Here are some other numbers/emails you can use: info@speakwithanmd.com, or call their customer service at (404) 601-1276.

Apparently Ivermectin is what saved Louis Gossett Jr from it in December.

 
Vader said:
If Trump came out today and said "Please for the love of God don't use Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin" The Dems would have candy dispensers full of them on every street corner.
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I honestly don't know why he hasn't played that game this year. Whatever he wants to see America do, call for the opposite.

It will work.
 
Troglodyte said:
Population 9.3 million. If 85% of adults (7 million?) are vaccinated, they have approx. 6,000,000 vaccinated, and 1,000,000 unvaccinated. If there are 250 serious illnesses (as stated in the article I posted yesterday) 108 are vaccinated, 142 are unvaccinated. So… 1 in 56,000 vaccinated are seriously ill with Covid while 1 in 7,000 unvaccinated are seriously ill. The unvaccinated are EIGHT TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE SERIOUSLY ILL.

What part of it are YOU not getting? The math part?
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That is true at this point in time but every passing week those numbers skew in the wrong direction

It was less than 1%, then 5% vaccinated, then double digits… as of now its swung to the majority… this could be because the non immunized have mostly had it and have natural immunity at this time so the numbes are drifting to the immunized only..

But thenumbers aren’t looking great now in relation to what they wanted… for certain ones like pfizer… that wouldn’t get approved if it wasn’t a emergency edict… lots of side effect questions with lingering problems, low efficiency for preventing long infection or transmission… ot should not have been approved

Im not arguing that tgere isnt a statistical advantage in the vaccine, however the majority of the vaccinated are people from high risk jobs who also were most likely to have had the vaccine before, so its within reason that that advantage might simply be a secondary source interfering with the true data

That article i posted a while back about the concerns on mrna specifically covered why using a traditional virus based vaccine often covers all the immediate variants with a strong antibody response while pfizer used a shortcut from what the data said they probably had to do, to what they actually did and refused to say why…

the speculation was they wanted a multifaceted booster program, but that isn’t certain to work …

amd the other thing, bad side effects are rising as well as tge companies potentially covering them up… moderno just got outed for sitting on 3000 deaths and 300000 bad effects, far more than they officially reported, by the independent company that track vaccination and medication results … the company has yet to explain why it didn’t report these to vaers…


the bottom line is the benefits to the vaccine compared to the potential long term or even short term risk makes no sense to a lot of people, and that should be their right since the vaccine isnt able to produce a strong enough immune response to quickly eradicate it before its spread.
 
How many here said "They aren't ever going to mandate vaccines?"

Fights in the streets in Paris. Australia. It's growing. Both the mandates and passports as well as well as the resistance.

Shame where we are.



Some pepper spray in this first clip. French patriots have been fighting hard every weekend.

More than 150 separate protests across france today







 
Steeltime said:
More proof of how much (D)imbos fear the Chinese flu, particularly the (D)imbo power control variant. Look at these people wearing masks, social distancing, etc.



Uhh, never mind.
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Tim Steelersfan said:
I honestly don't know why he hasn't played that game this year. Whatever he wants to see America do, call for the opposite.

It will work.
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Good point.

Open the borders to all!
Raise taxes!
Get the horseshit jabby jab!
Buy foreign made products!
Commit crimes and riot at will!
Dont go **** yourselves!
 
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