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Dear Pat Meyer

When it is 4th and 1, everybody knows whats coming. Unfortunatley it is 4th and a yard, not 4th and an inch. We get zero push.
 
‘Have no desire to defend pat meyer” then stop! There’s not a worse line coach in the NFL! The line play fell right off after he got here and it’s stayed off! Any other coach would made the change 3 years ago! Look how many lineman have come and gone. We doesn’t know what Harris can do cuz he never has a hole to run into the qbs are usually running around outside the pocket. Give both these qbs a clean pocket and then we might really know what they can do. Meyer is horribly mediocre so is the line, so is the offense! it starts the line coach!
 
What the hell do you want him to say? "You know, Mr. Sideline reporter, this will be our second half strategy with Garrett!" Tell the world, and any Brown exec that's watching.

It's the results that matter, not what he says. I don't think Garrett had a sack after halftime, so they must have done something.

I'll never understand why people listen to, or get aggravated by, anything a coach says on TV. They are all full of shiit or won't say anything. It's part of it.
Here's the problem I have with Tomlin, and I will admit that he is a good coach. But when things go wrong he never says I have to be better, it's always "We".
 
Tomlin only picks yes men for support positions. No other qualifications are evaluated.
Apparently Tomlin's weren't either! Going 31st against the pass in MN as defensive coordinator in 2006 gets you head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers!
 
‘Have no desire to defend pat meyer” then stop! There’s not a worse line coach in the NFL! The line play fell right off after he got here and it’s stayed off! Any other coach would made the change 3 years ago! Look how many lineman have come and gone. We doesn’t know what Harris can do cuz he never has a hole to run into the qbs are usually running around outside the pocket. Give both these qbs a clean pocket and then we might really know what they can do. Meyer is horribly mediocre so is the line, so is the offense! it starts the line coach!
We are in silly season. They lost a game after winning 5 in a row. In a snowstorm. On a short week. Away on the short week. Thursday nights on the road are tough, regardless of the opponent. After playing the Ravens. Against a team that most admitted here was going to play like it was their Super Bowl.

And people are worried about the OL coach. Would we be griping about the OL coach if Daniels was in there at RG, Fautanu was in there at RT, and maybe by this time Jones was starting at his natural position? I like Dan Moore, but Jones potential is way higher, no doubt. I have a feeling we wouldn't be and Meyer would be looking like a much better coach.

And yet, with this line and coach, they are 8-3. And still control their own destiny. Amazing.

Losing on Thursday sucked. The coaching was poor. But for the love. I really think sometimes some here would rather they lose so they can ***** and moan about everything they don't like. It's Monday now, and we have worked our way down to the OL coach. Maybe by Wednesday we'll be bitching about some obscure offensive consultant. They gotta get better consultants!
 
We all heaped praise on Munch
He brought a tough guy attitude ya know an identity for the OL to latch onto

He also made guys like AV better players

I’ve yet to see a guy improve under the “tutelage” of Pat


That is my HUGE point as well. Pat Meyer doesn’t seem to improve anyone’s play. Broderick Jones is a great example, he is teaching himself through time / reps in game.

I see other teams (not all) OL rookie / new players come in and produce. Here, it’s like a hidden secret code to figure out how to block. Simplify the ****-ing scheme if you have to. Start as bulldozers and work your way up.

It’s also the overall offensive scheme that is a root cause of most problems with-inj this Offense.


Salute the nation
 
That is my HUGE point as well. Pat Meyer doesn’t seem to improve anyone’s play. Broderick Jones is a great example, he is teaching himself through time / reps in game.

I see other teams (not all) OL rookie / new players come in and produce. Here, it’s like a hidden secret code to figure out how to block. Simplify the ****-ing scheme if you have to. Start as bulldozers and work your way up.

It’s also the overall offensive scheme that is a root cause of most problems with-inj this Offense.


Salute the nation
You do? It sounds like I'm being a smartasss, but I don't mean it that way. If it isn't the Steelers, I am a very casual NFL viewer. I'll watch other games, focus for a few minutes, walk off and do something, mess with the dogs, get a beer, dammit, my wife all the sudden wants to talk about something, etc. So I'll see a player for a few plays do some good things, think why can't the Steelers have that, then look at the stats after the game and the guy didn't do much else. I've learned over the years we we hyper focus on the Steelers every move, so we see the warts. We don't on other teams so we think they do everything so much better.

As for Broderick Jones, if you believe some of the things out there, he seems to think since he was a first it should just be given to him. If that is the attitude, not sure even Munch could reach him until he changes that. Another poster mentioned AV. Well, there you have a driven guy. He was an Army Ranger, for crying out loud. Munch didn't have to worry about that. Again, I'm not taking anything away from Munch. He was a great coach and I'd love to have him back. But some perspective is important.
 
Look, I really have have no desire to defend Pat Meyer. It just seems strange to me the criticism he gets. Let's just take the Cleveland game for example. The OL coach seems to me to be down the line of people to blame. They have become predictable. I have liked what Arthur Smith is doing, but teams know what is coming. That is going to impact the OL success. It almost felt like Matt Canada was back Thursday night. Najee Harris is a huge problem. It hits you square in the face after watching Barkley last night. Harris is running like he is running in concrete. There is very little threat he is gonna take it to the house even if he pops, so why not blitz into these predictable runs? So you have predictability combined with a back no one fears. Add to that this refusal they have to use Friermuth more even though they gave a big contract to before the season began. It's baffling.

Frazier is playing well. And yes, he is a stud. But Meyer has him prepared. The NFL is a hell of a lot different than whoever West Virginia was facing week in and week out.

Did those OLs become better with the same people, or did those teams bring in better talent? Neither of us knows for sure.
We are in silly season indeed, silly that Mayer was allowed to return for another silly season. But alas we know Mike isn’t very agile when it comes to cutting his yes men. There are many better assistant OL coaches than Mayer and when he finally leaves the unit will improve.

Not sure I’d call it a refusal to use Muth
He averages about 4 targets a game

One of his problems is he lacks blocking technique too. Frequently when assigned to chip he can’t get into a good route fast enough to be a factor behind the porous (poorly coached) OL’s lack of blocking.
Aside from that he frequently whiffs on blocks, for a guy his size I’d definitely expect better blocking ability from him too. He is average on his best days and frequently subpar on blocking. Doesn’t appear to be a great fit for what AS asks a TE to do. This staff loves pounding square pegs.
 
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We are in silly season indeed, silly that Mayer was allowed to return for another silly season. But alas we know Mike isn’t very agile when it comes to cutting his yes men. There are many better assistant OL coaches than Mayer and when he finally leaves the unit will improve.

Not sure I’d call it a refusal to use Muth
He averages about 4 targets a game

One of his problems is he lacks blocking technique too. Frequently when assigned to chip he can’t get into a good route fast enough to be a factor behind the porous (poorly coached) OL’s lack of blocking.
Aside from that he frequently whiffs on blocks, for a guy his size I’d definitely expect better blocking ability from him too. He is average on his best days and frequently subpar on blocking. Doesn’t appear to be a great fit for what AS asks a TE to do. This staff loves pounding square pegs.
Idk. I respect your viewpoint, and if they would fire Pat Meyer, I would lose no sleep. I guess in the pantheon of things to think about when it come to this team, for example predictability, Najee can't get out of his own way, lack of a #2, where is Minkah?, why can't they score in the red zone...yet they are 8-3, and...Pat Meyer? I haven't thought of Pat Meyer all year. I haven't thought of any of the coaches really outside of Mike Tomlin and Arthur Smith. It just surprised me I guess.
 
Idk. I respect your viewpoint, and if they would fire Pat Meyer, I would lose no sleep. I guess in the pantheon of things to think about when it come to this team, for example predictability, Najee can't get out of his own way, lack of a #2, where is Minkah?, why can't they score in the red zone...yet they are 8-3, and...Pat Meyer? I haven't thought of Pat Meyer all year. I haven't thought of any of the coaches really outside of Mike Tomlin and Arthur Smith. It just surprised me I guess.
The D coach should make you think some too, especially in prevent mode. I know it is a Tomlin thing that comes from the Tampon 2 (lol), but maybe grow a ******* pair and challenge his obsolete ideas?
 
The D coach should make you think some too, especially in prevent mode. I know it is a Tomlin thing that comes from the Tampon 2 (lol), but maybe grow a ******* pair and challenge his obsolete ideas?
Yeah, but with the defense, there are cosmetic things, but at the end of the day, on any 1st down since 1992, the defense pretty much looks the same. I am exaggerating to clarify, but I think that is a fair statement. Just the people in the helmets have changed. Is in incredible when you think about it. But I guess I don't think about it too much, because like death and taxes, it's inevitable, like the prevent thing. That has been going on since 1992 as well. There was that stat for a while how Cowher never lost a game leading by 10 in the 4th or something, whatever it was. What that stat doesn't tell you is how interesting some of those games got.
 
Idk. I respect your viewpoint, and if they would fire Pat Meyer, I would lose no sleep. I guess in the pantheon of things to think about when it come to this team, for example predictability, Najee can't get out of his own way, lack of a #2, where is Minkah?, why can't they score in the red zone...yet they are 8-3, and...Pat Meyer? I haven't thought of Pat Meyer all year. I haven't thought of any of the coaches really outside of Mike Tomlin and Arthur Smith. It just surprised me I guess.
There are multiple Issues indeed
They are lucky to be in the position they are now
A lot of smoke and mirrors and good breaks so far to be where they are
The reality check is coming into view down the stretch I predict as the ball won’t keep bouncing their way all season

Minkah has been invisible true
Najee is what he’s always been a high usage back that is always available to put his dangerously average skill set on the field
Pat Mayer still the same bad technique being taught for years-square peg
A HC who loves to try to protect a 1 score lead
No WR2
A couple non elite QBs who are both better than the absolute crap we had last year
Turnstiles at OT

Funny thing is they could be a 1 loss team
Could also be at about 3-4 wins
Hard to get a pulse of what this team actually is
That’s the parity of the NFL

Good news is that a Tomlinship is a virtual lock as even a blind squirrel will get a nut somewhere in half a season.

At least we have a couple exciting players to watch
 
You do? It sounds like I'm being a smartasss, but I don't mean it that way. If it isn't the Steelers, I am a very casual NFL viewer. I'll watch other games, focus for a few minutes, walk off and do something, mess with the dogs, get a beer, dammit, my wife all the sudden wants to talk about something, etc. So I'll see a player for a few plays do some good things, think why can't the Steelers have that, then look at the stats after the game and the guy didn't do much else. I've learned over the years we we hyper focus on the Steelers every move, so we see the warts. We don't on other teams so we think they do everything so much better.

As for Broderick Jones, if you believe some of the things out there, he seems to think since he was a first it should just be given to him. If that is the attitude, not sure even Munch could reach him until he changes that. Another poster mentioned AV. Well, there you have a driven guy. He was an Army Ranger, for crying out loud. Munch didn't have to worry about that. Again, I'm not taking anything away from Munch. He was a great coach and I'd love to have him back. But some perspective is important.


I do hear you and understand what you are saying. We have a tendency to “Microscope” our beloved STEELERS.

I look at how long we have had OL woe’s and I see Pat Meyer………………. Tomlin’s hiring of which has been susceptible in the past, could easily be shown here as well. Play calling definitely has big impact on OL, overall scheme has impact as well.

Browns game shows that hence they loosened the play reins, they scored and made a come back. Then once got the lead, that conservative scheme kicked back in and you saw the out come, OL became questionable again.

In any event, coaching is involved and the “Pat Meyer” will be the scape-goat, like it or not. My opinion is it should happen sooner than later but, not in season.


Salute the nation
 
There are multiple Issues indeed
They are lucky to be in the position they are now
A lot of smoke and mirrors and good breaks so far to be where they are
The reality check is coming into view down the stretch I predict as the ball won’t keep bouncing their way all season

Minkah has been invisible true
Najee is what he’s always been a high usage back that is always available to put his dangerously average skill set on the field
Pat Mayer still the same bad technique being taught for years-square peg
A HC who loves to try to protect a 1 score lead
No WR2
A couple non elite QBs who are both better than the absolute crap we had last year
Turnstiles at OT

Funny thing is they could be a 1 loss team
Could also be at about 3-4 wins
Hard to get a pulse of what this team actually is
That’s the parity of the NFL

Good news is that a Tomlinship is a virtual lock as even a blind squirrel will get a nut somewhere in half a season.

At least we have a couple exciting players to watch
I'll have to defer to you on the technique Pat Meyer teaches and all that. I'm certainly not an OL guru. But I think of a couple of those 4th downs against the Browns, and the plays were so predictable, and the one with Warren was so disjointed (players going off, coming back on, unorganized)...does Pat Meyer's techniques have anything to do with the lack of success? If Munch was coaching the OL under the same circumstances would have they had success?

I just feel like if they get less predictable, for example, things will look a lot better. Maybe that's too simple.
 
This is where I agree with the anti-Tomlin guys. You'd think after the Matt Canada debacle we would not still be talking about their offense being predictable, but here we are. So he is the constant. What I don't understand from him is he wasn't always that way. At one time he had Ben throwing for 6 tds in a game so he has opened it up some. I know he hasn't had a QB like that, but Wilson ain't a piker.
 
I didn't say great, much less greatest ever. That would require hiring competent assistants that he would have to replace every few years with other teams snatching them for their HC positions. And he would have to actually let them coach. As of now, he's above average in the league, which puts him in the "good" category.
 
I'll have to defer to you on the technique Pat Meyer teaches and all that. I'm certainly not an OL guru. But I think of a couple of those 4th downs against the Browns, and the plays were so predictable, and the one with Warren was so disjointed (players going off, coming back on, unorganized)...does Pat Meyer's techniques have anything to do with the lack of success? If Munch was coaching the OL under the same circumstances would have they had success?

I just feel like if they get less predictable, for example, things will look a lot better. Maybe that's too simple.
Both things are likely true

Need to be more unpredictable and need better OL coaching, having our 1st round tackle would’ve likely helped too as Jones could then slip to LT. Likely a few issues contributing to the failing.

When we race guys into the field for 4th down, having obvious personnel issues then try to snap short yardage with 1 second on the play clock it definitely helps the D time the snap count to tee off as well. For a coach that loves to waste TOs this would have been an intelligent place to call one on such a weighty down…not many have accused him of great intelligence tho, motivation sure, intelligence not so much the tactician.

Just yet another spot of not knowing when to not waste or knowing when to use a TO, a long time struggle of his which he revisits in his 4th quarter time managing failure in crunch time vs the clowns

Many contributed to that failure
 
I see other teams (not all) OL rookie / new players come in and produce. Here, it’s like a hidden secret code to figure out how to block. Simplify the ****-ing scheme if you have to. Start as bulldozers and work your way up.

don't we have two starting rookie OL? one is the center.
 
We are in silly season. They lost a game after winning 5 in a row. In a snowstorm. On a short week. Away on the short week. Thursday nights on the road are tough, regardless of the opponent. After playing the Ravens. Against a team that most admitted here was going to play like it was their Super Bowl.

And people are worried about the OL coach. Would we be griping about the OL coach if Daniels was in there at RG, Fautanu was in there at RT, and maybe by this time Jones was starting at his natural position? I like Dan Moore, but Jones potential is way higher, no doubt. I have a feeling we wouldn't be and Meyer would be looking like a much better coach.

And yet, with this line and coach, they are 8-3. And still control their own destiny. Amazing.

Losing on Thursday sucked. The coaching was poor. But for the love. I really think sometimes some here would rather they lose so they can ***** and moan about everything they don't like. It's Monday now, and we have worked our way down to the OL coach. Maybe by Wednesday we'll be bitching about some obscure offensive consultant. They gotta get better consultants!
The Browns played Sunday also, and going from the Burgh to Cleveland is about like me got from my house to Lowes. ****** conditions? do we not play in a open stadium in PITTSBURGH? This can be spun anyway you want to but it all comes down to coaching. This team has lost to THREE 2 and 10 teams in the last season and a half. The only coach on this team that is worth a **** is Danny Smith. the rest should go to jail for stealing money.
 
The Browns played Sunday also, and going from the Burgh to Cleveland is about like me got from my house to Lowes. ****** conditions? do we not play in a open stadium in PITTSBURGH? This can be spun anyway you want to but it all comes down to coaching. This team has lost to THREE 2 and 10 teams in the last season and a half. The only coach on this team that is worth a **** is Danny Smith. the rest should go to jail for stealing money.
They are 8-3 aren't they? I get the frustration, and the coaches were bad on Thursday. But they still lead the division and control their own destiny.
 
Here is what's frustrating, their 3 losses were handed to them by the:
3-8 Browns
5-7 Colts
4-7 Cowboys

Good teams don't lose to bad teams.
 
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