Did you honestly ever believe there was a real QB competition?

[SteelerSask2]

I think that was the point saying the Steelers aren't paying Wilson or Fields $40 million next season.

Wilson is 6 years older than Mayfield and is no way going to get a ridiculous contract at 36 years old next year. He also earned the $33 million contract following the best year of his career where he ranked 12th in passer rating.

If Russ is a mid-tier QB this year and leads the Steelers to 10 wins and a playoff win or a respectable showing in the playoffs, you offer him a deal in the Geno Smith range of $25 million per year.

In the even that Fields plays part of a season and shows some potential, it's a small sample size. I probably would throw a deal out there somewhere between Gardner Minshew and Geno Smith. To even sniff $40 million, he'd need near 3,500 passing yards, 25+ passing TDs, probably another 700+yards and 5+ TDs on the ground along with a 3:1 TD:INT ratio, 10+ wins and a playoff win. No way should Khan reach the level of stupidity that the Giants did with Daniel Jones.

By the way, I hope the Steelers have this issue at the end of the year because that means we had a great season.

Think you are dreaming south if 30 under those conditions. And if it happened to be Fields in that situation high 30 plus. Wr gets 30

 

[madinsomniac]

Absolutely, but it would have to be a substantial sample size to go up to $25 million per year.

I donk know... nfl teams are batshit crazy over starting qbs.. a metric ton are on bargin first contracts deals, yet still 16 of the 32 starters make an average of 40 million per year... and two more, Rodgers and Carr, are making 37.5 AAV... hey, the ever so flawed Baker Maysfield makes 33 per year... Daniel jones is at 40...

 

[NoKap#7]

I didn't just like there wasn't really one in 2022; all made up fantasy.

Only if you were gullible and believe everything you read on the internet.

 

[formerscribe]

While I agree with your statement, It doesn’t tell the complete story. While he did compete against 2nd & 3rd stringers, he also played WITH players who don’t have jobs right now. I really would have liked to see him get time with the players who have jobs. I get it, he was a 4th QB, and Tomlin just used him as a warm body. We really don’t have any idea what he can and can’t do with and against starters.

We have some idea. People who get paid to evaluate college players thought so little of him that even in a quarterback-starved league, no team drafted him.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I donk know... nfl teams are batshit crazy over starting qbs.. a metric ton are on bargin first contracts deals, yet still 16 of the 32 starters make an average of 40 million per year... and two more, Rodgers and Carr, are making 37.5 AAV... hey, the ever so flawed Baker Maysfield makes 33 per year... Daniel jones is at 40...

This

 

[SteelerFan448]

I donk know... nfl teams are batshit crazy over starting qbs.. a metric ton are on bargin first contracts deals, yet still 16 of the 32 starters make an average of 40 million per year... and two more, Rodgers and Carr, are making 37.5 AAV... hey, the ever so flawed Baker Maysfield makes 33 per year... Daniel jones is at 40...

Are you really offering a 36-year old Russell Wilson $37-$40 million per year? I'm not unless he gets this team to at least the AFC Championship game and makes it real close.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Are you really offering a 36-year old Russell Wilson $37-$40 million per year? I'm not unless he gets this team to at least the AFC Championship game and makes it real close.

The NFL is not about reality. It really is not. Kirk Cousins is 36 years old coming off a torn achillies. And talk to a real Vikings fan about Kirk Cousins. He us averaging 45 million Its about the appearance.

 

[madinsomniac]

Are you really offering a 36-year old Russell Wilson $37-$40 million per year? I'm not unless he gets this team to at least the AFC Championship game and makes it real close.

I personally wouldnt, and I like Wilson more than most, but NFL teams arent logical,
restrained organizations...

Wilson will be 36 and is small for a qb... the likelihood he finishes another multiyear contract without a dropoff isnt great... but if he had serious success this year, i doubt his market value is below 40-45 million... maybe higher if teams keep inflating things.

Likewise if fields shows any progress and someone gives him a starting spot next year... its probably for over 30 or 35 million... its just stupid in that market right now...

 

[Steelmann]

Perhaps, perhaps. But is it any wonder that a team infamous for being cheap signs a starting QB for a low, low sum of $1.2 mill a season? Had Mike Brown not already been set with Burrows he'd have no doubt been in on that action. You just know Art II lit got fired up at the prospect of getting a known QB so cheap. I heard he lit up like a Christmas tree.

Infamous for being cheap? Then why have we been many,many times right up against the cap? In fact we have been in cap hell many times over the years. Have signed many players to top 5 money in their position. And a few as #1 for their position at the time of their contract. How is that being “ infamously cheap”. They are in the process (still) of replacing Ben. It’s actually quite rare that it happens with the first player. As much as our D is #1 in$$$ in the league…..give it a couple years. All these Young OLine due a contract and hopefully a franchise QB andWR will change that quickly.

 

[slashsteel]

Infamous for being cheap? Then why have we been many,many times right up against the cap? In fact we have been in cap hell many times over the years. Have signed many players to top 5 money in their position. And a few as #1 for their position at the time of their contract. How is that being “ infamously cheap”. They are in the process (still) of replacing Ben. It’s actually quite rare that it happens with the first player. As much as our D is #1 in$$$ in the league…..give it a couple years. All these Young OLine due a contract and hopefully a franchise QB andWR will change that quickly.

Cooch has always thought the Steelers were cheap. It has countless of times been explained to him that that isn’t the case and why that isn’t the case. But here he is with the same old misinformed take. Which will resurface again soon or a later. That is when you know someone is football ignorant. The inability to learn. The inability to adjust misguided thinking. The narcissists of the world can not be wrong.

 

[SteelerFan448]

I personally wouldnt, and I like Wilson more than most, but NFL teams arent logical,
restrained organizations...

Wilson will be 36 and is small for a qb... the likelihood he finishes another multiyear contract without a dropoff isnt great... but if he had serious success this year, i doubt his market value is below 40-45 million... maybe higher if teams keep inflating things.

Likewise if fields shows any progress and someone gives him a starting spot next year... its probably for over 30 or 35 million... its just stupid in that market right now...

I'll just say I don't think either QB will perform to the level to justify those types of contract offers.

 

[slashsteel]

I'll just say I don't think either QB will perform to the level to justify those types of contract offers.

I would be surprised as I think Wilson doesn’t have the wheels he presented with. I am leaning toward Fields maintaining his turnover concerns.

It is possible one could lead the team into the playoffs. But to regain a sizable contract… not sure I am buying that concept.

 

[Lloyd]

Only if you were gullible and believe everything you read on the internet.

Or if you believe what comes out of Tomlin's mouth, you missed that one.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Cooch has always thought the Steelers were cheap. It has countless of times been explained to him that that isn’t the case and why that isn’t the case. But here he is with the same old misinformed take. Which will resurface again soon or a later. That is when you know someone is football ignorant. The inability to learn. The inability to adjust misguided thinking. The narcissists of the world can not be wrong.

Relatively speaking compared to other owners the Rooney family likely is “cheap”

Think they are still bottom 2-3 for net worth for owners in the NFL, if so then by NFL owner standards they are poor…which sometimes resembles cheap

30th out of 31 teams (not counting the Packers) or 30 out of 32 if you do still ain’t very high in the list

 

[slashsteel]

Relatively speaking compared to other owners the Rooney family likely is “cheap”

Think they are still bottom 2-3 for net worth for owners in the NFL, if so then by NFL owner standards they are poor…which sometimes resembles cheap

30th out of 31 teams (not counting the Packers) or 30 out of 32 if you do still ain’t very high in the list

If you are against the cap most years I think that eliminates you from being cheap. If I didn’t see high priced vets brought in I might change my stance. They are spending.

 

[BLITZ]

I do not think they are cheap with players. the salary cap is almost always used up.

I would question how much they spend on assistant coaches.

 

[SteelerFan448]

I do not think they are cheap with players. the salary cap is almost always used up.

I would question how much they spend on assistant coaches.

I don't think the perceived spending on assistant coaches is intentional. This staff once had Tomlin, Haley, LeBeau, and Munchak. That's a lot of former head coaches on a staff. Austin is a long-term DC and probably isn't cheap and Smith is a veteran OC/former head coach and I can't imagine he's cheap as well. Maybe there's some merit to a larger coaching staff, but sometimes too many voices in a room isn't beneficial.

A place where they could be actually cheap is some of the items we see from the player survey. Is the conditioning staff, equipment, recovery facilities, nutrition, etc. all top-of-the-line? I don't know, I'm not in the building, just basing it off the surveys. I expect the Steelers will be getting an upgrade in these areas in the relatively near future and it will likely come at the expense of sharing a space with Pitt.

 

[Lloyd]

Relatively speaking compared to other owners the Rooney family likely is “cheap”

Think they are still bottom 2-3 for net worth for owners in the NFL, if so then by NFL owner standards they are poor…which sometimes resembles cheap

30th out of 31 teams (not counting the Packers) or 30 out of 32 if you do still ain’t very high in the list

Let me guess: Some of the indigenous are spewing their typical rhetoric about being close to the cap proving Rooneys unfrivolous nature? OK, sure. Now go and check how much they spend on coaching, scouts and other unpublished nature items. Did I hear they don't send scouts out west due to costs? Let's see, check on how Pgh was rated among players for their facility, dining offerings and social offerings. Go ahead. Yea, they splurge on a few primetime positions like head coach and key defenders but scimp on the rest. Oh and the Rooneys definitely don't "pass on their savings." It costs a family $667.00 on average to attend a game which is higher than average, especially for a non-playoff winning team. (link not allowed)

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Mental illness

 

[Lloyd]

I donk know... nfl teams are batshit crazy over starting qbs.. a metric ton are on bargin first contracts deals, yet still 16 of the 32 starters make an average of 40 million per year... and two more, Rodgers and Carr, are making 37.5 AAV... hey, the ever so flawed Baker Maysfield makes 33 per year... Daniel jones is at 40...

It's gonna be funny to see what happens after the US Dollar becomes worthless.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

If you are against the cap most years I think that eliminates you from being cheap. If I didn’t see high priced vets brought in I might change my stance. They are spending.

Money spent on the players in the form of salaries is pretty much covered by shared revenue, the “cheap” comes in with the extras, facilities, parking, stadium, locker rooms, weight rooms, coaching salaries, training staff, etc

I’m not saying they are or aren’t cheap, but rather are poor by NFL standards…which frequently resembles cheap.

They can’t keep up with money teams like the Broncos, Panthers, etc can fork out for the extras

They are what they are in the bottom 5% or LLC by NFL standards so they put the little money they do have towards a roster….rather than the extras and show up in a dime store suit

 

[slashsteel]

Money spent on the players in the form of salaries is pretty much covered by shared revenue, the “cheap” comes in with the extras, facilities, parking, stadium, locker rooms, weight rooms, coaching salaries, training staff, etc

I’m not saying they are or aren’t cheap, but rather are poor by NFL standards…which frequently resembles cheap.

They can’t keep up with money teams like the Broncos, Panthers, etc can fork out for the extras

They are what they are in the bottom 5% or LLC by NFL standards so they put the little money they do have towards a roster….rather than the extras and show up in a dime store suit

Yeah but not every team spends what they are allotted. I do get what you are saying…

 

[Lloyd]

Money spent on the players in the form of salaries is pretty much covered by shared revenue, the “cheap” comes in with the extras, facilities, parking, stadium, locker rooms, weight rooms, coaching salaries, training staff, etc

I’m not saying they are or aren’t cheap, but rather are poor by NFL standards…which frequently resembles cheap.

They can’t keep up with money teams like the Broncos, Panthers, etc can fork out for the extras

They are what they are in the bottom 5% or LLC by NFL standards so they put the little money they do have towards a roster….rather than the extras and show up in a dime store suit

People and fans are blinded what reality is when it comes to Rooneys and NFL owners; they just have not a clue. Check out the players survey on facilities, dining halls, social services, etc. on the Steelers. It's pretty telling. The players speak out. For instance, players serious about working out do so in another facility besides what the Steelers provide. It's not rocket science. Back in the day, the annual budget for the weight room was $100. That was not a typo.

 

[CoolieMan]

It's gonna be funny to see what happens after the US Dollar becomes worthless.

stop bringing politics into this forum

no further warnings

 

[Punxsutawney]

I'll just say I don't think either QB will perform to the level to justify those types of contract offers.

Fields definitely won't, but Wilson might be good enough for the Steelers to be top 10-15 in the league in scoring, if the running game performs as expected and Pickens and Freiermuth stay healthy.

Given Wilson's age, it's not like he would be signing for 5+ years on his next contract.

To me, if he performs reasonably well, he would definitely be worth bringing back for another year or two.

The Steelers would have to pay up, but 30+ million per year is where the market is for merely average QBs in today's NFL.

It will all depend on how Wilson performs, but it would be easy to scoff at paying him only before considering the alternatives. Fields ain't it.