Emmanuel Sanders on Roethlisberger

[Supersteeler]

looks like Peyton may be putting in more exclusive one-on-one time with Manny since maybe Manny is the worst of their WRs and needs the work?

Or maybe he's new to the team and system lol.

 

[oneforthebus]

I always felt like he had potential. He seems like a pretty good guy in real life too, at least as far as you can tell from social media. I have no issue with the guy, I just think it's classless to trash your former co-workers when they helped get you where you are. Certainly Ben is partially responsible for whatever success Sanders had, whether he's a great leader or a complete dick. Show a little gratitude.

 

[AggieSteel]

I never liked Sanders as a player (As a person he always seemed legit) because he was inconsistent. He showed these flashes of speed and ability but then when it came time to make a big play, I just *knew* he was going to drop it, or not adjust to the ball, or not fight for the ball... and I was right. We tried to make him a deep threat because of his speed, but I can't remember a single deep pass he ever caught. He never got the separation, always got the play broken up by a defender or he didn't fight for it. The drop against Baltimore was my last straw for him as a player. Sure he had 67 catches and 6 TDs, but he was never an impact player and the reality is that he seemed to have the physical ability to be, and we needed him to be. That's why I am sour towards him. But again, as a person he always seemed cool, I'm just talking about as a player. I'm glad he's a Bronco now so he can go frustrate another fan base with never being able to make that big play.

 

[Superman]

Or maybe he's new to the team and system lol.

which would make him instantly their worst WR and needs the work lol.

 

[FordFairLane]

If Moore, Wheaton, Justin Brown, Moye, DHB, Bryant or someone can't step up and replace Sanders 67 catches for 740 yards I will be sick. I honestly think Sanders though on the roster was the #2 I think we had more of a split #2 depending on the play call. I don't think he was the #2 option most of the time. I feel Heath was on third downs and Cotch was in the red zone. I feel the Steelers will impliment a second option by committee this year again having a speed guy for deep plays, Moore for third down, and maybe Heath or Bryant for red zone. I don't think anyone but Brown gets 1,000 yards and probably no one else gets more than 750 yards.

 

[F83]

Sanders could of easily had 75+ rec if he could single coverage on the outside frequently, he hada hard time getting open when Brown was doubled which led to Ben looking more to Cotch who made every rep count with his career year.
Sanders is a avg WR who will only succeed in Denver if he develops new moves or they will double the 2 Thomas harder and not give Wes that much room.Both Thomas will face more press coverage and teams I think will play Peyton more zone and limit the dink and dunk with the front 7 a lil back and ready to pounce on Welker @Sanders after those screen's and quick slants.

 

[Vader]

Steelers should have taken that 3rd rounder for Sanders. He was never anything special.

 

[insaniti]

He did have a couple drops I know. One of which was a tough ******* catch lol. I don't know if it was the two pointer in question or not but I remember being on here after the play and people are going ape **** about it being an easy catch and I thought, "Are these people nuts, that catch would have been awesome!" Maybe I'm thinking of a different one. All I know is he didn't have 1/4 of the drops that Wallace had.

he made the 2 pt catch MUCH harder than it needed to be. it was a simple back shoulder throw, he never planted his foot. Couldn't control his momentum and was falling away as the ball went thru his hands. Had he just planted his right foot, the turn becomes very easy, the ball hits him in the bicep area. Simple back shoulder throw. Something Ben and Brown do on a regular basis. That play sums up Sanders ability. He has no body control.

As for the drops compared to Wallace, I think you'd be surprised at how few drops Wallace actually had... the difference was that Wallace could actually get open. Wallace chased the money, good for him. We weren't going to pay that kind of money for a one trick pony. Sanders wasn't valued here for good reason. He was given the opportunity to step up and become a key part of the offense, instead he was just another player.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Jerome Bettis defended Ben Roethlisberger on Tuesday, saying on ESPN's "First Take" that his former Pittsburgh Steelers teammate is a good leader and simply a different one than Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning.

"I don't believe that Ben falls short in the leadership department," said Bettis, who won a Super Bowl with Roethlisberger and the Steelers in 2005. "You don't win a championship with a lack of leadership."

Former Steelers wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders created a stir Monday when he told KKFM in Denver that Manning is a "far better leader" than Roethlisberger. Sanders played his first four NFL seasons with Roethlisberger and the Steelers before signing with the Broncos in March.

"This is the first time that I had a quarterback that stays every single day after practice, no matter what his accolades," Sanders told KKFM about Manning. "He's not one of those guys you gotta go chase down, he's gonna be right at the same spot ready to work, every single day."

Bettis said Sanders' comments were misguided and "a little disrespectful" to Roethlisberger.

"I think [Sanders] misunderstood what leadership is and he misspoke and I think it was a little bit of a jab," said Bettis, who is an NFL analyst for ESPN. "I think if he had a chance he'd take it back. It's not that Ben doesn't lead. He just leads differently than Peyton does."

Sanders took to Twitter on Monday following the ripple effects of his comparison between Manning and Roethlisberger and stood by what he said.



Asked about Roethlisberger's leadership, Bettis said the Steelers quarterback talked him into returning for one more season after Pittsburgh lost to the New England Patriots in the 2004 AFC Championship Game.

Bettis won the Super Bowl ring that had eluded him in 2005 before retiring.

"Ben Roethlisberger told me, 'Hey, don't retire, I'm going to get you a championship. Trust me on this,' " Bettis said. "After every playoff game [in 2005] he gave me the game ball. After we won the Super Bowl he gave me the game ball. That's leadership."



http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...ens-leadership

 

[FordFairLane]

"Ben Roethlisberger told me, 'Hey, don't retire, I'm going to get you a championship. Trust me on this,' " Bettis said. "After every playoff game [in 2005] he gave me the game ball. After we won the Super Bowl he gave me the game ball. That's leadership."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...ens-leadership

That's not only leadership but RESPECT which is something Sanders has none of. Like I said if someone can't replace Sanders 740 yards and 67 nabs I will be sick.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Steelers should have taken that 3rd rounder for Sanders. He was never anything special.

Exactly, Sanders is Just A Guy, and Just A Guy who was hurt a lot.
Yinz didn't see Elbie Nickel goin' dahn hurt an' at alla time. Rub some dirt in it an' take a lap an' at.

 

[Hobbster]

"I feel like Peyton is a far better leader." Yeah sorry, that sounds exactly like a shot at Ben's leadership skills. Which sucks because Sanders was given every opportunity to succeed. To try and pin his lack of production on Ben in any way shape or form is delusional. Ben can't teach you how to catch, maybe Peyton can. And I liked the guy.

Here is the thing though, I never heard Ben call his kicker an "idiot kicker" even when he was off being an idiot. I never heard Ben throw his entire o-line under the bus like Peyton did after 05 playoff loss to us, even when Ben's O-line was getting him killed. That is leadership or lack of it. Leadership is one area where Ben is head and shoulders over Peyton and it isn't even close. I like Peyton overall, I think he is very personable in his commercials, often they crack me up. He is a hall of fame QB and one of the best to play the position, but he has always been lacking in key leadership skills involving other team mates.

 

[skialta]

The ball will fly out of Sanders hands when Shark only looks at him.

what you people see in thomas is beyond me

 

[south dakota STEEL]

So Ben sucks....whatever. We all knew that....

 

[antdrewjosh]

what you people see in thomas is beyond me

Havent seen enough to make a decision on him good or bad.

 

[Franco]

Here is the thing though, I never heard Ben call his kicker an "idiot kicker" even when he was off being an idiot. I never heard Ben throw his entire o-line under the bus like Peyton did after 05 playoff loss to us, even when Ben's O-line was getting him killed. That is leadership or lack of it. Leadership is one area where Ben is head and shoulders over Peyton and it isn't even close. I like Peyton overall, I think he is very personable in his commercials, often they crack me up. He is a hall of fame QB and one of the best to play the position, but he has always been lacking in key leadership skills involving other team mates.

Nail hit hammer

 

[skialta]

Havent seen enough to make a decision on him good or bad.

agreed entirely. thta's why when someone is like when shemarko does this or shemarko does that, i'm like wait, when he does what again? when he forces his first professional turnover?

 

[Steelers1356]

what you people see in thomas is beyond me

Thomas is not the issue. The issue is Sanders fumbling for no reason when no one is near him. One scary look from the waterboy could cause the ball to fly out of Sanders hands.

 

[Supersteeler]

agreed entirely. thta's why when someone is like when shemarko does this or shemarko does that, i'm like wait, when he does what again? when he forces his first professional turnover?

Lol, reminds me of last season. I was about to drive to Canton Ohio to see Derek Moye's bust in the hall of Legends after a 2 catch, 20 yard season. The Nation was lobbying for his enshrinement.

 

[Hineswardkickedurpanzyass]

Here is the thing though, I never heard Ben call his kicker an "idiot kicker" even when he was off being an idiot. I never heard Ben throw his entire o-line under the bus like Peyton did after 05 playoff loss to us, even when Ben's O-line was getting him killed. That is leadership or lack of it. Leadership is one area where Ben is head and shoulders over Peyton and it isn't even close. I like Peyton overall, I think he is very personable in his commercials, often they crack me up. He is a hall of fame QB and one of the best to play the position, but he has always been lacking in key leadership skills involving other team mates.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Here is the thing though, I never heard Ben call his kicker an "idiot kicker" even when he was off being an idiot. I never heard Ben throw his entire o-line under the bus like Peyton did after 05 playoff loss to us, even when Ben's O-line was getting him killed. That is leadership or lack of it. Leadership is one area where Ben is head and shoulders over Peyton and it isn't even close. I like Peyton overall, I think he is very personable in his commercials, often they crack me up. He is a hall of fame QB and one of the best to play the position, but he has always been lacking in key leadership skills involving other team mates.

Excellent post, I thank you for the read.


Salute the nation

 

[oneforthebus]

Here is the thing though, I never heard Ben call his kicker an "idiot kicker" even when he was off being an idiot. I never heard Ben throw his entire o-line under the bus like Peyton did after 05 playoff loss to us, even when Ben's O-line was getting him killed. That is leadership or lack of it. Leadership is one area where Ben is head and shoulders over Peyton and it isn't even close. I like Peyton overall, I think he is very personable in his commercials, often they crack me up. He is a hall of fame QB and one of the best to play the position, but he has always been lacking in key leadership skills involving other team mates.

Yes yes yes. WTF is with the "he stays 15 minutes after practice to help me." So ******* what? Ben is a warrior. He's not a kindergarten teacher. That is leadership.

 

[BLITZ]

Peyton is a leader obviously. I don't see a reason to say this to a reporter.

 

[Idioteque]

Supersteeler...

It was two fumbles against the Browns (lost one), then the "air fumble" vs Ravens in the middle of the field.

Don't forget all the minor injuries as well, played two series in the SB then went down. Missed a bunch of time with the foot injury. Instead of focusing on establishing himself as a bonafide player, he seemed to be angling leaving to the Pats a few years back now he's elated to be with the Broncos. Just never seemed to me to be a Steelers' guy. Part of that 'young money' crew that was all about pimpin' and posin' but didn't win much of anything.

Add to all that Sanders' crony agent, and I smell a skunk.

Couldn't have said it better. **** him. I remember his diving fourth-quarter catch at the 2 against the Ravens a few years ago, where he went down untouched (not a Raven around him) and just laid there, unaware of the ******* league rules he now followed for a living. We were awful on the goal line that year, and points were golden against the Shitbirds. Manny was full of brainfarts like that.

Besides, he's a poor receiver. By the numbers, he was one of the league's least efficient receivers last year. Right at the bottom of all starting WRs in yards per target. Mediocre as a small, weak guy in the slot. Wastes his speed on deep routes with no physicality or positioning. The dude's nothing. He was our Jerome Simpson.

Have fun with your Madden QB in the playoffs, Manny. He's dynamite there. By then, Cody Latimer will probably have made you as irrelevant as we considered you to be.

 

[skialta]

Lol, reminds me of last season. I was about to drive to Canton Ohio to see Derek Moye's bust in the hall of Legends after a 2 catch, 20 yard season. The Nation was lobbying FORD his enshrinement.

Being a PSU grad combined with a Steeler gives you a leg up on SN enshrinement