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Evaluating Trubisky - too early edition

Fiji. You should be a consultant for the FO.
 
It looks to me like everything Mitch does is reactionary. I don't recall seeing any back shoulder throws, or throws where the ball comes out before the receiver makes his break. Those throws are the throws that seperate potential good/great qb's and the rest. These defenders are just too fast to wait until you "see" the receiver open. It's either designed, or you throw him open. I don't see it with Mitch/Canada.
 
I still don’t understand why people take anything PFF says as valuable, especially about Olinemen… a myriad of coaches and linemen have come out through the years and said their grades are worthless because they grade on who they assume the scheme is asking them to block or what they think is going on … not saying you can’t grade Olinemen, but its really hard if you don’t know their exact assignments and scheme expectations
 
madinsomniac said:
I still don’t understand why people take anything PFF says as valuable, especially about Olinemen… a myriad of coaches and linemen have come out through the years and said their grades are worthless because they grade on who they assume the scheme is asking them to block or what they think is going on … not saying you can’t grade Olinemen, but its really hard if you don’t know their exact assignments and scheme expectations
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I don’t take it too seriously but rather use it as a comparison point since you have a system of data with a set of criteria to grade players. I think their overall assessment of the pass blocking being a tough read due to the short passing game and an overall lower run blocking grade passes the eye test.
 
Steeler said:
It looks to me like everything Mitch does is reactionary. I don't recall seeing any back shoulder throws, or throws where the ball comes out before the receiver makes his break. Those throws are the throws that seperate potential good/great qb's and the rest. These defenders are just too fast to wait until you "see" the receiver open. It's either designed, or you throw him open. I don't see it with Mitch/Canada.
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Alot of that is timing as well. New QB working with young WRs they just dont have that chemistry. The one play last week I think it was Pickens along the sideline was open. Mitch thought one thing and Pickens thought something else. Dont know who was right, but its those things that need to be ironed out.
 
jitter77 said:
Alot of that is timing as well. New QB working with young WRs they just dont have that chemistry. The one play last week I think it was Pickens along the sideline was open. Mitch thought one thing and Pickens thought something else. Dont know who was right, but its those things that need to be ironed out.
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Sure some is timing. But some of his issues seem to have followed him from the Bears. If he can't stand in that pocket and deliver that is concerning.
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
you see Trubisky's footwork, happy feet. etc.. not going thru progressiions... What is our QB coach doing?
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He’s definitely more comfortable out of the pocket, you’d think the OC would play to his strength

Rolls out unnecessarily (obviously again more comfortable out of the pocket) when there is a good pocket and frequently has been throwing off his back foot/not stepping into throws even when there is a clean pocket leading to throws coming up way short-something his QB coach should fix

If you see it, I see it and all of Steeler Nation is seeing it how come our coaches stand by doing nothing about it?

Quite frustrating to watch over and over
 
Even if Mitch is just as good as KP, we gain nothing by Mitch playing.

Eventually, we won't stink and I'd rather have KP already have had some experience when that time comes.
 
GI Steeler said:
Even if Mitch is just as good as KP, we gain nothing by Mitch playing.

Eventually, we won't stink and I'd rather have KP already have had some experience when that time comes.
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Iron sharpens iron right?

might as well put KP in the toughest situation possible (our current offensive scheme) that way next year when Canada is unceremoniously not resigned everything presented to him in the new scheme (no matter how bad/stupid it could seem) will be easy peezy

I simply can't imagine KP's footwork, field vision or anticipation of route breaks could be worse than Mitch, so why not? Unless being exposed to Canada actually makes one regress, which we may be witnessing with Mitch right before our eyes.

At least with KP we'd have something to look forward to
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Iron sharpens iron right?

might as well put KP in the toughest situation possible (our current offensive scheme) that way next year when Canada is unceremoniously not resigned everything presented to him in the new scheme (no matter how bad/stupid it could seem) will be easy peezy

I simply can't imagine KP's footwork, field vision or anticipation of route breaks could be worse than Mitch, so why not? Unless being exposed to Canada actually makes one regress, which we may be witnessing with Mitch right before our eyes.

At least with KP we'd have something to look forward to
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I'd be hard pressed to put any qb into this offense. It's a set up for certain failure in its current form. I'd put him in when the season is lost. Which won't be long. That way you really don't become the fall guy for a bad idea.

I'd let it roll until mid season that way it's proven beyond any shadow of a doubt. This isn't a superbowl team or even a playoff team. Just not even talent on the OL/DL. On top of not being able to stop the run, the defense is on the field the entire game. Their only opportunity for overall success is a good pass rush. Watt is obviously the straw that stires that drink. Which isn't good.

My only hope is that they fire Canada by midseason and use the rest of the season for Pickett and just going for it on offense. Open it up and see what you got.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
He’s definitely more comfortable out of the pocket, you’d think the OC would play to his strength

Rolls out unnecessarily (obviously again more comfortable out of the pocket) when there is a good pocket and frequently has been throwing off his back foot/not stepping into throws even when there is a clean pocket leading to throws coming up way short-something his QB coach should fix

If you see it, I see it and all of Steeler Nation is seeing it how come our coaches stand by doing nothing about it?

Quite frustrating to watch over and over
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Is Mitch having a hard time seeing downfield from the pocket?

He is listed at 6-2 so that should not be a significant concern but he plays like a 5-10 QB who wants to get outside the pocket so he can see the field.
 
maowv said:
Is Mitch having a hard time seeing downfield from the pocket?

He is listed at 6-2 so that should not be a significant concern but he plays like a 5-10 QB who wants to get outside the pocket so he can see the field.
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That's a question you'd have to ask Mitch.

I will say he looks like a guy watching routes rather than reading coverages, so he has zero ability to throw the receiver open.
Add to that every receiver we have is coming back to the huddle claiming to be open, so he seems to lock on to receivers and not work through a progression...these are also traits of a QB looking for open receivers rather than reading a defensive coverage scheme and putting that info to use by throwing receivers open.

If our OC drew up route combinations to stress particular elements of defensive schemes and expose weaknesses shown from past tendencies that would be helpful as well. That is a lot to ask though considering Canada seems to be a complete moron. Our current gameplan from week to week seems to be "I remember this play working one time in a college game against that div 2 team, why don't we give it a go" nothing but a whole bunch of these disjointed plays with no overall concept of attacking a weakness.
 
Steelr4evr said:
My only hope is that they fire Canada by midseason and use the rest of the season for Pickett and just going for it on offense. Open it up and see what you got.
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Totally agree. We're not winning the Superbowl this season.
 
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