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Evaluating Trubisky - too early edition

Superman said:
Harris has nothing to do with Creed. We passed on Creed for both Harris AND Freiermuth. And as has been said repeatedly, after Harris was taken, Etienne was taken. no way either falls to us in Round 2. Which would mean we'd be rolling out Snail and Macfoolin at RB.

We could have easily - EASILY - had Harris and Creed.

the cluster **** that is Kendrick Green robbed us of taking Spencer Brown, Ben Cleveland, Quinn Meinerz, OR Robert Hainsey. Though we landed Dan Moore in Round 4 of that draft, so we have that working for us.
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we coulda easily had anyone not named Harris…AND Creed. So when a player is taken and another not, there is something to do with it… Creed was available when we took Harris right? I would argue Center was a far greater need. Heck I remember several here clamoring for Meinerz (some as early as the first)

Coulda easily had Creed and Muth

Coulda had a lot of things that aren’t a first round back…so really easy to make a connection
 
Fiji Mariner said:
It’s not second guessing if you suggested it in real time…just sayin. Many, including myself said it was stupid to take a back in the first as it happened…that is not second guessing.

And it was said tongue in cheek…relax
The trade back speculation I guess could be perceived that way…that’s just me being greedy
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I agree about not taking a RB early when you don’t have an OL. Then to make matters worse, the next year you draft a player who you have no intentions of playing. That is TWO years in a row that you wasted your fist pick.
 
BamaSteeler52 said:
It's football it's not complex. Again he seems to have the IQ to do it. Let's not live in our fears just play the guy.
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Football's NOT complex?!?!?!
This conversation is O-V-A.
That comment is more ridiculous than a Mike Tomlin gameplan or a Matt Canada playbook.
GTFOH!
 
fedderone said:
Football's NOT complex?!?!?!
This conversation is O-V-A.
That comment is more ridiculous than a Mike Tomlin gameplan or a Matt Canada playbook.
GTFOH!
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OMG it's not complex...
Yeah it's O-V-A if you think it is.
What's ridiculous is the stance that a first round QB that has good feel for the playbook and natural abilities needs to be hidden away and coddled because you're afraid of failure. GTFOH
 
fedderone said:
Football's NOT complex?!?!?!
This conversation is O-V-A.
That comment is more ridiculous than a Mike Tomlin gameplan or a Matt Canada playbook.
GTFOH!
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When you see something head scratching look immediately to see if it is cooch or his Doppel wanger.
 
Doesn't really support the "Mitch stinks because the line is terrible"

From Daniel Valente @TheScore

"The Steelers OL has allowed a pressure on just 12.8% of dropbacks, good for 3rd lowest in the league, per PFR.

After a very concerning preseason, the Steelers’ OL at least appears to be coming together smoothly."
 
GI Steeler said:
Doesn't really support the "Mitch stinks because the line is terrible"

From Daniel Valente @TheScore

"The Steelers OL has allowed a pressure on just 12.8% of dropbacks, good for 3rd lowest in the league, per PFR.

After a very concerning preseason, the Steelers’ OL at least appears to be coming together smoothly."
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What is the run blocking rated?
 
slashsteel said:
What is the run blocking rated?
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PFF has the Steelers ranked 28th overall and acknowledges the pass protection is difficult to evaluate because the offense is designed so they don't have to block long.

Cole
65.0 19/36 pass block
60.6 18/32 run block
62.9 20/36 overall
-Playing below last year's level, but above his career average. It seems like he'll hover around this level of play all season.

Dotson
72.2 22/67 pass block
63.7 27/69 run block
68.5 18/70 overall
-So far the best grades of his career (it's early). After a down year last season, Dotson should be on the rise if he's going to develop as a player. Positive signs so far.

Daniels
84.4 3/67 pass block
58 41/69 run block
68.5 18/70 overall
-Playing right around his career average. Probably what we see is what we get. Pass protection much improved over preseason. Hopefully he can take a step in the right direction with run blocking.

Moore
78.7 13/65 pass block
44.6 61/66 run block
60.1 45/66 overall
-Improvement over last year so far. Run blocking is dreadful and we'll see what happens to pass blocking if the Steelers move away from the JV-level offense.

Okorafor
71.3 25/65 pass block
85.6 5/66 run block
81.2 4/66 overall
-Currently playing WAY above his career best. Maybe the lightbulb clicked. If not, the decline will be steep.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
PFF has the Steelers ranked 28th overall and acknowledges the pass protection is difficult to evaluate because the offense is designed so they don't have to block long.

Cole
65.0 19/36 pass block
60.6 18/32 run block
62.9 20/36 overall
-Playing below last year's level, but above his career average. It seems like he'll hover around this level of play all season.

Dotson
72.2 22/67 pass block
63.7 27/69 run block
68.5 18/70 overall
-So far the best grades of his career (it's early). After a down year last season, Dotson should be on the rise if he's going to develop as a player. Positive signs so far.

Daniels
84.4 3/67 pass block
58 41/69 run block
68.5 18/70 overall
-Playing right around his career average. Probably what we see is what we get. Pass protection much improved over preseason. Hopefully he can take a step in the right direction with run blocking.

Moore
78.7 13/65 pass block
44.6 61/66 run block
60.1 45/66 overall
-Improvement over last year so far. Run blocking is dreadful and we'll see what happens to pass blocking if the Steelers move away from the JV-level offense.

Okorafor
71.3 25/65 pass block
85.6 5/66 run block
81.2 4/66 overall
-Currently playing WAY above his career best. Maybe the lightbulb clicked. If not, the decline will be steep.
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Thank you, top notch reply.👊
 
chuks is our best rated blocker. And i thought he was our worst at one time.. Either he got better or the rest of the positions got worse.
 
If you are throwing the ball .5 seconds after snap you are not going to be pressured. Some of the film of receivers being open is deceiving as well. For example there are a couple where mitch is rolling one way, and a WR is open downfield the opposite way. No QB is going to make that throw or it will be picked. The line does seem to be doing better, but i think if we tried to hold the ball a bit longer or would not look so hot.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
PFF has the Steelers ranked 28th overall and acknowledges the pass protection is difficult to evaluate because the offense is designed so they don't have to block long.

Cole
65.0 19/36 pass block
60.6 18/32 run block
62.9 20/36 overall
-Playing below last year's level, but above his career average. It seems like he'll hover around this level of play all season.

Dotson
72.2 22/67 pass block
63.7 27/69 run block
68.5 18/70 overall
-So far the best grades of his career (it's early). After a down year last season, Dotson should be on the rise if he's going to develop as a player. Positive signs so far.

Daniels
84.4 3/67 pass block
58 41/69 run block
68.5 18/70 overall
-Playing right around his career average. Probably what we see is what we get. Pass protection much improved over preseason. Hopefully he can take a step in the right direction with run blocking.

Moore
78.7 13/65 pass block
44.6 61/66 run block
60.1 45/66 overall
-Improvement over last year so far. Run blocking is dreadful and we'll see what happens to pass blocking if the Steelers move away from the JV-level offense.

Okorafor
71.3 25/65 pass block
85.6 5/66 run block
81.2 4/66 overall
-Currently playing WAY above his career best. Maybe the lightbulb clicked. If not, the decline will be steep.
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Great post

When you take into account the dreadful run blocking and how quickly the ball gets out on less than 10 yard routes it is definitely hard to grade.

Do they pass the eye test?
Not so much, but they are improving as a unit and not nearly as horrid as they were in preseason.

No way are they the 3rd best pass blocking unit, but probably not 3rd worst either (what they looked like in preseason was definitely 30th or worse)

Here’s hoping for continued improvement
 
I did notice a bit of ZBS vs the Pats as well

Our more defined running lanes seemed to occur when doing this
 
Fiji Mariner said:
The verdict is still out of Dan Moore is “working for us”…couldn’t tell if that was sarcasm or not

And plenty of FA RBs available
Certainly don’t need a first rounder…at all
Didn’t need Harris or Etienne

What we’ve needed for awhile is better OL talent, something we’ve been quite averse to investing in
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that was deep in sarcasm about Dan Moore. very, very deep.

I don't disagree that RB was not as much of a need as the OL, but I will say Najee is a special back. I never expected our OL to be as ****** as this has devolved to, and do believe that with an average OL that Najee would be tremendous.

yet we do not have an average OL.
 
TDX27 said:
I don't care who is sitting there next year, our 1st round pick has to be the best OL on the board. Our 2nd or 3rd round pick should also be OL with the other pick being DL. Fix the big uglies on both sides of the ball, period.
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No reaching please, if the OL talent matches the draft spot then great but we dont want a Leatherwood kind of bust.

Well some here might want some leatherwood, not that there's anything wrong with that
 
Fiji Mariner said:
we coulda easily had anyone not named Harris…AND Creed. So when a player is taken and another not, there is something to do with it… Creed was available when we took Harris right? I would argue Center was a far greater need. Heck I remember several here clamoring for Meinerz (some as early as the first)

Coulda easily had Creed and Muth

Coulda had a lot of things that aren’t a first round back…so really easy to make a connection
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could have also had Harris, Creed and Trey Smith... yet here we are on a Mt ****
 
Litos said:
No reaching please, if the OL talent matches the draft spot then great but we dont want a Leatherwood kind of bust.

Well some here might want some leatherwood, not that there's anything wrong with that
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I think where we'll be drafting (probably in the top half of the draft), there will easily be a 1st round talent for the OL.
 
Superman said:
that was deep in sarcasm about Dan Moore. very, very deep.

I don't disagree that RB was not as much of a need as the OL, but I will say Najee is a special back. I never expected our OL to be as ****** as this has devolved to, and do believe that with an average OL that Najee would be tremendous.

yet we do not have an average OL.
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Agree with just about all that

Most SB winners don’t do it as a result of a first round RB. Great OLs make RBs but great RBs can’t make OLs.

First round RBs are a horrible investment from an ROI aspect. RBs have short shelf lives and are pretty much 1 contract and done because they are spent by the time that 6th year rolls around with their best years behind them. So if you renew a 1st round RB you are usually paying for past performance which is bad cap usage. OL can be good for 8-12 years and good ones are usually better in that second contract so in my eyes grab your tackles in the first half of the round if you’re drafting up there or G/Cs in the back half but never a RB. Grab your RBs in rounds 3-5 or just pickup a free agent or 3.

1st round should be for franchise QBs, high pedigree OL, pass rush or lockdown corners…unfortunately we suck at drafting CBs so that further limits our options.

Just my 2 cents
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Agree with just about all that

Most SB winners don’t do it as a result of a first round RB. Great OLs make RBs but great RBs can’t make OLs.

First round RBs are a horrible investment from an ROI aspect. RBs have short shelf lives and are pretty much 1 contract and done because they are spent by the time that 6th year rolls around with their best years behind them. So if you renew a 1st round RB you are usually paying for past performance which is bad cap usage. OL can be good for 8-12 years and good ones are usually better in that second contract so in my eyes grab your tackles in the first half of the round if you’re drafting up there or G/Cs in the back half but never a RB. Grab your RBs in rounds 3-5 or just pickup a free agent or 3.

1st round should be for franchise QBs, high pedigree OL, pass rush or lockdown corners…unfortunately we suck at drafting CBs so that further limits our options.

Just my 2 cents
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Hold a moment while we get Art II on the line for a quick introduction and interview.
 
maowv said:
Hold a moment while we get Art II on the line for a quick introduction and interview.
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Talk about a dream job

Admittedly I have been pretty bad at pass rush in past draft assessments (I thought Watt would be slightly above average-yikes), but dead on with QBs and OL for the most part

We would damn sure have a better OL though if I were a voice in that room
 
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