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Evaluating Trubisky - too early edition

I didn’t get to watch the game, but I listened to the second half of Steelers broadcast. The Steelers’ last offensive possession was around the eight minute mark. I think it was Max Starks said the Steelers had some momentum with the no-huddle and he expected them to pick up the pace…as did every football fan watching the game. But, there I sat, listening to a 1st down hand-off to a less then 100% Najee Harris. Second down swing pass to Najee Harris, and incomplete pass on 3rd down to Najee Harris. Good thing they spent all that draft capital on those skill positions.
 
I think Mitch has been told to not lose the game. He is timid to throw down field. This could work providing TJ is healthy
 
Steel Reign said:
Trubisky did not make mistakes last week and we won. He did this week and we lost. That and terrible O coordinator equals loss. It is both simple and complex at the same time. I watched too much football this weekend between the kids' soccer games. Canada is sooooo much trash it is irresponsible to say anything else. Our D is stout. I would give Pickett the shot. BUT I would only do that firing Canada at the same time.
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We won last week thanks to Minkah Fitzpatrick and an incredible defensive effort and it took a miracle for it to happen. It's time to see what we have in Kenny Pickett.
 
Chicoman said:
We won last week thanks to Minkah Fitzpatrick and an incredible defensive effort and it took a miracle for it to happen. It's time to see what we have in Kenny Pickett.
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Not sarcastically, do you think switching to Pickett is enough if Canada does not change? And if he changes, why?
 
We lost because their WR took away an INT which ended up being a TD instead. We dropped an INT which was then followed by a muffed punt for another TD. Try to look at things objectively.

If you watched this team last year and didnt know who the QB was, and watched the team today there is not much difference. Mitch threw short alot, but so did Ben. Everyone thinks Pickett is the second coming of Jesus, but he will have less freedom than Ben or Mitch. We can not place most of the blame on the QB when we see the same stuff over and over from Canada. We refuse to mix it up and go up tempo. When we went up tempo Mitch was playing loose. When following the Canada script the whole team looks tight. Mitch did not play a perfect game, but the play calls are not letting the team succeed. We seem to have no crossing routes, no jump balls for our WRs, we seem to have an occasional slant, out route, and swing passes. Just poor offensive design. All we heard is a mobile QB this and that, but where are the designed QB runs or roll outs? 85% of the blame falls on canada, 10% falls on the oline for not being able to run block, then then least falls on the QB until the other things improve.
 
Haters.
Do you know that Trubisky has never had a losing season with the Steelers?
 
Steel Reign said:
Not sarcastically, do you think switching to Pickett is enough if Canada does not change? And if he changes, why?
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I am not a Canada fan by any means. I do know Mitch Trubisky is not the answer at QB. He looks just like he did in Chicago, actually worse IMO but that could be The Canada Effect. I feel Kenny Pickett has intangibles that make a QB in the NFL a very good often great NFL QB such as his ability to read defenses pre-snap, go through his progressions throwing the rock. His timing on his throws and his accuracy. Those are all things that you can't teach an NFL QB. You either have it or you don't. I also think he has a stronger arm than both Trubisky & Rudolph. He is the future....give him the keys to the offense and let him go. The QB on the other side of the field today was inserted as the Week 1 starter last season and he has looked pretty darn good so far. The fear of throwing a guy out there too early out of fear they might get ruined or it could have a negative impact on their development is sooooo ridiculous.....Trubisky just isn't a good QB. It's not because he was thrown into a starting QB job as a rookie and it ruined him. He's just not good! It didn't wreck Terry Bradshaw.....damn I can remember Chuck Noll ripping him apart and berating him on the sideline during games.....Terry did pretty damn good if my memory serves me correct.
 
jitter77 said:
We lost because their WR took away an INT which ended up being a TD instead. We dropped an INT which was then followed by a muffed punt for another TD. Try to look at things objectively.

If you watched this team last year and didnt know who the QB was, and watched the team today there is not much difference. Mitch threw short alot, but so did Ben. Everyone thinks Pickett is the second coming of Jesus, but he will have less freedom than Ben or Mitch. We can not place most of the blame on the QB when we see the same stuff over and over from Canada. We refuse to mix it up and go up tempo. When we went up tempo Mitch was playing loose. When following the Canada script the whole team looks tight. Mitch did not play a perfect game, but the play calls are not letting the team succeed. We seem to have no crossing routes, no jump balls for our WRs, we seem to have an occasional slant, out route, and swing passes. Just poor offensive design. All we heard is a mobile QB this and that, but where are the designed QB runs or roll outs? 85% of the blame falls on canada, 10% falls on the oline for not being able to run block, then then least falls on the QB until the other things improve.
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I think it's 100% for Tomlin building this **** show.
 
Chicoman said:
I am not a Canada fan by any means. I do know Mitch Trubisky is not the answer at QB. He looks just like he did in Chicago, actually worse IMO but that could be The Canada Effect. I feel Kenny Pickett has intangibles that make a QB in the NFL a very good often great NFL QB such as his ability to read defenses pre-snap, go through his progressions throwing the rock. His timing on his throws and his accuracy. Those are all things that you can't teach an NFL QB. You either have it or you don't. I also think he has a stronger arm than both Trubisky & Rudolph. He is the future....give him the keys to the offense and let him go. The QB on the other side of the field today was inserted as the Week 1 starter last season and he has looked pretty darn good so far. The fear of throwing a guy out there too early out of fear they might get ruined or it could have a negative impact on their development is sooooo ridiculous.....Trubisky just isn't a good QB. It's not because he was thrown into a starting QB job as a rookie and it ruined him. He's just not good! It didn't wreck Terry Bradshaw.....damn I can remember Chuck Noll ripping him apart and berating him on the sideline during games.....Terry did pretty damn good if my memory serves me correct.
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Kenny is NOT Terry
 
Rookie QBs simply do not come into the NFL and tear it up. It just does not happen. Ben has a great rookie season, but also had a way better supporting cast. We had a good oline and more importantly a running game to fall back on. This version of the steelers has a bad oline, a non existent running game, and one of the worst offensive game plans in the NFL. DJ is playing great, but no one else seems to be getting open. I dont care if Pickett starts or not, but blaming Mitch for the crap show of an offense we have is ridiculous. The entire offense is handicapped by Canada and the Oline. I very much doubt Kenny is going to come in there and start chucking it downfield. Do you think Pickett can read a D better than Ben? Pickett was playing against scrubs in the preseason against vanilla schemes so you can not judge based on pre-season performance. Pickett will probably play more recklessly which may result in more yards, but also more turnovers. Not sure if it will result in more points or not. This team can not afford to lose the turnover battle as w/o Watt we have no QB pressure
 
What mistake a tipped ball for interception tipped. Canada calls two running plays and Mitch throws a good pass on third down for a TD and better to Johnson for two points.
Lets see he hit every behind the chain pass that was called, You could almost call each play as they lined up Pats seemed to know this plus nothing in the middle they cannot run. Did Canada call anything different all day. Mitch can't change a play under this offense by Canada. The only thing Mitch did bad was he is the QB on a team that has a poor play caller and a line that is weak. Do you really believe Kenny would fare any better. It is like watch replay on you tube of last year.
 
jitter77 said:
We lost because their WR took away an INT which ended up being a TD instead. We dropped an INT which was then followed by a muffed punt for another TD. Try to look at things objectively.

If you watched this team last year and didnt know who the QB was, and watched the team today there is not much difference. Mitch threw short alot, but so did Ben. Everyone thinks Pickett is the second coming of Jesus, but he will have less freedom than Ben or Mitch. We can not place most of the blame on the QB when we see the same stuff over and over from Canada. We refuse to mix it up and go up tempo. When we went up tempo Mitch was playing loose. When following the Canada script the whole team looks tight. Mitch did not play a perfect game, but the play calls are not letting the team succeed. We seem to have no crossing routes, no jump balls for our WRs, we seem to have an occasional slant, out route, and swing passes. Just poor offensive design. All we heard is a mobile QB this and that, but where are the designed QB runs or roll outs? 85% of the blame falls on canada, 10% falls on the oline for not being able to run block, then then least falls on the QB until the other things improve.
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So we lost because if you just erase our worst plays and their best plays then we’re golden…yeah that’s not realistic

We lost because our margin of error is zero under the current regime and ya don’t get to erase their best plays and our worst. That’s not how it works. We lost because they were better and we were out coached

Realistically that could be a recurring theme this year
 
Fiji Mariner said:
So we lost because if you just erase our worst plays and their best plays then we’re golden…yeah that’s not realistic

We lost because our margin of error is zero under the current regime and ya don’t get to erase their best plays and our worst. That’s not how it works. We lost because they were better and we were out coached

Realistically that could be a recurring theme this year
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Im just saying we can not lose the turnover battle and those 3 plays were kinda flukes. We did not get many good breaks today and this team is not good enough to overcome mistakes or bad breaks. You are right we have 0 margin for error and we are out coached most times. Fire Canada and let Flores call the offense. Cant be any worse
 
CoolieMan said:
Kenny is NOT Terry
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Didn't say he was Terry but what is all the fear over starting a rookie QB? Mac Jones, Tua Tagliova, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Zach Wilson, Justin Herbert, Kyler Murray, Carson Wentz, Trevor Lawrence. Let Kenny Pickett play....lets see what we've got in this kid....gotta let him develop. He already knows Matt Canada's offense...probably better than both Trubisky & Rudolph.
 
jitter77 said:
Rookie QBs simply do not come into the NFL and tear it up. It just does not happen. Ben has a great rookie season, but also had a way better supporting cast. We had a good oline and more importantly a running game to fall back on. This version of the steelers has a bad oline, a non existent running game, and one of the worst offensive game plans in the NFL. DJ is playing great, but no one else seems to be getting open. I dont care if Pickett starts or not, but blaming Mitch for the crap show of an offense we have is ridiculous. The entire offense is handicapped by Canada and the Oline. I very much doubt Kenny is going to come in there and start chucking it downfield. Do you think Pickett can read a D better than Ben? Pickett was playing against scrubs in the preseason against vanilla schemes so you can not judge based on pre-season performance. Pickett will probably play more recklessly which may result in more yards, but also more turnovers. Not sure if it will result in more points or not. This team can not afford to lose the turnover battle as w/o Watt we have no QB pressure
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I actually think Kenny Pickett is more NFL ready right now than Ben Roethlisberger was in his rookie year. All first year starters.....Mac Jones, Tua Tagliova, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Zach Wilson, Justin Herbert, Kyler Murray, Carson Wentz, Trevor Lawrence. Let's GET ON WITH IT! See what we got with him! Kenny Pickett might not have a great O-line but he has a excellent group of WR's, TE's & RB's around him. Let him start!
 
Chicoman said:
Didn't say he was Terry but what is all the fear over starting a rookie QB? Mac Jones, Tua Tagliova, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Zach Wilson, Justin Herbert, Kyler Murray, Carson Wentz, Trevor Lawrence. Let Kenny Pickett play....lets see what we've got in this kid....gotta let him develop. He already knows Matt Canada's offense...probably better than both Trubisky & Rudolph.
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no but you implied that since Terry ended up being successful then Kenny could given the same circumstances

you keep say throw him out there and I keep seeing David Carr getting beat up week after week and falling apart

Kenny might be better, but he might not

canada's play calling suck that bad
 
Chicoman said:
Didn't say he was Terry but what is all the fear over starting a rookie QB? Mac Jones, Tua Tagliova, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Zach Wilson, Justin Herbert, Kyler Murray, Carson Wentz, Trevor Lawrence. Let Kenny Pickett play....lets see what we've got in this kid....gotta let him develop. He already knows Matt Canada's offense...probably better than both Trubisky & Rudolph.
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Oh yeah, 100% he should get the start.
 
jitter77 said:
We lost because their WR took away an INT which ended up being a TD instead. We dropped an INT which was then followed by a muffed punt for another TD. Try to look at things objectively.

If you watched this team last year and didnt know who the QB was, and watched the team today there is not much difference. Mitch threw short alot, but so did Ben. Everyone thinks Pickett is the second coming of Jesus, but he will have less freedom than Ben or Mitch. We can not place most of the blame on the QB when we see the same stuff over and over from Canada. We refuse to mix it up and go up tempo. When we went up tempo Mitch was playing loose. When following the Canada script the whole team looks tight. Mitch did not play a perfect game, but the play calls are not letting the team succeed. We seem to have no crossing routes, no jump balls for our WRs, we seem to have an occasional slant, out route, and swing passes. Just poor offensive design. All we heard is a mobile QB this and that, but where are the designed QB runs or roll outs? 85% of the blame falls on canada, 10% falls on the oline for not being able to run block, then then least falls on the QB until the other things improve.
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So then the problem is Tomlin
 
Chicoman said:
I actually think Kenny Pickett is more NFL ready right now than Ben Roethlisberger was in his rookie year. All first year starters.....Mac Jones, Tua Tagliova, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Zach Wilson, Justin Herbert, Kyler Murray, Carson Wentz, Trevor Lawrence. Let's GET ON WITH IT! See what we got with him! Kenny Pickett might not have a great O-line but he has a excellent group of WR's, TE's & RB's around him. Let him start!
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Most of those QBs had bad rookie years and the jury is out on many of them. Jones looks serviceable, mayfield got replaced by a sex offender, Goff got replaced on a loaded team, Murray has been all over the place, Wentz was looking good but then totally fell off a cliff, Tua had a great game today but that was one of few, and lawrence is on a bad team but has looked bad. Herbert seems like the real deal though. Our WRs should be excellent but have not been living up to the hype. I am not against starting Pickett, but I am against constantly bashing Mitch and thinking Pickett is some savior when this team has other major issues that a prime joe montana couldnt fix
 
CoolieMan said:
no but you implied that since Terry ended up being successful then Kenny could given the same circumstances

you keep say throw him out there and I keep seeing David Carr getting beat up week after week and falling apart

Kenny might be better, but he might not

canada's play calling suck that bad
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No that's your interpretation and I never said that. Perhaps with interpretations like that you should be working at CNN!

How the hell can you sit here and think you should continue to start Mitch Trubisky who has shown nothing in 2 complete games? You draft a kid #20th overall and he goes out in the pre-season (29 for 36 251 yds 3 TD's including 2 inside 2 minutes to play) and proves the stage is not too big for him and that he just might be the next Franchise QB for our Steelers. But instead of starting him for whatever reasons or fears you have (You could ruin him or bruise his fragile ego (= Millenial Mentality) you continue to start a guy who has under-performed and hasn't been able to lead the offense at all. This is the friggin NFL....I'm sorry I don't coddle players....I don't draft *******! I want mentally, physically tough players who can play football. Give the kid a chance....he's going to have to learn sooner or later. I'd rather it be sooner rather than later. If he goes out and tosses 5 INT's so be it....I'd rather see that than watch Mitch Trubisky who I know isn't the future.
 
jitter77 said:
Most of those QBs had bad rookie years and the jury is out on many of them. Jones looks serviceable, mayfield got replaced by a sex offender, Goff got replaced on a loaded team, Murray has been all over the place, Wentz was looking good but then totally fell off a cliff, Tua had a great game today but that was one of few, and lawrence is on a bad team but has looked bad. Herbert seems like the real deal though. Our WRs should be excellent but have not been living up to the hype. I am not against starting Pickett, but I am against constantly bashing Mitch and thinking Pickett is some savior when this team has other major issues that a prime joe montana couldnt fix
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Not saying Pickett is a savior but you drafted this kid with your first overall pick. You didn't draft him to sit on the bench! His time in now! We don't know how he will perform but I highly doubt he will be worse than Trubisky. Mitch can't even muster 200 yds throwing the ball. You can't win in today's NFL with a QB who can't fling it around and rack up big yardage!
 
I think Mitch doesn't see the field well and that is hampering his drives. Kenny gave me the opposite vibe in preseason. I thought he saw the field and had good ball placement. I am still not confident in Canada. But I think sooner than later they should see what they have in Pickett, if Mitch continues to struggle. So far he has provided nothing that made me think those struggles won't continue.
 
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