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F-I-R-E T-O-M-L-I-N!!!

I always liked the stability, but have been seeing the downside of it. I guess Dan was just tougher because he challenged Noll a few times when things got rough in the late '80s. Does Art 2 even challenge Tomlin?
Only when discussing their investment choices over dinner at Atius..
 
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I doubt Tomlin will be fired after yet another "non-losing" season, and on the hook for guaranteed money, but he may feel the pressure to step down if they don't win Saturday, and if he is able to workout a soft landing with a new team behind the scenes.

The problem is the Steelers need to have a plan A, B, C and D in place regarding his replacement before they fire him, or he steps down. They should be targeting some young up and coming coordinators right now. Part of me thinks that Brian Flores might be someone to strongly consider, but I worry he would be Tomlin 2.0 with more focus on defense with no clue about how to compete on offense. He also flamed out with Miami.
 
On Debo's podcast he says they need top down change but it won't happen till after 2026. But to me it's this March or bust because they either exercise his 2027 option or not. If not I think it's done now. If it's is I have no idea.
many of us picked after 2026 to be his cut off point even 5 years ago...

There were a couple clear break points for him

One was Ben retiring, and that didnt happen
There were a couple really logical trades that would probably have appeased him and given us a crack at a obvious replacement, like with Chicago abd getting Ben Johnson last year

But i believe after 2026 all his kids will have graduated and Dan Rooney should be ready to take over and Art Retire.. on top of that if he wins 9 more games he ties Noll for total career wins (Reg plus playoffs)


Its the best break point for a reset
 
many of us picked after 2026 to be his cut off point even 5 years ago...

There were a couple clear break points for him

One was Ben retiring, and that didnt happen
There were a couple really logical trades that would probably have appeased him and given us a crack at a obvious replacement, like with Chicago abd getting Ben Johnson last year

But i believe after 2026 all his kids will have graduated and Dan Rooney should be ready to take over and Art Retire.. on top of that if he wins 9 more games he ties Noll for total career wins (Reg plus playoffs)


Its the best break point for a reset
But if he gets nine or more wins in 2026, he is only one behind the record for most consecutive non-losing seasons.

Listening to his press conferences over the last few years, and his responses whenever the media dare to suggest anything he does is less than perfect or bring up fan criticism, I get the feeling if he is under any sort of spotlight he is going to stay on as a big "**** you" to his critics.
 
Criticize Khan all you want, but he isn't the guy who drafted Kenny Pickett and not the guy who hired Arthur Smith.

Paying Dk 33 million per year for 850 yds should be enough to be fired.
Add in trading away a better Wr making 31 million less.
There aren't words for that level of stupidity.
 
I think the above is a huge factor. How do you fire a friend? He's been there so long the wives are probably friends.

I always liked the stability, but have been seeing the downside of it. I guess Dan was just tougher because he challenged Noll a few times when things got rough in the late '80s. Does Art 2 even challenge Tomlin?
There's absolutely downsides. However, listening to DK he often highlights Tomlin only looking at the team through the lens of the defensive side of the ball. He just does not have the mindset needed to advance the offensive side of the ball. This team doesn't even luck into big offensive performances because they hold themselves back by design.
 
If I need a head coach to give a word salad press conference Tomlin is the guy.

If I need a HC to develop players, make in game adjustments and be able to scheme against bad teams, Tomlin is the worst!

This team
Needs a hugely embarrassing loss at home against the Ravens to finally wake up and get change

They already had that embarrassing playoff loss last year,but it wasn't at home.


The Ravens took the football and shoved it up the Steelers *** for 60 minutes.

That was a new level of pathetic.
 
many of us picked after 2026 to be his cut off point even 5 years ago...

There were a couple clear break points for him

One was Ben retiring, and that didnt happen
There were a couple really logical trades that would probably have appeased him and given us a crack at a obvious replacement, like with Chicago abd getting Ben Johnson last year

But i believe after 2026 all his kids will have graduated and Dan Rooney should be ready to take over and Art Retire.. on top of that if he wins 9 more games he ties Noll for total career wins (Reg plus playoffs)


Its the best break point for a reset
Great post!!!!The break point should have been Ben retiring. Rebuild team. New HC.
 
Paying Dk 33 million per year for 850 yds should be enough to be fired.
Add in trading away a better Wr making 31 million less.
There aren't words for that level of stupidity.
I don't think it's a fair comparison since the receiver traded away would not have had the same numbers he put up in Dallas had he remained under Tomlin's inept offensive thumb. He will be laughing his way to the bank after the season. He would not be a pro bowl receiver here. He would have been a constant complainer and in Tomlin's doghouse most of the year due to a bad attitude and locker room disrupter. Trading him helped the locker room and helped him. He wasn't going to produce here regardless with the existing offensive approach to the offense.
 
Great post!!!!The break point should have been Ben retiring. Rebuild team. New HC.
I think the current contract with the option probably was set up to cover him reaching that wins milestone in case he had to get a couple in 2027

But on the flip side, if Tomlin continues to be an unpopular HC, the team wont get the favorable PR it needs for the Stadium upgrades or replacement it wants... cause they want it on the taxpayer dime
 
The way I see it, the fans might have their chance to force Rooney's hand if the game and atmosphere turn ugly enough on national TV.

Obviously, if the Steelers play well, forget it, but if it turns into a disaster, the fans need to be loud and heard.

Non-losing record or not, I'm not sure how even Art2 could justify the status quo if they collapse to end the season for the second year in a row.
 
I just don't know what to think sometimes. I listen to DK, who I really like because I think he has a measured approach. He was saying how the middle of the field was a no fly area for Steeler receivers against the Browns. But then I see a shot of the 4th and 1 that Rodgers threw to Miller in the 2nd quarter, and he has Theilen wide open, where? In the middle of the field. They also had a seam route on the play that may have come open.
 
I just don't know what to think sometimes. I listen to DK, who I really like because I think he has a measured approach. He was saying how the middle of the field was a no fly area for Steeler receivers against the Browns. But then I see a shot of the 4th and 1 that Rodgers threw to Miller in the 2nd quarter, and he has Theilen wide open, where? In the middle of the field. They also had a seam route on the play that may have come open.
I don't have the exact quote, but Tomlin after last season said he doesn't like the middle of the field because it greatly increases the risk of turnovers.
 
I don't have the exact quote, but Tomlin after last season said he doesn't like the middle of the field because it greatly increases the risk of turnovers.


That's a pansy *** loser philosophy,not when you have a qb like AR.

All this chicken **** stuff so you can win enough games to pass Noll for regular season wins. Great!Get that and then go **** off.

Man go out on your shield,don't cower and hide behind it.
 
I just don't know what to think sometimes. I listen to DK, who I really like because I think he has a measured approach. He was saying how the middle of the field was a no fly area for Steeler receivers against the Browns. But then I see a shot of the 4th and 1 that Rodgers threw to Miller in the 2nd quarter, and he has Theilen wide open, where? In the middle of the field. They also had a seam route on the play that may have come open.

You're highlighting just a few plays out of dozens in that game and hundreds throughout the season.

Maybe there are reasons Rodgers was ignoring the middle of the field in those situations?

The Steelers have thrown over the middle of the field less than any team in the league since 2019.

It doesn't matter if it's future HOF QBs or journeymen in that the Steelers just haven't done it with any consistency for a long time and we all know why.

The "middle of the field" debate aside, the Steelers approached the Browns game beyond scared with Metcalf out and Garrett chasing the sack record.

They're trying to win a division title and they run on 3rd and 6 AND 3rd and 4 at different points in the game?

If you're going to do that against the Browns defense, you may as well punt on 3rd down.

A change is long over due and will be more than justified if they lose to the Ravens. It's been justified for a long time, if we're being honest.
 
many of us picked after 2026 to be his cut off point even 5 years ago...

There were a couple clear break points for him

One was Ben retiring, and that didnt happen
There were a couple really logical trades that would probably have appeased him and given us a crack at a obvious replacement, like with Chicago abd getting Ben Johnson last year

But i believe after 2026 all his kids will have graduated and Dan Rooney should be ready to take over and Art Retire.. on top of that if he wins 9 more games he ties Noll for total career wins (Reg plus playoffs)


Its the best break point for a reset




The big break time is NOT to pick up his option year ‘27. Art 2 won’t pay his contract empty.

If Mike were to step down sooner, and timely with looking for replacement. I mean right after season is over and not drag out to be a part of the new hire process, similar to Colbert staying on.

There are so many ways for things to continue bad, but the first step is to get him off the premises.




Salute the nation
 
If they are keeping him knowing he cannot be part of a much needed rebuild but to keep duct taping this together to get his milestone.......that is ******.
 
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