FIRE CANADA!!!!!!!

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Steelers points at halftime for their last seven games: 3, 3, 0, 3, 0, 10, 3. That's 3.1 points per half, or the equivalent of 22 points in three-and-a-half games. Incredibly anemic.

0, 7, 7, 10, 17, 14, 3, 14, 10, 10 are the scores in the other ten games, for a total of 114 first half points. If you double that (for two halves), it's 228. Which would put them last in the league behind the #32 Jags (253), the #31 Giants (258) and #30 Texans (280). Even the New York Football Jets managed to score 310 points this year.

Just pathetic. And I'm sure they're well under 150 yards per first half, but I don't feel like researching it. They had 82 today.

Thx man, even worse than I thought

 

[insaniti]

This is a significant limitation. I love Ben, I'm glad he came back, but I'm also read about where he's at as a QB this year.

But it's not, again Manning NEVER had mobility and was quite often slower than all his OL. The issue is that Ben didn't get the protection needed to be a pure pocket passer his body had forced him to become.

 

[topseed]

Thx man, even worse than I thought

No problem. If you break it down to first quarters, it's even worse: 0, 0, 0 ,7, 7, 0, 0, 7, 7, 3, 3, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 3.

37 first quarter points the entire season. In 17 games. Completely shut out 10 times. Think about that for a second.

 

[TDX27]

Just look at yesterday. We lost Najee pretty early and he did come back but, from the beginning, we ran on 1st down it seemed almost every time. We were playing one of the top 5 run D's in the NFL and one of the back 5 D's against the pass. Why the **** was that our game plan? 2nd and long and 3rd and long put Ben and the rest of the O in a bad situation. Canada should have been trying to get ahead of that. Later in the game, they did start throwing 5, 10, 20-yard passses and it was working. Why not mix them in from the beginning? Pass to open the run? Do more sweeps with Claypool. He's a freak. He's big, strong and fast as ****. I could go on and on. It's all O scheme's and play calling by Canada. He ******* sucks!

 

[Badcat]

No problem. If you break it down to first quarters, it's even worse: 0, 0, 0 ,7, 7, 0, 0, 7, 7, 3, 3, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 3.

37 first quarter points the entire season. In 17 games. Completely shut out 10 times. Think about that for a second.

Let's also think about...

4 rookies in the starting lineup
#1 WR out with an injury
Patchwork O-line, two of them rookies
An aged QB who struggled all year with a QBR of just 35.8 this season!

So, you're an Offensive Coordinator with a QB who is struggling behind an offensive line that is relatively inexperienced and struggling greatly (Coach fired) relying on a rookie running back to learn the timing of the blocking scheme with your #1 WR out for the season. WTF would any of you have done differently? And yet, the Steelers make the playoffs having the toughest schedule in the NFL. And yet, Najee is one the top 5 RB in the NFL.

Look, I'm about as tired of the ******* bubble screens and passes in front of the first down markers than all of you, At one point in the game yesterday, the Steelers were 1-9 in 3rd down conversions. The play calling is definitely suspect at times to us armchair offensive gurus, but Canada's hands are tied given the circumstances. Ben is done this year so that's just one rope removed and allows the Steelers to draft/FA hire the next QB to run a Matt Canada offense.

Consistency is the Steeler way and I don't think we've given Canada an opportunity to showcase what he's capable of just yet.

 

[TDX27]

I hear all this. I know our O-line sucked. I know Ben isn't the Ben of years ago (but he can still throw it). I know JuJu is out. But, for weeks on end, this team could do nothing until late in games when the ball was put in Ben's hands (to the extent it could be after Canada removed, yes removed, our no-huddle offense prior to the season). They showed they could move the ball and score. The play calls throughout games on 3rd and long where they throw to or behind the line and expect the first down sticks to magically back up 10+ yards is 100% Canada. This team and especially Ben proved they can move the ball, throw it 10, 20, 30 yards downfield, and score but only once Canada got out of the way. No reasonable coach takes an entire year and still hasn't figured out how to win with the personnel he has yet that is exactly what Canada has done. No reasonable OC guts a team of its no-huddle/hurry-up offense they have been so good at with no contingency plan to score quickly in games. They didn't win 1 game because of Canada. They won in spite of him.

P.S. And why on earth do they still refuse to bring up Miller again even when they were severely shorthanded this past weekend? RayRay has improved but he still wouldn't make most teams in this league. Miller is a better WR. Making RayRay almost the focal point of our O by targetting him so much is just bizarre. That is all dumb coaching just like it was by bringing Harvin back to punt less than 2 weeks after he buried his dad and they let Tuitt take an entire year and preseason off. Tomlin isn't going anywhere but Canada should be fired immediately after our last game of the season.

 

[FordFairLane]

You know I can’t find out much on Canada’s contract but I feel Canada and Tomlin’s contract could very easily expire after 2024. I know that likely means 3 more years of mediocrity but if you look at the bright side I feel we have one of two things. 1- the Steelers and offense rock and we win a super bowl. 2- we have three years of average at best teams but we have an end in sight. We know 2025 we will have a new coaching staff.

I know it’s not what people want to hear but I feel given Art the Deuces past of not “firing” coaches just not renewing contracts it’s the most likely.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

I hear all this. I know our O-line sucked. I know Ben isn't the Ben of years ago (but he can still throw it). I know JuJu is out. But, for weeks on end, this team could do nothing until late in games when the ball was put in Ben's hands (to the extent it could be after Canada removed, yes removed, our no-huddle offense prior to the season). They showed they could move the ball and score. The play calls throughout games on 3rd and long where they throw to or behind the line and expect the first down sticks to magically back up 10+ yards is 100% Canada. This team and especially Ben proved they can move the ball, throw it 10, 20, 30 yards downfield, and score but only once Canada got out of the way. No reasonable coach takes an entire year and still hasn't figured out how to win with the personnel he has yet that is exactly what Canada has done. No reasonable OC guts a team of its no-huddle/hurry-up offense they have been so good at with no contingency plan to score quickly in games. They didn't win 1 game because of Canada. They won in spite of him.

P.S. And why on earth do they still refuse to bring up Miller again even when they were severely shorthanded this past weekend? RayRay has improved but he still wouldn't make most teams in this league. Miller is a better WR. Making RayRay almost the focal point of our O by targetting him so much is just bizarre. That is all dumb coaching just like it was by bringing Harvin back to punt less than 2 weeks after he buried his dad and they let Tuitt take an entire year and preseason off. Tomlin isn't going anywhere but Canada should be fired immediately after our last game of the season.

Bingo, Ben can still make throws down the field. IMO they suck *** in the first half because that is the game plan Canada installed all week, then once they are down in the 2nd half it becomes well **** put it in on Ben to throw the ball down the field now and it is markedly improved, just think what an OC who would actually learn from this week in and out could do. Canada doesn't deserve to coach Sunday, much less next year.

 

[TDX27]

Bingo, Ben can still make throws down the field. IMO they suck *** in the first half because that is the game plan Canada installed all week, then once they are down in the 2nd half it becomes well **** put it in on Ben to throw the ball down the field now and it is markedly improved, just think what an OC who would actually learn from this week in and out could do. Canada doesn't deserve to coach Sunday, much less next year.

They run the same **** in the first half every week no matter the opponent. Start the game in the no-huddle for once. Oh, that's right, Canada got rid of it and Tomlin blessed it.

 

[Shane Falco]

If the Steelers decide to fire Canada- I think Matt Nagy would be worth taking a flyer out on

 

[SteelerFan448]

But it's not, again Manning NEVER had mobility and was quite often slower than all his OL. The issue is that Ben didn't get the protection needed to be a pure pocket passer his body had forced him to become.

Have you watched the last two games? It's just not there at a high enough level anymore. He's not retiring because he doesn't love football, but because he cannot play at the high level he is used to.

 

[Superman]

Just look at yesterday. We lost Najee pretty early and he did come back but, from the beginning, we ran on 1st down it seemed almost every time. We were playing one of the top 5 run D's in the NFL and one of the back 5 D's against the pass. Why the **** was that our game plan? 2nd and long and 3rd and long put Ben and the rest of the O in a bad situation. Canada should have been trying to get ahead of that. Later in the game, they did start throwing 5, 10, 20-yard passses and it was working. Why not mix them in from the beginning? Pass to open the run? Do more sweeps with Claypool. He's a freak. He's big, strong and fast as ****. I could go on and on. It's all O scheme's and play calling by Canada. He ******* sucks!

I remember when we were doing 3-4-5 of those ... per game.
Watch the guy in motion. if he gets the ball, crash the direction he's going. if he doesnt get the ball, crash the other way. simple defensive read that is only messed up if the handoff is hidden.

 

[wig]

I love Ben. Lots. But I was watching a bit of the Manning Bros. podcast of the Steelers/Browns game. There was a 3rd and 9 play near the redzone and Ben drops back and almost immediately throws a 2 yard out to Muth, who has 4 Browns on him before he can even begin to think about getting any more yards.

During the podcast, (and I assume the telecast) they showed the play from behind Ben. The play called for Muth to cut up and out toward the sideline, while Claypool ran a 5 yard post. Ben isn't under any real pressure, he has room to step up into the pocket to extend a second or two, and it is CLEAR that Claypool is going to have a very clean lane and Ben only has to get the ball over the middle linebacker who is too shallow and is crossing in order to cover if Claypool runs a cross rather than a post. He couldn't have gotten there for the post route and the DBs were already drifting toward the sidelines. Had Ben pumped toward Muth and then thrown over the linebacker to Claypool, it's an easy TD.

Made me sad to see it. It's like Ben never even saw it. I'm sure during film, he was kicking himself.

 

[FordFairLane]

I love Ben. Lots. But I was watching a bit of the Manning Bros. podcast of the Steelers/Browns game. There was a 3rd and 9 play near the redzone and Ben drops back and almost immediately throws a 2 yard out to Muth, who has 4 Browns on him before he can even begin to think about getting any more yards.

During the podcast, (and I assume the telecast) they showed the play from behind Ben. The play called for Muth to cut up and out toward the sideline, while Claypool ran a 5 yard post. Ben isn't under any real pressure, he has room to step up into the pocket to extend a second or two, and it is CLEAR that Claypool is going to have a very clean lane and Ben only has to get the ball over the middle linebacker who is too shallow and is crossing in order to cover if Claypool runs a cross rather than a post. He couldn't have gotten there for the post route and the DBs were already drifting toward the sidelines. Had Ben pumped toward Muth and then thrown over the linebacker to Claypool, it's an easy TD.

Made me sad to see it. It's like Ben never even saw it. I'm sure during film, he was kicking himself.

Everyone misses an open man now and again. Hell, that wide open Gentry play that would have been a TD cost me 12k in draft kings. Not joking. But I think Ben is so used to dropping back and getting hit with in 1.5 seconds that he doesn’t allow for things to develop. He’s just trying to get the ball out for a positive play. It’s sad to see because in his prime he’d extend a play 4-5 seconds to let something open up down field.

But for the people who think signing Aaron Rodgers fixes our woah’s let this be clear. He’d get murdered behind that line. Russell Wilson still has good enough legs to probably get it done behind it but wouldn’t be pretty.

 

[Shane Falco]

I love Ben. Lots. But I was watching a bit of the Manning Bros. podcast of the Steelers/Browns game. There was a 3rd and 9 play near the redzone and Ben drops back and almost immediately throws a 2 yard out to Muth, who has 4 Browns on him before he can even begin to think about getting any more yards.

During the podcast, (and I assume the telecast) they showed the play from behind Ben. The play called for Muth to cut up and out toward the sideline, while Claypool ran a 5 yard post. Ben isn't under any real pressure, he has room to step up into the pocket to extend a second or two, and it is CLEAR that Claypool is going to have a very clean lane and Ben only has to get the ball over the middle linebacker who is too shallow and is crossing in order to cover if Claypool runs a cross rather than a post. He couldn't have gotten there for the post route and the DBs were already drifting toward the sidelines. Had Ben pumped toward Muth and then thrown over the linebacker to Claypool, it's an easy TD.

Made me sad to see it. It's like Ben never even saw it. I'm sure during film, he was kicking himself.

Claypool was also all thumbs as well during that game. Ben may not have much trust in him to come off with that catch. He couldn’t catch Covid in Wuhan last week.

 

[stillwright]

Everyone misses an open man now and again. Hell, that wide open Gentry play that would have been a TD cost me 12k in draft kings. Not joking. But I think Ben is so used to dropping back and getting hit with in 1.5 seconds that he doesn’t allow for things to develop. He’s just trying to get the ball out for a positive play. It’s sad to see because in his prime he’d extend a play 4-5 seconds to let something open up down field.

But for the people who think signing Aaron Rodgers fixes our woah’s let this be clear. He’d get murdered behind that line. Russell Wilson still has good enough legs to probably get it done behind it but wouldn’t be pretty.

This. Sums it up perfectly.

 

[TDX27]

For whatever reason, Ben is dropping back and throwing to the first option. I'm honestly not sure there is a 2nd or 3rd option unless Ben ignores the play call. Especially in the 1st half of games, the plays are so quick with maybe 1 or 2 looking to go 10 to 20 yards downfield. That's it. Ben has tried to fit in with Canada's system. When it has completely failed in a game and if it's not too late, that is when you see Ben start to look for other options than what Canada has called. Canada's RPO is either a run or a pass to option 1. There is no other option and that just ******* hasn't worked all season.

 

[Djfan]

Well, I can't find it now, but I just read a tweet on fb that Denver wants to interview Canada for the head coaching position.

If someone finds it, can you post it?

 

[Drink IRON City]

Steelers points at halftime for their last seven games: 3, 3, 0, 3, 0, 10, 3. That's 3.1 points per half, or the equivalent of 22 points in three-and-a-half games. Incredibly anemic.

0, 7, 7, 10, 17, 14, 3, 14, 10, 10 are the scores in the other ten games, for a total of 114 first half points. If you double that (for two halves), it's 228. Which would put them last in the league behind the #32 Jags (253), the #31 Giants (258) and #30 Texans (280). Even the New York Football Jets managed to score 310 points this year.

Just pathetic. And I'm sure they're well under 150 yards per first half, but I don't feel like researching it. They had 82 today.

Great research topseed, thank you

My question is why the hell hasn't any heads rolled ? Even after the season I presume nothing will happen either. Maybe a sacrificial lamb that went to Oregon but what else ?

It is hard to believe we are winning games with this combo of low score and 15 minutes of real play.

Any fool can see how suddenly the up-tempO (more Ben calling plays) suddenly brings things to life. AGAIN why is Canada here?




Salute the nation

 

[Drink IRON City]

Well, I can't find it now, but I just read a tweet on fb that Denver wants to interview Canada for the head coaching position.

If someone finds it, can you post it?

I wonder if Canada would return the favor and take Tomlin with him as his OC.?




Salute the nation

 

[Drink IRON City]

I hear all this. I know our O-line sucked. I know Ben isn't the Ben of years ago (but he can still throw it). I know JuJu is out. But, for weeks on end, this team could do nothing until late in games when the ball was put in Ben's hands (to the extent it could be after Canada removed, yes removed, our no-huddle offense prior to the season). They showed they could move the ball and score. The play calls throughout games on 3rd and long where they throw to or behind the line and expect the first down sticks to magically back up 10+ yards is 100% Canada. This team and especially Ben proved they can move the ball, throw it 10, 20, 30 yards downfield, and score but only once Canada got out of the way. No reasonable coach takes an entire year and still hasn't figured out how to win with the personnel he has yet that is exactly what Canada has done. No reasonable OC guts a team of its no-huddle/hurry-up offense they have been so good at with no contingency plan to score quickly in games. They didn't win 1 game because of Canada. They won in spite of him.

P.S. And why on earth do they still refuse to bring up Miller again even when they were severely shorthanded this past weekend? RayRay has improved but he still wouldn't make most teams in this league. Miller is a better WR. Making RayRay almost the focal point of our O by targetting him so much is just bizarre. That is all dumb coaching just like it was by bringing Harvin back to punt less than 2 weeks after he buried his dad and they let Tuitt take an entire year and preseason off. Tomlin isn't going anywhere but Canada should be fired immediately after our last game of the season.

EXCELLENT POST OF THE YEAR candidate.


Inspite of........................... Has been used with Coach Tomlin as well (not changing topic). Nothing happens under Canada until it's put in Ben's hands. The post where they say Canada's hands are tied, is wrong. How come he doesn't use what's available ? Why continue to call & run plays that play right into those "tied" hands ? Why wait till almost "not a chance" before opening up and going with waht works ?

It came out around game 4 that BEN could not audible out of any play called. They said it was to confusing for the rookie OL (excapegoat excuse) but it is more likely they were forcing BEN to run this ****** up offense. Why did it take 1/2 the season to actually give BEN miniscle Audible plays ? Why are we still calling 3rd & two plays where the ball is thrown 2-4 yards behind the line of scrimage ?

ADD all these things up and you can see that Canada & Tomlin are the ONLY one's who are tieing their own hands.



Salute the nation

 

[topseed]

Let's also think about...

4 rookies in the starting lineup
#1 WR out with an injury
Patchwork O-line, two of them rookies
An aged QB who struggled all year with a QBR of just 35.8 this season!

So, you're an Offensive Coordinator with a QB who is struggling behind an offensive line that is relatively inexperienced and struggling greatly (Coach fired) relying on a rookie running back to learn the timing of the blocking scheme with your #1 WR out for the season. WTF would any of you have done differently? And yet, the Steelers make the playoffs having the toughest schedule in the NFL. And yet, Najee is one the top 5 RB in the NFL.

Look, I'm about as tired of the ******* bubble screens and passes in front of the first down markers than all of you, At one point in the game yesterday, the Steelers were 1-9 in 3rd down conversions. The play calling is definitely suspect at times to us armchair offensive gurus, but Canada's hands are tied given the circumstances. Ben is done this year so that's just one rope removed and allows the Steelers to draft/FA hire the next QB to run a Matt Canada offense.

Consistency is the Steeler way and I don't think we've given Canada an opportunity to showcase what he's capable of just yet.

OK, I thought about it, and I'd love to hear your explanation as to why the Steelers (yes, those same greatly struggling Steelers with all of the excuses you listed there) were able to finish #2 in the league in scoring in the fourth quarter. 168 points in the final stanza, compared to 37 in the first. A ridiculous difference. To me, this signals a team which evidently has some ability to score, but is handicapped early in games because of a ****** script laid out by a ****** offensive coordinator.

 

[Badcat]

OK, I thought about it, and I'd love to hear your explanation as to why the Steelers (yes, those same greatly struggling Steelers with all of the excuses you listed there) were able to finish #2 in the league in scoring in the fourth quarter. 168 points in the final stanza, compared to 37 in the first. A ridiculous difference. To me, this signals a team which evidently has some ability to score, but is handicapped early in games because of a ****** script laid out by a ****** offensive coordinator.

That is certainly one assumption that can be drawn from all of this. Look, I'm just saying that we shouldn't be pinning this all on Canada, he certainly deserves to be blamed for some of it, to the point of calling for the man's job. Not yet anyways.

 

[topseed]

I love Ben. Lots. But I was watching a bit of the Manning Bros. podcast of the Steelers/Browns game. There was a 3rd and 9 play near the redzone and Ben drops back and almost immediately throws a 2 yard out to Muth, who has 4 Browns on him before he can even begin to think about getting any more yards.

During the podcast, (and I assume the telecast) they showed the play from behind Ben. The play called for Muth to cut up and out toward the sideline, while Claypool ran a 5 yard post. Ben isn't under any real pressure, he has room to step up into the pocket to extend a second or two, and it is CLEAR that Claypool is going to have a very clean lane and Ben only has to get the ball over the middle linebacker who is too shallow and is crossing in order to cover if Claypool runs a cross rather than a post. He couldn't have gotten there for the post route and the DBs were already drifting toward the sidelines. Had Ben pumped toward Muth and then thrown over the linebacker to Claypool, it's an easy TD.

Made me sad to see it. It's like Ben never even saw it. I'm sure during film, he was kicking himself.

But Ben is just executing Canada's calls. I agree that he's been around long enough to make a better read, but for whatever reason, he's been going to that first short route the vast majority of the time this season, no matter what the coverage looks like.

There was ONE time in this last game where Ben was looking immediately at Claypool, who was behind the LOS and covered like a blanket, and you could see him almost throwing it there, but then he decided instead to go over the middle to Gentry (I think it was, I have to watch it again) for a nice gain. Ben has to make more of these good decisions for the Steelers to have a chance to win in KC.

 

[topseed]

Well, I can't find it now, but I just read a tweet on fb that Denver wants to interview Canada for the head coaching position.

If someone finds it, can you post it?

Oh God in heaven let it be true.