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I don't really like where the left is taking this debate right now but it doesn't surprise me. Again, what comes around goes around and when the rolls are reversed, it will be very interesting to see how the media reports and handles it.
For some business owners, they might assume a rainbow sticker on your car doesn't mean your gay, only that you are liberal, thus I refused you service because you are liberal, not because you are gay. Is that allowed? Think of the ramifications.
And before people call me a hypocrite, I have never really defended the "religious choice" crap in most cases. I have actually warned all the Christians here that enacted laws that you think protect Christian beliefs and freedom of religious "choice" will backfire and be used by radical Muslims to impact our society in much worse ways. I have stated here that the Supreme Court decision on the Colorado baker was NOT some "win" for religious rights but a very narrow ruling that more condemned Colorado's review board that "allow" the refusal of services on religious grounds.
I thought that Kentuckian that refused to notarize a marriage license to gay people was as dumb as rocks and she should have been fired.
What this event promotes is now the potential discrimination of ANYONE hiding behind Right/Left political nonsense. What if I assume every black that walks into my store is "Democrat" and I don't serve blacks unless they show me they are registered Republicans? Is that allowed?
Seems kind of slippery slope and I don't like any of it. This restaurant was dead wrong just as the growing ideology that peaceful protests are allowed to now harass (and who defines that line?) people is wrong. I don't like that either and I would never participate in anything like that.
But this is the way things are headed. In my opinion, liberals DO push the envelope on these things because the media, hollywood and entertainment industry normally agree with their platform and don't consider it the other way, but it DOES create a precedent that the right won't forget. And when they do it (and they will), the media, hollywood and entertainment industry will decry the fall of our civilization without one mention that they started it or did it first.
Not one liberal has provided me a good answer with what we SHOULD be doing at the border. Not one. There is a process of legal immigration that many are painstakingly doing the right way. They deserve our consideration. They deserve our sympathy when so many are breaking the rules and bypassing the process illegally. Without prosecution, it is tantamount to a government "allowing" open borders which we should all philosophically understand is not possible. We can't catch-and-release on American soil (that's an open border policy). The media says we now can't catch and return without due process. The media says we can't hold them for as long as it takes for the hearing process to last. The media says we can't detain the children while we hold the parents for processing. The media says we can't separate the families and put the children in better conditions (foster families). The media doesn't want to build a wall that might reduce the number. The media doesn't want to increase enforcement to act as a deterrent.
If you listen closely, the media and the left are painting themselves into a corner because they don't allow ANYTHING and offer NO SOLUTIONS.
It is a very simple question. What should we do when a father, mother and child are found 100 yards inside the U.S. and crossed illegally (not though a checkpoint) and caught by border police? It's a very simple question and I'm really, really curious what liberals here think we should do. Be specific because this is happening 100's of times a day right now.
For some business owners, they might assume a rainbow sticker on your car doesn't mean your gay, only that you are liberal, thus I refused you service because you are liberal, not because you are gay. Is that allowed? Think of the ramifications.
And before people call me a hypocrite, I have never really defended the "religious choice" crap in most cases. I have actually warned all the Christians here that enacted laws that you think protect Christian beliefs and freedom of religious "choice" will backfire and be used by radical Muslims to impact our society in much worse ways. I have stated here that the Supreme Court decision on the Colorado baker was NOT some "win" for religious rights but a very narrow ruling that more condemned Colorado's review board that "allow" the refusal of services on religious grounds.
I thought that Kentuckian that refused to notarize a marriage license to gay people was as dumb as rocks and she should have been fired.
What this event promotes is now the potential discrimination of ANYONE hiding behind Right/Left political nonsense. What if I assume every black that walks into my store is "Democrat" and I don't serve blacks unless they show me they are registered Republicans? Is that allowed?
Seems kind of slippery slope and I don't like any of it. This restaurant was dead wrong just as the growing ideology that peaceful protests are allowed to now harass (and who defines that line?) people is wrong. I don't like that either and I would never participate in anything like that.
But this is the way things are headed. In my opinion, liberals DO push the envelope on these things because the media, hollywood and entertainment industry normally agree with their platform and don't consider it the other way, but it DOES create a precedent that the right won't forget. And when they do it (and they will), the media, hollywood and entertainment industry will decry the fall of our civilization without one mention that they started it or did it first.
Not one liberal has provided me a good answer with what we SHOULD be doing at the border. Not one. There is a process of legal immigration that many are painstakingly doing the right way. They deserve our consideration. They deserve our sympathy when so many are breaking the rules and bypassing the process illegally. Without prosecution, it is tantamount to a government "allowing" open borders which we should all philosophically understand is not possible. We can't catch-and-release on American soil (that's an open border policy). The media says we now can't catch and return without due process. The media says we can't hold them for as long as it takes for the hearing process to last. The media says we can't detain the children while we hold the parents for processing. The media says we can't separate the families and put the children in better conditions (foster families). The media doesn't want to build a wall that might reduce the number. The media doesn't want to increase enforcement to act as a deterrent.
If you listen closely, the media and the left are painting themselves into a corner because they don't allow ANYTHING and offer NO SOLUTIONS.
It is a very simple question. What should we do when a father, mother and child are found 100 yards inside the U.S. and crossed illegally (not though a checkpoint) and caught by border police? It's a very simple question and I'm really, really curious what liberals here think we should do. Be specific because this is happening 100's of times a day right now.
