How does the loss of Haskins change the draft?

[BLITZ]

I am just glad that no one is saying we should sign Kap now.

 

[Badcat]

No your bullshit has me riveted. If they were going to take a QB they are still taking one. If They weren't I think Dwayne Haskins death less than 24 hours ago probably should not change that.

Could be an over think. Maybe they both had schedule issues.

Man, you went from a sensitive little snowflake Hell bent against the discussion straight into the conversation. What happened? you take some Midol?

 

[fedderone]

So Ron when you are at work do you often discuss how tge deceased will be replaced at their place of business or is that in bad taste. Just curious. And that is not directed at you but this whole thing in here general.

So I'm going to chime in at this point because this literally just happened here at my work, in my department, within the last year.....

The first posts, there were multiple, were reporting what happened. Dwayne's tragic death. The circumstances. The little bit of information leaking out, followed by subsequent reports of more details as they became available.
The next posts were how it affected everyone. The grieving. The thoughts and prayers reaching out to his family and teammates.
The Steelers are not shutting down. The NFL isn't shutting down. The 2022-2023 season will not be delayed/cancelled because of Dwayne's passing. None of his current teammates are going to protest and sit out minicamps, the draft, Latrobe, pre-season game because of this. There have already been instances of active NFL players dying. While rare, it's not an anomaly.

A gentleman in my department died. It was out of the blue and totally unexpected. Caught us all off guard and unprepared.
Our first question was "What happened?" Our next questions tried to get more details. Then we brainstormed what we could do to help/support his wife and their kids.
But then, eventually, we did get to the how does this affect our department, how we're going to split the work duties up, and how soon before we can get a replacement in here.
So that's exactly what we did. We discussed the deceased and how he would be replaced. My company isn't closing its doors due to his death, my department isn't being contracted due to his death, and we will struggle to replace his in interim while we go through the hiring/training period, until the new hire is up to speed.

It's NOT insensitive.
If the very first post/thread's title was, "DWAYNE HASKINS DEAD - STEELERS EVEN MORE ****** AT QB NOW" then I would understand any outrage and that absolutely would have been insensitive and too soon, Jeff Ross.
But this is a fair question. And I'm sure it's a question that's already been kicked around the Steelers' front office. And it was asked in the appropriate order in response to such a tragedy.
It wasn't the first thing and it wasn't done insensitively.
It has to be addressed, it will be addressed, and it's fair to speculate how it will be handled.
Just like we do with EVERY other facet of every other thing that has an effect on the Steelers.

 

[fedderone]

I don’t think it changes much. They were still drafting one and more than likely will sign another later on down the road.

By the way I’m definitely not trying to stir the pot but I do get it how people feel a certain way for starting the thread the day was killed. It does seem a little insensitive and why not wait at least one day. If this were to be a Ben or Troy in their prime without a doubt everyone would be up in arms and nobody would have even thought about moving on so fast. But, with that being said I think it’s really a preference thing and to each it’s own.

IF this was Ben in his prime, the "WE'RE DOOMED AT QB WHAT DO WE DO" thread would have been posted WAY sooner than this one with Dwayne.
IF the Steelers viewed Haskins as a viable starter, I don't think they sign Trubisky.
But I think he would have been on the roster.
It's a fair question in public forum.
And I haven't seen anyone here talking about his past problems when discussing his death on how the Steelers will react in the draft/off-season.

 

[Drink IRON City]

So I'm going to chime in at this point because this literally just happened here at my work, in my department, within the last year.....

The first posts, there were multiple, were reporting what happened. Dwayne's tragic death. The circumstances. The little bit of information leaking out, followed by subsequent reports of more details as they became available.
The next posts were how it affected everyone. The grieving. The thoughts and prayers reaching out to his family and teammates.
The Steelers are not shutting down. The NFL isn't shutting down. The 2022-2023 season will not be delayed/cancelled because of Dwayne's passing. None of his current teammates are going to protest and sit out minicamps, the draft, Latrobe, pre-season game because of this. There have already been instances of active NFL players dying. While rare, it's not an anomaly.

A gentleman in my department died. It was out of the blue and totally unexpected. Caught us all off guard and unprepared.
Our first question was "What happened?" Our next questions tried to get more details. Then we brainstormed what we could do to help/support his wife and their kids.
But then, eventually, we did get to the how does this affect our department, how we're going to split the work duties up, and how soon before we can get a replacement in here.
So that's exactly what we did. We discussed the deceased and how he would be replaced. My company isn't closing its doors due to his death, my department isn't being contracted due to his death, and we will struggle to replace his in interim while we go through the hiring/training period, until the new hire is up to speed.

It's NOT insensitive.
If the very first post/thread's title was, "DWAYNE HASKINS DEAD - STEELERS EVEN MORE ****** AT QB NOW" then I would understand any outrage and that absolutely would have been insensitive and too soon, Jeff Ross.
But this is a fair question. And I'm sure it's a question that's already been kicked around the Steelers' front office. And it was asked in the appropriate order in response to such a tragedy.
It wasn't the first thing and it wasn't done insensitively.
It has to be addressed, it will be addressed, and it's fair to speculate how it will be handled.
Just like we do with EVERY other facet of every other thing that has an effect on the Steelers.

EXCELLENT level - headed post !!!!

Many here including my self have gone through some variant of this in our lifetime. We get through it and keep doing what is necessary to continue on with life.

Thanks fedderone


Salute the nation

 

[Hypocycloids]

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A gentleman in my department died. It was out of the blue and totally unexpected. Caught us all off guard and unprepared.
Our first question was "What happened?" Our next questions tried to get more details. Then we brainstormed what we could do to help/support his wife and their kids.
But then, eventually, we did get to the how does this affect our department, how we're going to split the work duties up, and how soon before we can get a replacement in here.
So that's exactly what we did. We discussed the deceased and how he would be replaced. My company isn't closing its doors due to his death, my department isn't being contracted due to his death, and we will struggle to replace his in interim while we go through the hiring/training period, until the new hire is up to speed.

Not the same situation.
What you are describing are members within an organization needing to come up with solutions in order to keep the business operating smoothly.
That task would be the responsibility of the FO, Tomlin and the powers that be withing the Steelers organization.

We on this message board are not those people. We are outsiders having zero input on decision making. Our opinions and what we think the Steelers should or shouldn't do don't mean squat.
The best thing we could have done IMO is to put a moratorium on QB replacement talk for a day.

Again, thats just me. I'm not going to begrudge anyone who wants to engage in QB talk. Have at it. Just needed to point out the difference.

 

[Hypocycloids]

I don’t think it’s disrespectful to discuss an already flustered qb situation with the Steelers in light of the tragedy… its a reality that must be addressed.

True, but we aren't the ones chosen for that job.

 

[Badcat]

True, but we aren't the ones chosen for that job.

Are there fans of ours watching us work? Message boards where people can logon and discuss our work, work habits, organizational structure, announcing who was hired, fired, and who might cost too much at their position?

 

[Superman]

Haskins death does effect all of us, since we are the ones who ultimately pay for the NFL. And being Steelers fans, we're more enamored with OUR team and OUR guys.

Haskins dying at the age of 24 is ******* shocking. It's awful. Dude had a lot of potential that is now gone. He could have potentially taken the starter job and led us to another Lombardi. Now, we'll never know.

and, yes, it is fair to ask what we do now. even if "we" are not able to make the calls or sign the contracts, we can speculate - as we do on every topic here - as to the best course of action. It doesnt hurt nor shame Haskins.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Had we drafted one before this incident. Either Rudolph or haskins would have been cut come the end of August.
Now we can still draft one and not have to cut anyone except the camp body they bring in. I didnt / dont condone drafting a QB this year, unless its developmental. Now, it's less egregious to me. They can still invite a camp arm to round out things..

 

[Hypocycloids]

So Ron when you are at work do you often discuss how tge deceased will be replaced at their place of business or is that in bad taste. Just curious. And that is not directed at you but this whole thing in here general.

I guess that would depend on when you start discussing it, and who it was that died. I don't think it's in poor taste to discuss replacing a deceased employee "too soon" especially if he is vital to the success of the organization.
When something like that happens you aren't human if both sadness and the thought "how are we gonna replace him?" doesn't enter your mind at the same time.

 

[Superman]

I guess that would depend on when you start discussing it, and who it was that died. I don't think it's in poor taste to discuss replacing a deceased employee "too soon" especially if he is vital to the success of the organization.
When something like that happens you aren't human if both sadness and the thought "how are we gonna replace him?" doesn't enter your mind at the same time.

i work with a guy who, if he's lucky, will be here in 5 years. Grossly overweight, has numerous health issues stemming from that and can't put down the spoon without picking up a fork. we've already had small discussions as to what to do if and when he checks out.

hell, we had a woman die during Covid shutdown, and we immediately had to shift gears to shuffle her workload around.

 

[fedderone]

Not the same situation.
What you are describing are members within an organization needing to come up with solutions in order to keep the business operating smoothly.
That task would be the responsibility of the FO, Tomlin and the powers that be withing the Steelers organization.

We on this message board are not those people. We are outsiders having zero input on decision making. Our opinions and what we think the Steelers should or shouldn't do don't mean squat.
The best thing we could have done IMO is to put a moratorium on QB replacement talk for a day.

Again, thats just me. I'm not going to begrudge anyone who wants to engage in QB talk. Have at it. Just needed to point out the difference.

We also have no input into whom the Steelers draft/sign in free agency/drop/sit/start and yet we talk about all of those things non stop throughout the year incessantly.
This is no different.
We all love the Steelers.
Something happened that's altered their roster.
We're speculating / hoping / wishing / what happens next for the team and their decisions to fill this void on the roster.
It has nothing to do with being crass or heartless.
I'm assuming most, if not all, of us on this board don't know Dwayne personally.
So we can only say "Our hearts go out to his family, friends, and teammates."
His death does not have the same effect on us as it does the above mentioned.
If this exact same situation played out on any of the other 31 teams, that question about the roster probably isn't posted on this messageboard. But I guarantee it would be on whichever of the other ones that it might have been.
Because a Ravens fan doesn't care about our 2nd/3rd string QB. Much like we don't care about theirs.
I'm not trying to make light of Dwayne's death. It's tragic and I feel bad for all that suffered that personal loss in their life.
But that's not any of us on this board and most of us went about our day and/or went on to the next news story.
It's perspective and having no ego.
If I die today, NOBODY on this board would know or care. People die every day on this planet. We collectively don't know 99% of them.
But because Dwayne's "famous" or because he plays for my favorite team, it has some life altering effect on me and my daily activities?
I'm not trying to sound as callous as this is coming across, but I just found it unfair to attack someone for asking a legitimate question in a very respectful way.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

If I die today, NOBODY on this board would know or care.

Not True for Coolie

 

[Djfan]

Not True for Coolie

I don't very often laugh out loud from posts on this board, but . . . .

 

[Badcat]

If I die today, NOBODY on this board would know or care. People die every day on this planet. We collectively don't know 99% of them.

I have it in my will for someone to logon and let you ******* e r s know that I went Tango Delta. Pretty ****** of you Fedderone to not think of letting us know!

 

[SteelerSask2]

I truly don't believe they are discussing it. I know they will at some point. They will need 4 qbs in camp that is a given. I don't think they will address this in the draft of they weren't before. I know this as well as Can though I'd never say for sure. I don't think there is any way possible Tomlin has called Colbert and said "what now?" I just don't.

 

[Hypocycloids]

I truly don't believe they are discussing it. I know they will at some point. They will need 4 qbs in camp that is a given. I don't think they will address this in the draft of they weren't before. I know this as well as Can though I'd never say for sure. I don't think there is any way possible Tomlin has called Colbert and said "what now?" I just don't.

You're probably right.

How many times have we heard upon hearing about an NFL death or a tragedy that "there are things bigger than football" or that "football is secondary"....a sentiment unanimously agreed upon by everyone here. Yet for some reason have come down pretty hard on you for expressing this very thing.

I guess that goes to show you how important the QB position really is!!!

I don't recall, was there a thread started about how we're gonna replace Ryan Shazier soon after nearly becoming paralyzed?

I just happen to look at Haskins death not as a football fan, but by putting myself in his parents/loved ones shoes.

Which makes me wonder what his parents reaction might actually be. Perhaps no big deal... "Fans just being fans" ? Maybe, you never know.

 

[SteelerSask2]

You're probably right.

How many times have we heard upon hearing about an NFL death or a tragedy that "there are things bigger than football" or that "football is secondary"....a sentiment unanimously agreed upon by everyone here. Yet for some reason have come down pretty hard on you for expressing this very thing.

I guess that goes to show you how important the QB position really is!!!

I don't recall, was there a thread started about how we're gonna replace Ryan Shazier soon after nearly becoming paralyzed?

I just happen to look at Haskins death not as a football fan, but by putting myself in his parents/loved ones shoes.

Which makes me wonder what his parents reaction might actually be. Perhaps no big deal... "Fans just being fans" ? Maybe, you never know.

Well stated.

 

[madinsomniac]

You're probably right.

How many times have we heard upon hearing about an NFL death or a tragedy that "there are things bigger than football" or that "football is secondary"....a sentiment unanimously agreed upon by everyone here. Yet for some reason have come down pretty hard on you for expressing this very thing.

I guess that goes to show you how important the QB position really is!!!

I don't recall, was there a thread started about how we're gonna replace Ryan Shazier soon after nearly becoming paralyzed?

I just happen to look at Haskins death not as a football fan, but by putting myself in his parents/loved ones shoes.

Which makes me wonder what his parents reaction might actually be. Perhaps no big deal... "Fans just being fans" ? Maybe, you never know.

With shazier it was more a discussion of whether he’d be back or not… if you remember, the initial diagnosis with him was simular with what happened to maddox had a lot of hope he would be ok… unfortunately that wasn’t the case… man the Steelers have had a lot of brutal tragedies….

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I am just glad that no one is saying we should sign Kap now.

They probably are in the FB group.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

We also have no input into whom the Steelers draft/sign in free agency/drop/sit/start and yet we talk about all of those things non stop throughout the year incessantly.
This is no different.
We all love the Steelers.
Something happened that's altered their roster.
We're speculating / hoping / wishing / what happens next for the team and their decisions to fill this void on the roster.
It has nothing to do with being crass or heartless.
I'm assuming most, if not all, of us on this board don't know Dwayne personally.
So we can only say "Our hearts go out to his family, friends, and teammates."
His death does not have the same effect on us as it does the above mentioned.
If this exact same situation played out on any of the other 31 teams, that question about the roster probably isn't posted on this messageboard. But I guarantee it would be on whichever of the other ones that it might have been.
Because a Ravens fan doesn't care about our 2nd/3rd string QB. Much like we don't care about theirs.
I'm not trying to make light of Dwayne's death. It's tragic and I feel bad for all that suffered that personal loss in their life.
But that's not any of us on this board and most of us went about our day and/or went on to the next news story.
It's perspective and having no ego.
If I die today, NOBODY on this board would know or care. People die every day on this planet. We collectively don't know 99% of them.
But because Dwayne's "famous" or because he plays for my favorite team, it has some life altering effect on me and my daily activities?
I'm not trying to sound as callous as this is coming across, but I just found it unfair to attack someone for asking a legitimate question in a very respectful way.

Exactly. While his death was a tragedy for all concerned, with all due respect he was our 3rd string QB and won't affect the team much at all other than they will draft or sign a FA to be the 3rd stringer. Like I said earlier, if the Browns hadn't signed him already they simply would have given Dobbs another contract.

 

[TDX27]

I wasn't going to chime in here but the Steelers were back to business yesterday even though it was definitely a very difficult day. They now find themselves needing 2 QB's before the start of camp if prior years are any indication. I think the tragedy with Haskins will make them look to draft a QB at some point. I still hope they don't reach in the 1st and end up taking the best DL available. But, in round 2, they could take a QB at 52 or even trade up to get one they still like if they are there. They would have to trade away a pick from next year to move up as we really don't have any picks to give away this year. I can definitely see that happening now. I also definitely see them drafting a QB at some point now and then picking up someone from FA.

 

[Litos]

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I wasn't going to chime in here but the Steelers were back to business yesterday even though it was definitely a very difficult day. They now find themselves needing 2 QB's before the start of camp if prior years are any indication. I think the tragedy with Haskins will make them look to draft a QB at some point. I still hope they don't reach in the 1st and end up taking the best DL available. But, in round 2, they could take a QB at 52 or even trade up to get one they still like if they are there. They would have to trade away a pick from next year to move up as we really don't have any picks to give away this year. I can definitely see that happening now. I also definitely see them drafting a QB at some point now and then picking up someone from FA

That would eliminate any chance to trade up next season for a true #1 prospect

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I wasn't going to chime in here but the Steelers were back to business yesterday even though it was definitely a very difficult day. They now find themselves needing 2 QB's before the start of camp if prior years are any indication. I think the tragedy with Haskins will make them look to draft a QB at some point. I still hope they don't reach in the 1st and end up taking the best DL available. But, in round 2, they could take a QB at 52 or even trade up to get one they still like if they are there. They would have to trade away a pick from next year to move up as we really don't have any picks to give away this year. I can definitely see that happening now. I also definitely see them drafting a QB at some point now and then picking up someone from FA.

They have two decent QB’s already. Unless Pickett or somebody good is still there then it’s doubtful they use a high pick on a QB.