How to fix this offense and team

[slashsteel]

5. Fire Mike Tomlin and his entire staff at seasons end.

Winner chicken dinner!

 

[Chicoman]

1.) Fire Matt Canada and hire a legit OC with credentials.....Jon Gruden or someone similar
2.) Fire Teryl Austin
3.) Draft a LT or RT and move Jones to LT
4.) Draft ILB
5.) Draft Center
6.) Give Kenny Pickett 1 more season under a new OC then make the decision to keep or release

 

[madinsomniac]

1. Move Jones to LT and have Chuks and Moore fight it for RT.
2. Start Jaylen Warren.
3. Target Pickend 8+ times a game.
4. Last but not least start Rudolph. We know what Mitch is and we have all seen enough of Pickett to see where that train is heading. Give Mason a try. If he can’t muster more than 93 yards vs the Browns or 170 yards and 0.6 touchdowns a game so be it. But right now the quarterback is holding us back.

I like Rudolph, but if you started him, he would get sacked until he broke himself in this Offense… he doesn’t have the release speed of Ben and doesn’t have the mobility of Pickett or Trubisky…

 

[Sarge]

1.) Fire Matt Canada and hire a legit OC with credentials.....Jon Gruden or someone similar

6.) Give Kenny Pickett 1 more season under a new OC then make the decision to keep or release

In my opinion, neither of those things will make a difference if Mike Tomlin is still the head coach. Like many others, I am convinced this is his offensive philosophy we watch every week. Speaking for myself, I'm hoping people start talking.

There is a lot of organizational rot with the Pittsburgh Steelers. A lot of outdated philosophies. Sure, you can beat teams that are more hapless than you are. But the NFL is about winning championships, and the Steelers haven't sniffed one in over a decade. Haven't won a playoff game in nearly as long. There isn't another owner in this league that would accept this level of incompetence.

 

[fedderone]

1. Move Jones to LT and have Chuks and Moore fight it for RT.
2. Start Jaylen Warren.
3. Target Pickend 8+ times a game.
4. Last but not least start Rudolph. We know what Mitch is and we have all seen enough of Pickett to see where that train is heading. Give Mason a try. If he can’t muster more than 93 yards vs the Browns or 170 yards and 0.6 touchdowns a game so be it. But right now the quarterback is holding us back.

I would love to see ALL of that. I think you're on to something.
But let's say they do ALL of this.
We still have Moe, Larry, and Curly running everything.
FOL!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Superman]

this offense wouldnt run for **** if you had Ben, Bettis, the early 2000s line with Ward, Stallworth and Swann at WR.
the scheme sucks because the coaching strategy sucks

yes, Kenny gets mentally ****** up when teams run zone and that is something a GOOD OC and QB coach would acknowledge and fix. Yet we keep trying to do the wrong thing and hope for success.

if the Defense wasn't good, we'd be looking at 4-6 at best. We simply cannot continue producing minimal offensive yards, and pushing the defense out onto the field.

Tomlin has said that Moore is better at LT than he is at RT. Obviously Jones is quite adept at either position. I'd offer that we might fare better with Moore at LG, Jones at LT and Chuks back at RT with a new and cerebral OC. But we know that's not going to happen.

is it time to pull the plug on Kenny? It could be if he cant figure out how to move the ball against a zone defense. There is a real nice crop of QBs in the next draft, but under Canada, would any of them be worth a ****?

 

[madinsomniac]

In my opinion, neither of those things will make a difference if Mike Tomlin is still the head coach. Like many others, I am convinced this is his offensive philosophy we watch every week. Speaking for myself, I'm hoping people start talking.

There is a lot of organizational rot with the Pittsburgh Steelers. A lot of outdated philosophies. Sure, you can beat teams that are more hapless than you are. But the NFL is about winning championships, and the Steelers haven't sniffed one in over a decade. Haven't won a playoff game in nearly as long. There isn't another owner in this league that would accept this level of incompetence.

Ford is one of many who simply wants it all to be Picketts fault… and some may be… but pickett didn’t call like 33 pass plays to just 24 runs (a couple pickett runs were scrambles off of pass plays) and he certainly didn’t limit Warren to 9 carries

If you listen to Harris’s rant… he specifically calls out how the other team constantly knows exactly what they are doing and sits on it.
The Wrs that come open aren’t ever the targets. The blocking schemes are idiotic at times…

So people can keep on just blaming the QB.. I’m sure replacing him will fix all the rest of that… i mean Ben being done was tge problem before that and Rudolph was tge issue before that… oh yeah and Mitch.. yep him looking horrendous..

We should actually just trade for Purdy and Stroud… we could definitely ruin both of their careers in a year or less… lets just keep trying qbs until we find a new Ben in his prime… one who doesn’t need a line or good wr routes to create offense….

I personally wish that we should just trade all the players but keep the staff intact, so when every player looks better elsewhere but we still look exactly the same with all new guys, those chuckleheads in the media can eat a dick with their “execute better” bullshit and blame tge right problems… then maybe, just maybe, we can rebuild under a new staff within a decade…

 

[FordFairLane]

I like Rudolph, but if you started him, he would get sacked until he broke himself in this Offense… he doesn’t have the release speed of Ben and doesn’t have the mobility of Pickett or Trubisky…

But he also will step up into the pocket which Kenny struggles with. He would get rid of the ball quicker which Kenny struggles to do. And when the line does block well he’d push the ball vertical which Kenny fails to do.

I really don’t know how much better the offense would be under him but I do know it doesn’t have to be a lot better and we would be able to put some of these inferior teams away.

 

[DesertSteel]

I agree with your list. All of it is doable. Those saying fire Canada/Tomlin know that it won't happen. Canada at the end of the year (maybe) and Tomlin never. The big change is benching Pickett, which is needed. At this point Rudy is the guy to call in to see if he has a spark. BUT......... what we all know is that Tomlin will ride with Pickett just like he does with Canada. That way he gets all the credit when they win.

 

[FordFairLane]

I would love to see ALL of that. I think you're on to something.
But let's say they do ALL of this.
We still have Moe, Larry, and Curly running everything.
FOL!!!!!!!!!!

I have been critical of Tomlin since we lost to Tim Tebow in the playoffs in 2012. I was literally the very first person on this board that was critical of Matt Canada back in September of 2021. I have said for over a decade that Art Rooney II couldn’t carry Dan’s underwear in terms of being a good owner.
With all of that said this running game with if Warren lead the team in touches, give Najee his fair share up the middle, if we had anything in terms of passing we win yesterday and we walk into the playoffs with ease. Perhaps even push Baltimore for the AFC North title. But even with the vanilla and basic Matt Canada offense the game is just too fast for Kenny. He misses open receivers. He’s inaccurate. The only thing he gives us is few interceptions. That’s great. But I would take more interceptions if it meant we had more than 6 f_____ing passing touchdowns after 10 games. So no the entire blame doesn’t lie on Pickett. But his play cannot be ignored just because he went to Pitt.

 

[t-man]

Canada sucks but it doesn’t change the fact there’s open guys being missed. With Warren starting and Najee being the thunder to Warren’s lightning I don’t think we need a lot from the QB. 220 yards and 2tds a game and we win almost every game. 200 and 2/1 and we win 80% of the games. We don’t need Roethlisberger in his prime. We need Neil O’Donnell.

If you think after watching Warren shove guys to the ground and run over them that Harris is "thunder" you're not watching the same sport I am.

Joe

 

[FordFairLane]

Ford is one of many who simply wants it all to be Picketts fault… and some may be… but pickett didn’t call like 33 pass plays to just 24 runs (a couple pickett runs were scrambles off of pass plays) and he certainly didn’t limit Warren to 9 carries

If you listen to Harris’s rant… he specifically calls out how the other team constantly knows exactly what they are doing and sits on it.
The Wrs that come open aren’t ever the targets. The blocking schemes are idiotic at times…

So people can keep on just blaming the QB.. I’m sure replacing him will fix all the rest of that… i mean Ben being done was tge problem before that and Rudolph was tge issue before that… oh yeah and Mitch.. yep him looking horrendous..

We should actually just trade for Purdy and Stroud… we could definitely ruin both of their careers in a year or less… lets just keep trying qbs until we find a new Ben in his prime… one who doesn’t need a line or good wr routes to create offense….

I personally wish that we should just trade all the players but keep the staff intact, so when every player looks better elsewhere but we still look exactly the same with all new guys, those chuckleheads in the media can eat a dick with their “execute better” bullshit and blame tge right problems… then maybe, just maybe, we can rebuild under a new staff within a decade…

I was the first on this board critical of Canada. His offense sucks. But if we had any performance from the quarterback position we’d be 10 spots higher in the NFL passing stats. Not that that would be good enough to save Canada’s job but could enough to win yesterday, maybe against the Jags and not be embarrassed by the Texans and 49ers. Kenny is to blame from taking this offense and turning it into .

And in Zone the guy who is targeted completely depends on the soft spot in the zone coverage. You can’t blame Canada and Sullivan for that. They can’t tell Kenny who to throw to during the game. He has to recognize where that hole is and who to throw to. That is where Rudolph has the advantage. Even though Roethlisberger hated Mason I have heard Ben many times say that Mason is a very smart QB. And at this moment we need a spark. And even though it’s likely a short term solution for 2023 at least we can try to be competitive and get to the playoffs. Anything can happen once you are in.

 

[FordFairLane]

If you think after watching Warren shove guys to the ground and run over them that Harris is "thunder" you're not watching the same sport I am.

Joe

Comparative speaking, yes. Warren has big play ability and Najee does not. Warren is more like a bowling ball but once loose he can get that big play. Najee is just a wrecking ball.

 

[CoolieMan]

I was the first on this board critical of Canada. His offense sucks. But if we had any performance from the quarterback position we’d be 10 spots higher in the NFL passing stats. Not that that would be good enough to save Canada’s job but could enough to win yesterday, maybe against the Jags and not be embarrassed by the Texans and 49ers. Kenny is to blame from taking this offense and turning it into .

And in Zone the guy who is targeted completely depends on the soft spot in the zone coverage. You can’t blame Canada and Sullivan for that. They can’t tell Kenny who to throw to during the game. He has to recognize where that hole is and who to throw to. That is where Rudolph has the advantage. Even though Roethlisberger hated Mason I have heard Ben many times say that Mason is a very smart QB. And at this moment we need a spark. And even though it’s likely a short term solution for 2023 at least we can try to be competitive and get to the playoffs. Anything can happen once you are in.

ok coach

I don't know if this is true or not but plenty of folks have been critical of canada from the beginning

 

[SteelerSask2]

It's a modern league that totally favors the teams with big offenses. Anything that doesn't involve modernization of the coaches with the HC responsible for calling offense is a band aid on a bleeding injury. Tge team has to move beyond this facade.

 

[FordFairLane]

I agree with your list. All of it is doable. Those saying fire Canada/Tomlin know that it won't happen. Canada at the end of the year (maybe) and Tomlin never. The big change is benching Pickett, which is needed. At this point Rudy is the guy to call in to see if he has a spark. BUT......... what we all know is that Tomlin will ride with Pickett just like he does with Canada. That way he gets all the credit when they win.

Yep. Art will not fire Canada midseason. Best we can hope for is he moves to QB coach and Sullivan takes over play calling duties. Tomlin will be here until Art is gone. His political and social views are more important than winning. Rudolph might not be great but if he can just do what he has shown before we’d at least have a passing touchdown or two a game. That’s all we really need to be competitive.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I’ll endorse putting any QB in there that will pretend his helmet isn’t working (all damn game) and just call his own plays just to make Canada’s head explode

Damn the torpedoes, the headset is broke…fire it down the field (over the middle) like there’s no tomorrow

If we’re gonna suck let’s at least be interesting doing it

 

[FordFairLane]

ok coach

I don't know if this is true or not but plenty of folks have been critical of canada from the beginning

https://www.steelernation.com/forums/threads/offensive-problem-summed-up-in-one-sentence.38610/page-3#post-851448

I say it how I see it. Been saying it since the very beginning. Canada’s offense isn’t better than Fichtner, Fichtner offense wasn’t better than Haley and the one common denominator of all if it is Tomlin.

 

[TDX27]

I think if you bring in a new OC , Tomlin will tell him hey this is how I want to approach the offense, this is the scheme I want run.

You can shuffle QBs and shuffle OCs. Does that really change anything?

That is the fear on both sides of the ball. I do believe the dink and dunk they've been doing and ignoring the middle of the field is coming straight from Tomlin. Canaduh still sucks but Tomlin has his grubby mits all in there.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

This team has both personnel and management issues, the question is are the management issues causing the personnel issues?

Because MT won't be going anywhere until it's of his choosing, rejoice in yet another non-losing season. Even if Canada gets shown the door, his clone will simply slide into
place and follow MT's offensive philosophy.

Unless Art II tells Tomlin that Omar and Andy will pick the assistants and he is to keep his hands out of their decision making process, nothing changes and we will all continue to argue if it's the players or the coaches.

 

[Shane Falco]

I watched the game last night on DVR. Looking forward to the all 22. When I see a QB miss open receivers on route, I want to think it’s the receiver in the wrong. Quite a few times Kenny wasn’t close to open receivers. Did Dionte quit on the go route or did Pickett just throw the wrong route? Seeing it happen more than once makes me really feel Pickett isn’t communicating with his receivers. Pickett looks lost. It may be time to start working down the depth chart. I see many calling for Rudolph, the same ones who were ready to run him out of town in 2019 and after the Detroit tie.

 

[FordFairLane]

It's a modern league that totally favors the teams with big offenses. Anything that doesn't involve modernization of the coaches with the HC responsible for calling offense is a band aid on a bleeding injury. Tge team has to move beyond this facade.

Yep. Rudolph likely is just a band-aid. Canada is all but certainly not getting a new contract. Tomlin will be here until Art retires. So get ready for the same offense next year and a new scapegoat for the masses to blame.

 

[diver]

I remember getting so mad on occasion at Ben when it's be 3 and 4 or something and he'd throw the long ball and they wouldn't pick up the first. Just throw the easy pass and get the first, I'd yell.

I long for those days.

 

[FordFairLane]

I watched the game last night on DVR. Looking forward to the all 22. When I see a QB miss open receivers on route, I want to think it’s the receiver in the wrong. Quite a few times Kenny wasn’t close to open receivers. Did Dionte quit on the go route or did Pickett just throw the wrong route? Seeing it happen more than once makes me really feel Pickett isn’t communicating with his receivers. Pickett looks lost. It may be time to start working down the depth chart. I see many calling for Rudolph, the same ones who were ready to run him out of town in 2019 and after the Detroit tie.

I can show you the exact play that Steeler nation gave up on Rudolph in that game. Again, Diontae and Mason weren’t on the same page. DJ stopped his route while Mason threw where he thought DJ was going to continue to go. Mason was right and if DJ continues he converts 3rd and 3 and has one guy to beat for a TD but at very least puts us into FG range. Instead DJ and Freiermuth both fumbled to put the game away. But because it was the lowly Lions everyone blamed Mason. Rewatch this game if you have time and tell me how bad Mason looked after seeing Kenny in this offense. It’s funny how perspective can change. There was a big difference in the drop from Ben to Rudolph. But looking at Rudolph compared to Pickett, all of a sudden Rudy doesn’t look so bad. Skip to 12:13 if you want to see the throw to DJ that DJ stopped his route for no reason. But if you have 20 minutes watch the whole thing. Then think about what we have seen from Kenny.

 

[SteveA]

Stats tell the story, correct? If so, then here is who Mason Rudolph is after playing in 17 games and starting 10 of them. If you see something even really good in there ... Well, I'd say you're an optimist.
https://www.steelers.com/team/players-roster/mason-rudolph/

But this doesn't allow for growth in an individual....Tired of seeing KP do absolutely nothing for 10 straight first halves...

At least I KNOW RUDOLPH can sling the football. We need a gunslinger and I believe Rudy would at least try to seize his opportunity...

I am now officially on the Rudy bandwagon...IT CANNOT BE WORSE THAN WHAT I HAVE SEEN FROM HAPPY FEET