How to fix this offense and team

[ianv2012]

I think we should bench Terry Bradshaw and put in Gilliam

 

[Shane Falco]

I can show you the exact play that Steeler nation gave up on Rudolph in that game. Again, Diontae and Mason weren’t on the same page. DJ stopped his route while Mason threw where he thought DJ was going to continue to go. Mason was right and if DJ continues he converts 3rd and 3 and has one guy to beat for a TD but at very least puts us into FG range. Instead DJ and Freiermuth both fumbled to put the game away. But because it was the lowly Lions everyone blamed Mason. Rewatch this game if you have time and tell me how bad Mason looked after seeing Kenny in this offense. It’s funny how perspective can change. There was a big difference in the drop from Ben to Rudolph. But looking at Rudolph compared to Pickett, all of a sudden Rudy doesn’t look so bad. Skip to 12:13 if you want to see the throw to DJ that DJ stopped his route for no reason. But if you have 20 minutes watch the whole thing. Then think about what we have seen from Kenny.

I thought Rudy was ok in the game. The thing I noticed about Rudolph-and this goes to 2019 as well, once he gets frustrated he fades. As far as Dionte-I remember him during that game, and quite a few other games (vs the Jets last year) he just seems to give up on plays and just becomes disinterested.
I think the lockerroom dust up between Dionte and Mitch was more of Mitch calling out Johnson and being frustrated with him after he put some passes right in his chest (the last one leading to the interception).
There are a lot of layers to this onion for sure. Is it all Canada? He is not blameless. In his defense, the running game is once again improved.
Tomlin needs to take a long look at Pickett and the film this week and put Kenny on a short leash. Not for turnovers, he has been doing a good job at taking care of the football. If he goes into the locker room at half time with under 50 yards of passing again, it’s time to turn to back to Trubisky, then see what you want to do the next few games. Rudy can’t come in during a game unless both Pickett and Mitch are hurt.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I thought Rudy was ok in the game. The thing I noticed about Rudolph-and this goes to 2019 as well, once he gets frustrated he fades. As far as Dionte-I remember him during that game, and quite a few other games (vs the Jets last year) he just seems to give up on plays and just becomes disinterested.
I think the lockerroom dust up between Dionte and Mitch was more of Mitch calling out Johnson and being frustrated with him after he put some passes right in his chest (the last one leading to the interception).
There are a lot of layers to this onion for sure. Is it all Canada? He is not blameless. In his defense, the running game is once again improved.
Tomlin needs to take a long look at Pickett and the film this week and put Kenny on a short leash. Not for turnovers, he has been doing a good job at taking care of the football. If he goes into the locker room at half time with under 50 yards of passing again, it’s time to turn to back to Trubisky, then see what you want to do the next few games. Rudy can’t come in during a game unless both Pickett and Mitch are hurt.

Suit up all three QBs and move O'Canada to the IR.!


Salute the nation

 

[FordFairLane]

I thought Rudy was ok in the game. The thing I noticed about Rudolph-and this goes to 2019 as well, once he gets frustrated he fades. As far as Dionte-I remember him during that game, and quite a few other games (vs the Jets last year) he just seems to give up on plays and just becomes disinterested.
I think the lockerroom dust up between Dionte and Mitch was more of Mitch calling out Johnson and being frustrated with him after he put some passes right in his chest (the last one leading to the interception).
There are a lot of layers to this onion for sure. Is it all Canada? He is not blameless. In his defense, the running game is once again improved.
Tomlin needs to take a long look at Pickett and the film this week and put Kenny on a short leash. Not for turnovers, he has been doing a good job at taking care of the football. If he goes into the locker room at half time with under 50 yards of passing again, it’s time to turn to back to Trubisky, then see what you want to do the next few games. Rudy can’t come in during a game unless both Pickett and Mitch are hurt.

I’m saying either move Mitch or Kenny to emergency QB. Actually rewatching the Lions game I found another play where the receiver and Mason weren’t on the same page.

https://yourimageshare.com/ib/Q34IRwaQo0

https://yourimageshare.com/ib/UloPUY1sEO

Looks like Rudy thought Ray-Ray was going to sit and Rudolph threw to where Ray-Ray was but Ray-Ray turned up to the end zone. That game was the game where Ben tested positive for Covid on like Friday so Rudy had limited reps with the first team. But right now if we could get 242 1/1 a game I would take it.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Th

Yep. Rudolph likely is just a band-aid. Canada is all but certainly not getting a new contract. Tomlin will be here until Art retires. So get ready for the same offense next year and a new scapegoat for the masses to blame.

There are clearly two camps emerging. Kill Kenny and Blame . Clearly Kenny has taken step back. In my opinion he is gripping it too tight trying not to make a mistake. That's coming from above him. He needs to run 3-5 times a game loosen it up and just play. I'd rather lose and see him really develop then this **** hole.

 

[madinsomniac]

Against the Browns, Brock Purdy, whom I know people here love, looked way worse than Pickett did in either Browns game.
He threw for 125 yards on 12/27 attempts with a td and a pick. The very first drive of the game the 9rs ran down to the 13 yard line and purdy threw a short pass to McCaffery who got into tge end zone. After that most of their possessions were 3-out.
That first drive Purdy was 1-1 13yards 1 td
After that he was 11-26 for 112 yards 1int…
… of those 112 yards, 40 of them came on the final drive, after a 7 yard ticky tack PI saved the 9rs from a 4th and 10 after three Purdy misses..
for the day he had a 44% completion percentage…
He averaged 4.6 yards per attempt. His throws averaged 3.7 yards in the air…
Cleveland has destroyed passers this year.

If you put Mason Rudolph in that game last night, we lose by double digits…pickett runs too much, but that Oline gives him little reason not to most plays…

I guarantee you Mason either takes a huge hit and fumbles or tries to force something quick and throws a bad pick…

Nobody can stand in there and take 10 or 15 slobberknockers a game… and for him to be effective, he would have to…

I like Mason, but he doesn’t fit the offensive philosophy we want to use… I am almost certain nobody does… but at least using a guy like Pickett or Mitch isn’t borderline criminal homicide

 

[madinsomniac]

Th
There are clearly two camps emerging. Kill Kenny and Blame . Clearly Kenny has taken step back. In my opinion he is gripping it too tight trying not to make a mistake. That's coming from above him. He needs to run 3-5 times a game loosen it up and just play. I'd rather lose and see him really develop then this **** hole.

There should be one camp… Fire Tomlin.. all the rest is just yinzer noise

 

[SteelerSask2]

There should be one camp… Fire Tomlin.. all the rest is just yinzer noise

I'd put that in the Blame Canada and agree.

 

[FordFairLane]

Th
There are clearly two camps emerging. Kill Kenny and Blame . Clearly Kenny has taken step back. In my opinion he is gripping it too tight trying not to make a mistake. That's coming from above him. He needs to run 3-5 times a game loosen it up and just play. I'd rather lose and see him really develop then this **** hole.

Im on the Kenny isn’t anything better than a game manager and Canada’s offense is as Vanilla as Robert Van Winkle camp.

 

[madinsomniac]

I'd put that in the Blame Canada and agree.

I mean, I’ve argued for a couple years now that Canada’s and Fitchners O are moth just micromanagement Mike’s O … i mean Canada used fullbacks in his O… and he ran more than passed… this is just the fitchner O with more motion and occasional jet sweeps.

This is “ i don’t give one **** about what you do, but you best not throw a pick under any circumstances” stuff.. it’s early Neil odonnell without the run game to prop it up

 

[SteelerSask2]

I mean, I’ve argued for a couple years now that Canada’s and Fitchners O are moth just micromanagement Mike’s O … i mean Canada used fullbacks in his O… and he ran more than passed… this is just the fitchner O with more motion and occasional jet sweeps.

This is “ i don’t give one **** about what you do, but you best not throw a pick under any circumstances” stuff.. it’s early Neil odonnell without the run game to prop it up

You can hide a qb and win these kinda games. You cannot win anything real. That's where me and Tomlin differ and you are stunting his growth and will be backed in corner when it's time to decide financial future.

 

[jitter77]

If we bring in a new OC, DC I don't think it will matter because they will follow tomlins plan. Unless Rooney tells Tomlin to keep his hands off. We do the same thing over and over and over. On another team the HC would take over playcalling or have fired the OC. This is why i think the offense is being run how Tomlin wants it. Even with the D there is not much difference between Austin and Butler so what does that tell you.

 

[flyhatch]

We have had offensive struggles over the years.
But never for this long. Its like 3 years of complex justification.
Ben
He was old,not the right fit for this new offense,wait till kenny gets here,other players are needed to make this work,its gonna take time, back ups are playing cant expect much.
Dropped passes, running backwords,not hitting open players, backs not hitting the right holes.missing usb cords ect...
Players have changed what hasn't?
Coaches.
I could see if we had non stop drops from wide open receivers and missed running lanes. I dont see much other than plays that didnt really have a chance. The yards these guys are getting are hard earned..
If we played the number 1 defense every week that might explain things but we are getting are butts kicked by rookies and 3nd and third stringers that have a real coach

 

[FordFairLane]

Against the Browns, Brock Purdy, whom I know people here love, looked way worse than Pickett did in either Browns game.
He threw for 125 yards on 12/27 attempts with a td and a pick. The very first drive of the game the 9rs ran down to the 13 yard line and purdy threw a short pass to McCaffery who got into tge end zone. After that most of their possessions were 3-out.
That first drive Purdy was 1-1 13yards 1 td
After that he was 11-26 for 112 yards 1int…
… of those 112 yards, 40 of them came on the final drive, after a 7 yard ticky tack PI saved the 9rs from a 4th and 10 after three Purdy misses..
for the day he had a 44% completion percentage…
He averaged 4.6 yards per attempt. His throws averaged 3.7 yards in the air…
Cleveland has destroyed passers this year.

If you put Mason Rudolph in that game last night, we lose by double digits…pickett runs too much, but that Oline gives him little reason not to most plays…

I guarantee you Mason either takes a huge hit and fumbles or tries to force something quick and throws a bad pick…

Nobody can stand in there and take 10 or 15 slobberknockers a game… and for him to be effective, he would have to…

I like Mason, but he doesn’t fit the offensive philosophy we want to use… I am almost certain nobody does… but at least using a guy like Pickett or Mitch isn’t borderline criminal homicide

I think you are forgetting the 64 yards more rushing we had and the 60 less penalty yards we had. Brock had a bad game for him but he also had a much better game than Pickett. He also had to deal with no running game because CMC got hurt in the 3rd quarter. The 49ers 10-7 lead turned into a 17-19 loss. Kenny hasn’t thrown a touchdown since November 2nd and counting.

This offense isn’t the RPO system I think we thought it was going to be. Mason fits just as much if not more than Mitch and Kenny. It’s a pocket passing system. Maybe Rudy doesn’t do any better. That’s a very real possibility. BUT could he do much worse? I mean 172 yards and 0.6 touchdowns a game and a historic low of a 1.4% touchdown percentage. Literally and by far the worst touchdown percentage in the history of the nfl. Gary Huff has the second worst at 2.03%. That’s 50% better than Pickett.

And what about Jacksonville? Brock went for 73.1% 296 yards 3/0 148.9 QB rating. What did Kenny do vs them?

 

[maowv]

1. Move Jones to LT and have Chuks and Moore fight it for RT.
2. Start Jaylen Warren.
3. Target Pickend 8+ times a game.
4. Last but not least start Rudolph. We know what Mitch is and we have all seen enough of Pickett to see where that train is heading. Give Mason a try. If he can’t muster more than 93 yards vs the Browns or 170 yards and 0.6 touchdowns a game so be it. But right now the quarterback is holding us back.

I can't determine how much of this is on KP and how much is on the OC, but suspect it's a healthy does of both.

Having said that, during the season Rudolph started, I don't remember him being as bad as what we've seen the past few games. Rudolph wasn't good but KP was just flat out terrible yesterday and it wasn't the first time.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

you can **** on him all you want and call rudolph ,, names. He has a point.. IF everything else Tomlin/Canada are going to stay the same till seasons end.. THen yes,, put Mason in .

 

[slashsteel]

ok coach

I don't know if this is true or not but plenty of folks have been critical of canada from the beginning

Worse than coach but yes. At least cooch doesn't flood thread to thread with his nonsense anymore. Less is more with these two.

 

[slashsteel]

you can **** on him all you want and call rudolph ,, names. He has a point.. IF everything else Tomlin/Canada are going to stay the same till seasons end.. THen yes,, put Mason in .

Rudy will not get you more wins he would turn the ball over and get himself killed out there. Just not mobile enough behind that O-line scheme. The guy has no point he has tunnel vision. There is no attractive options behind Kenny. There just isn't. He really is just called a third stringer , what is wrong with that? That is all he is and he will never be more than a backup. A not a very good one at that. That rocket scientist at least has mobility to get him out of trouble. Rudy was injured trying to show what he had. Which really wasn't much. That is what would happen again if you started him. Less wins. The old fan notion of try option C isn't realistic in a broken offense. Hell Kenny is mobile and almost gets killed behind the inept offense, put an immobile QB in and you are sending him to the North Pole early.

 

[FordFairLane]

you can **** on him all you want and call rudolph ,, names. He has a point.. IF everything else Tomlin/Canada are going to stay the same till seasons end.. THen yes,, put Mason in .

Yep, all the childish remarks about Rudolph and calling him names. “Rudolph the rednosed quarterback is mad because they won’t let him play.” And those same ignoramuses were lapping up the Pickett hype. They get mad and throw their little temper tantrums when you point out their stupidity. Now all I ever said about Rudolph is he really didn’t get a chance and we really don’t know what his ceiling is. His floor is a guy who will throw more touchdowns than interceptions and in his last two starts, one in 2020 and one in 2021, he threw for 315 and 242 with 3 touchdowns to 2 interceptions. Nothing great but considering one was vs Browns starters with a lot of Steelers backups. And Cleveland was playing for the playoffs and Steelers had nothing to gain. And one was when Roethlisberger had covid and Rudolph was thrust into the starting lineup. Not bad considering the circumstances.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Rudy will not get you more wins he would turn the ball over and get himself killed out there. Just not mobile enough behind that O-line scheme. The guy has no point he has tunnel vision. There is no attractive options behind Kenny. There just isn't. He really is just called a third stringer , what is wrong with that? That is all he is and he will never be more than a backup. A not a very good one at that. That rocket scientist at least has mobility to get him out of trouble. Rudy was injured trying to show what he had. Which really wasn't much. That is what would happen again if you started him. Less wins. The old fan notion of try option C isn't realistic in a broken offense. Hell Kenny is mobile and almost gets killed behind the inept offense, put an immobile QB in and you are sending him to the North Pole early.

i Disagree.

 

[slashsteel]

i Disagree.

It is easier to disagree in regards to bench warmers. As you think anything can be better.

Then when he is in there it is oh **** what was I thinking.

Cleveland is a great example of rotating QBs, our team should follow their lead.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

It is easier to disagree in regards to bench warmers. As you think anything can be better.

Then when he is in there it is oh **** what was I thinking.

Cleveland is a great example of rotating QBs, our team should follow their lead.

nah, i watch the same games you have.

 

[FordFairLane]

i Disagree.

Kenny Pickett’s long runs are 11 & 10. Rudolph’s are 26 & 13. Only someone who knows absolutely nothing about football would think Mason is incapable of escaping a sack.

 

[slashsteel]

nah, i watch the same games you have.

True you do. But there is a reason he is third on the depth chart. What I watched aligns with that.

 

[slashsteel]

Kenny Pickett’s long runs are 11 & 10. Rudolph’s are 26 & 13. Only someone who knows absolutely nothing about football would think Mason is incapable of escaping a sack.

Only someone who knows nothing about football would watch the games and think a change of QBs from the first string to the third string would fix this offense.

Mason had his opportunity to start and failed.

You again are a legend in your mind only.