Initial Thoughts on Chiefs Game
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Tomlin is a good coach and a great representative for the team and city. But the team has been stagnant for nearly a decade and after the latest collapse has shown no signs of stepping forward. An underachieving defense has become the new norm with an offense that looks dysfunctional far too often when you compare them to other playoff teams. Oddly enough, falling apart and heading to Houston may be the best case scenario. Very similar to the Steelers getting handled by the Ravens and Chiefs, a recent loss to the Titans, and a close win over the Jags.
I get irritated when posters whole purpose here is to bash Tomlin over and over and over and post as if they are smarter football minds than he is.
I think he is a good coach, I think he is a smart guy
I think he might someday win again if he stayed
But I posted several times the past couple of years that he should have already been given the boot. too many coordinators have come and gone for there not to be an issue higher up
He would definitely get hired elsewhere and then be their problem
Fair. Anything is possible but I do not see how in the course of this three year deal any way possible he could win another. I really do not. And I'm reasonably open about it. If they performed like they did on that week 5- Ravens game reasonably consistently he couod earn another shot in my mind to put together that team. Again I do not see how they will. Injuries always set in and they flounder every single year. You watch the rerun enough times it becomes time for a different show.
I also think you hit on it. Assistants. Number one I think you need to be coordinator of something preferably offense. So you are the top ten in league continuity. But after that this man just doesn't attract quality coaching talent. Just does not.
Sometimes I wish Tomlin were coaching 9-man football in Alaska somewhere near the Bering Strait.
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Although many want Tomlin gone I'm not going down that hole. He's going no where. I think Rooney and Khan will pressure him to hire a capable DC.
Our OL is fine for the most part. If Daniels and Fautanu wouldn't have been lost for the season it would have been a different story this year. A lot of new parts and like I said the young guys wore down.
Most of the post 2007 issues you mentioned were after Cowher left and Colbert took control. Khan has changed that direction the past couple of years and I believe will continue to do so.
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This is what gets me with this team right now. We all knew Canada wasn't it and they kept him too long. Last year was another failed season and they needed to clean house, yet kept Austin. What do you know, a wasted year with all that talent on defense. Imagine if they had a great scheme along with all that talent. This defense should dominate teams and they don't unless Watt wins his individual battles.
A good offensive line coach would have this unit working really well right now. Coaching still matters and it's not good enough, especially when they have so much invested in the offensive line.
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I'm unsure if it's Tomlin doesn't attract or doesn't seek quality assistants. I think the latter. Either way the result has been the same over his tenure. I get the feeling he will have quality at DC next season. If not it has to be time for change.
Well he certainly is not in the inner circle of the new blood of innovative coaches. And his track record of his guys moving on to better things can't get a go cart on it. Add on the fact that the organization would rather spend all the money on keeping Mr. Mediocre well fed then paying the assistants. I'm thinking even if he wanted great assistants he ain't getting. Lately retread failed HCs and personal friends that recruited his son that he owes favour's too.
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I think he doesn't seek quality assistants, but he has had some over the years. Arthur Smith gets mixed reviews, but he was a former head coach and recognized as a pretty good hire.
If I had to rank his coordinators in terms of scheme/innovation/league-wide respect.
1. Bruce Arians - QBs love him, but his QBs got beat up and the change was overdue. Either way, you have to respect his ability as an offensive mind.
2. Todd Haley
3. Arthur Smith
4. Randy Fichnter - guarantee he would not get another NFL OC job if not for the Steelers...he hasn't coached since
5. Matt Canada - had zero business getting an NFL OC job and zero chance another NFL team (or major P4 college team) would hire him as an OC
1. Dick LeBeau
2. Keith Butler
3. Teryl Austin - decent stint in Detroit before struggling with Cincinnati; looks good against the bad QBs in Pittsburgh, but awful against the league's best QBs (other than Lamar)
So when I look at that list. Arians, Lebeau and Butler were all Cowher leftovers. Tomlin was very young with a hugely talented team and either he or someone in the ownership had the foresight to not throw the baby out with the bath water. Todd Haley was good x and o and zero credibility having never played the game at all and otherwise a dickface. Everyone else on that list either blows or jury out on blowing (Smith)
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Austin defense looks decent against bad to mediocre offenses because we can depend on simply winning one on one matchups. Anything he has to game plan for - forget about it.
He needs to go
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You'd have to remove Tomlin too. This is his baby.
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I think Tomlin will step away within 2-3 years though so now might be the time for a quality assistant to get in the mix and have an opportunity to then be considered for the most secure HC position in all of sports. If someone reads those tea leaves working with Tomlin might become more attractive but then again he might not even consider a sharp young whiz kid.
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So his coaching development matches his player development-nonexistent
Mike is greedy and takes the whole budget
The Rooneys are cheap-very small staff & underpaid outside of Mike’s way too lofty salary.
Nepotism
Yep all that math checks out!!! Great post
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Just watched this game both the coaches tape and the game replay. Both teams sucked in mho. Steelers looked really tired. Don’t be surprised if chiefs don’t sign Harris in the off season. He just fits what they do better. He’s not an every down back and he can catch the ball better out of the backfield that we use him for. He’ll be a star there. The bad coaching has just catch up to us. Few years ago chiefs young qb shredded us said it was like playing 7 on 7. We had linebackers covering wrs it was horrible. Wasn’t much better here but the chiefs aren’t playing very good right now I think the bills are playing better. We not going anywhere this year and there is nothing to indicate we’re going anywhere next year. if I’m Mr Rooney id act quickly as if he actually knew what he was doing… which we all know he does… I’d kick Tomlin upstairs to team president so him and the gm can do a better job of focusing on football things cuz they’re both sucking at it right now. Id hire Liam Coen as HC. Try it from the offensive side for awhile. I think of all the wiz kids becoming coaches right now he’s got a better chance of becoming an all around coach but that can still call the offense. Its easier to hire defensive coaches right now. Id bring back Larry Foote to coach the defense he’s coaching with Coen at Tampa right now. GoSteelers!!
Yes feed it! Feed it! It's always hungry for more.!!
Tomlin will step away when he wins the Super Bowl. That means he will never step away.
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I’m ready for a big old plate of scapegoat
Now serving…Mr Austin
Your next Steelers DC….Dino Tomlin, can’t wait…it’s a perfect fit for the system
Problem is he grew an ego and he's stubborn. He's not great X's and O's or with any in game management really. He's a great motivator and is smart, but for him to succeed he needs his coordinators to be good and allowed to coordinate, like early in his career. There are so many examples that show he doesn't allow his coordinators to do their jobs, but so many fans and media guys just ignore.