Initial Thoughts on raven Game

[topseed]

Well, shiit. So in this case, it was the player. I agree with you, but find it interesting that you argue with me so often when I say players are more responsible for the outcome of games than the coaches. I never, ever said that Super Bowl was due to some coaching wizardry from Mike Tomlin. I have said he was the coach, and should get credit for that without any caveats. No more, no less.

Yes, in this case, it obviously was ALL the player, because Harrison ignored the defensive call and went on his own instincts. That phenomenal play the exact opposite to do with good coaching,

He WAS in the right place at the right time! So what? The Steelers were in the right place at the right time when Ben dropped to them, for example. That's part of it. I know I have said, multiple times, that doesn't mean he should be the coach now. I have been convinced of that for quite a while. You continue to confuse my contempt for certain arguments as support for Mike Tomlin remaining head coach.

You're making strides.

The way I look at it is this. In my job (not a lawyer), I have to formulate arguments many times that allow for the least amount of questioning possible, unless I am asking for input. Therefore, I try to present positions that allow for the least amount of holes to be poked in them. I know it will never happen, but let's say one of us would get called into Rooney's office and asked our opinion on if Mike Tomlin should stay or go. IMO, you have to keep it as factual as possible.
1. He hasn't won a Super Bowl since 2008.
2. He hasn't been to one since 2010.
3. He hasn't won a playoff game since 2016.
4. He hasn't built his own championship team. (I feel this is a different argument than saying he won with a Cowher team)
5. He hired, and more damning, retained Matt Canada.
6. His penchant for losing a few games each year to inferior teams record wise.

I feel it is very hard to argue with the facts of those things. What could be said in response? But if you go in there saying things like he won with a Cowher team, or he has no coaching tree, or he plays his buddies, or he doesn't discipline right, or he can't be challenged or whatever...holes can be poked into those arguments.

Oh, now I see why you have a penchant for covering your @ss in here all the time. Makes sense.

 

[topseed]

Regarding 2008 super bowl and James amazing play.
Coaches did play a part in that. Not sure if it was Tomlin. But I do recall multiple players talk about how they were coached that year on returning turnovers. If you look at thst play, pretty much all 11 players had a hand in that return. It was perfect. Without someone coaching them to do so, it probs would have been a great pic and return. But not a td as time expired.
Perfect play. Perfect on the players and great coaching

The Steelers did manage to get the quarterback blocked, as any return unit should, but the officials could have easily thrown a flag on Woodley for a block in the back. But sure, it was great coaching.

 

[BLITZ]

The Steelers did manage to get the quarterback blocked, as any return unit should, but the officials could have easily thrown a flag on Woodley for a block in the back. But sure, it was great coaching.

The play itself was awesome. Players did awesome. But coaching did play a part of it. They practiced blocking after turnovers a ton that year if I recall correctly. That was a lebuea defense still.