Injury Update
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The Rams won the SB, had an intact offense and a system that worked well enough last year to hoist a Lombardi.
Our O couldn't block for 2 seconds last year for our aging HOF QB, and we reset the line with 3 new starters and a new QB and new WRs, so yes, they are going to play more in the preseason to get some cohesiveness, even if this OL can only block for 1 sec now...
And you guys can pump the breaks on playing Najee. Tomlin doesn't force anyone to play without being cleared by the medical staff. This isn't Washington...
Also KZ came up and vacated his zone twice in Preseason game 2 to stop first downs on 3rd down, meanwhile, Edmunds still plants himself in that empty zone and waits for the runner to come to him. That has always been my problem with Edmunds is his abilty to read the game and be aggressive. KZ was aggressive, and so was Karl Joseph, and now both are freakin hurt. It sucks that we addressed the issue in FA and now have nothing to show for it.
Also KZ came up and vacated his zone twice in Preseason game 2 to stop first downs on 3rd down, meanwhile, Edmunds still plants himself in that empty zone and waits for the runner to come to him. That has always been my problem with Edmunds is his abilty to read the game and be aggressive. KZ was aggressive, and so was Karl Joseph, and now both are freakin hurt. It sucks that we addressed the issue in FA and now have nothing to show for it.
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Well…Maybe those guys didn’t need so much contact in preseason…obviously
The good news is Bush is healthy as can be Cuz he can avoid the contact in both meaningless preseason games AND the regular season, whew…don’t know what we’d do without him
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Excuse me if I have a fuzzy memory, but three new starters on the offensive line? Moore, Dotson, and Okorafor all started last year, correct?
Back to Dotson because someone mentioned this in another post. Didn't he play the right side in college? He said he wasn't comfortable learning the left side and offensive linemen say all the time how tough it is to do. Will this be a TJ Watt/Bud Dupree situation where the Steelers coaching staff waste multiple seasons playing guys on the wrong side?
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Vey good points. I saw in one game they played Edmonds up close like a IMLB and he looked pretty good there. He couldn't wait for the runner he had to attach and did pretty good.
Alo on the injuries to both Joseph and Kazee are definately a downer. Shows how even if prepared things can still go arye. Coach Tolin is NOT dumb by any means and would never play an injured player just to get him some reps, rediculous for anyone to even think that.. All coaches do boneheaded things but I think Coach Tomlin is in tune with his players.
Thanks Cope for all you good insight along the way !!!
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They're trying to start Green over Dotson, and Dotson should be a RG like he was in college and HS. They are idiots for not playing an All American at his natural position.
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I’m not suggesting Cool Shades “forced” Najee to play
Najee likely wanted the reps- he’s a leader and a baller
What I’m suggesting is the result of that game was meaningless, MT has no clue how to manage RBs workload and that Lisfranc injuries are nothing to mess with-especially when dealing with WRs or RBs and that an extra couple weeks of a lightened load would have been far more beneficial to the likelihood of him having a long and productive season than a few reps behind a mess of a line where he is repeatedly getting hit 2 yards behind the LOS. The extra two weeks for the Line to get their **** together may help out for getting actual timing down anyways…to my eyes it would be ridiculous to think otherwise.
I highly doubt taking several hits in the backfield really helped get the timing down, and if it did with that timing it will be a long, long season.
I guess it comes down to sometimes a coach has to be intelligent enough to protect a player from themself, and I’m sick of seeing Tomlin “run the wheels off” so he gets very little benefit of the doubt in my scrutiny of him at this point until he shows one little inkling of growth/learning from past experiences.
Dotson did play right guard in college and did say he had problems moving to left. This was supposed to be the year he got comfortable at left but he's been injured most of the preseason. Now, we're stuck. Hopefully, he can still come around and stay healthy, which has always been his problem. Somehow, Moore needs to step up big time from what we've seen in the preseason. OR, they need to bring someone else in to solidify the left side of the line.
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Also why put together the most inexperienced players in the Oline? Wasn't it obvious that Daniels should have been LG next to Moore to help him out?
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Fiji Mariner, A very well written post and thanks for all your great post(s) along the way.
The "run the wheels off" has been a staple of Coach Tomlin for as long as I can remember. I also know that he has way more access to health decisions than I will ever have.
There is always both sides of the coin to ponder on PRE-Season games. They don't mean anything VS Player getting game speed aquirement. It's a fine line for both to be satified. When a Player gets hurt in pre-season it is a worthless injury that cost the team due to missing games that matter. Flip that and you find losing games due to a slow start for player(s) to get up to game speed.
"a fine line indeed" now if ONLY I could use that to describe our OL status.................
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I’m sticking with the outside the box thinking DIC at this point
… bring in 5-7 sumo wrestlers and keep everyone that has a good hand punch, can’t be worse than what we’re strutting out there. If we’re gonna commit to this hand punch thing with Meyer fully commit and get some round pegs (big fat string round pegs) for the round holes. It would at least be humorous which at this point would be an upgrade from the pain my eyes are in every game they strut the current OL out there.
I’m almost to the point where I have to DVR games and just fast forward to watch the D play cuz it truly hurts.
When the offense takes the field go make a double bacon sandwich and come back for the D. The heart attack from the 200 bacon sandwiches consumed this season is less impending than the one from watching the OL out there.
… bring in 5-7 sumo wrestlers and keep everyone that has a good hand punch, can’t be worse than what we’re strutting out there. If we’re gonna commit to this hand punch thing with Meyer fully commit and get some round pegs (big fat string round pegs) for the round holes. It would at least be humorous which at this point would be an upgrade from the pain my eyes are in every game they strut the current OL out there.
I’m almost to the point where I have to DVR games and just fast forward to watch the D play cuz it truly hurts.
When the offense takes the field go make a double bacon sandwich and come back for the D. The heart attack from the 200 bacon sandwiches consumed this season is less impending than the one from watching the OL out there.
I wanna know what great running back has ever had a coach that didn't run the wheels off of him? I hate that statement. It doesn't mean anything. If he's great, you are gonna use him to win games. Why the hell would you use a player that isn't as great?
Injuries don't happen because wheels have been run off. They just happen. The guys who have lasted at that position last because they are special and have gotten very lucky. Emmitt Smith by some definition had the wheels run off him. He was special and got lucky.
Injuries don't happen because wheels have been run off. They just happen. The guys who have lasted at that position last because they are special and have gotten very lucky. Emmitt Smith by some definition had the wheels run off him. He was special and got lucky.
I wouldn't totally disagree with you but there is nothing wrong with having a guy good enough to give one series per half. I loved Cowher but I think one of his issues was the way he used Bettis. They had some teams where if they would have gotten Bettis healthy in the playoffs I don't really know how you could have stopped that man.
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I like your line of thought on that offensive offense-line.
I make bacon slices 1, 3, 5 that's not quantity but lbs. per slice. Anyone who orders the 5 lb. slice gets a free drive the LUXURY S10 for 24 minutes on a pre-determined course but don't fear as there is pavement / gravel / and yes, a couple barrel roll jumps involved.
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Fiji Is this "punch" offense a proven ? Has it been used throughout the NFL with success ? My thinking if it's this complicated it's probably lacking in quality. I know we don't / haven't invested a lot in top line OL talent so that could be a hindrance as well.
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Fiji Is this "punch" offense a proven ? Has it been used throughout the NFL with success ? My thinking if it's this complicated it's probably lacking in quality. I know we don't / haven't invested a lot in top line OL talent so that could be a hindrance as well.
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I see your point. But can we be sure that the injuries to Bettis were from running the wheels off? Or where they just the injuries that happen? I don't think we can know that for sure. And I agree with them getting breaks.
I think I'm calling it what it is...it is just another way to criticize Tomlin for something. He runs wheels off.
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The only thing I can think of as a “proven” in this regard is about 10-12 years back (if memory serves) we had the whole OL take some boxing classes and workout with a boxing instructor in the preseason. Guys were surprised by it, but I believe it was Starks who credited it with massively improving his technique and conditioning.
If we are committed to Meyer and not the Sumo system (my option B) it is definitely something worth revisiting.
I’m still riding the fire Meyer and go get Munch back here train of thought…pay the man and make it happen (option A)
Would love to know if Canada’s college system could even be viable, but with the state of this OL the scapegoat is right there for the sacrifice if he fails again…we both know success behind this OL would be shocking to say the least.
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The number of season ending injuries to backs the year after heavy workloads and shortened careers of those would say otherwise…indeed some injuries do “just happen” but there is definitely a correlation between high usage and severe injury following high usage, it’s not rocket science
No, your contention is hypothetical. It's not any kind of science at all. You cannot say with certainty that the injury was due to overuse or if it was just injury. Harris got hurt in training camp. Was that due to his # of touches last year or was it just because it happened? Hell, he is young, and just had a whole offseason away from contact. It's just dumb...run the wheels off.
Look, I'm all for guys getting breaks. They should. But at the end of the day you want your best guys out there. Ben blew his elbow. Should have they kept him out a few games a year for fear of overuse of the arm? I contend it is just another avenue to ***** about the coach.
My mistake then. Apologies.
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Then I should apply for the "Boxing" coach job. I don't chew bazooooooKA Joe but I could sure punch Bubbles in the cheek should need be.
The workout is unbelievable and definitely would help anyone in sports including OL & DL. Hell It might even help Bush with his confidence level.
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I’m not speaking to this particular injury
Past history clearly shows a correlation between backs having a higher probability of season ending injury after heavy workload
Again it’s not rocket science, just common sense that has been shown to be statistically a higher probability
Simple numbers
Don’t try to tell me my contention when you’re inaccurate about what my contention is