Is Tomlin viewed more favorably outside of SN

[madinsomniac]

Meh im a coaching and strategy snob… I’ve said it before… Tomlin is probably top five and definitely top ten in coaching, butvthecstate of current NFL head coaches is abysmal… take cheaty mcCheaterson out of the mix and you have a heavily flawed andy reid and a bunch of mediocre strategies and visions there… noll was a finely aged Scotch, Cowher was just a high proof whiskey with a brand name. Tomlin is an expensive french wine

Noll was the real deal and was worth every penny.
Cowher sounded good and was just looking to batter you with his scheme and players… he was best blended with other coaches

Tomlin sounds great and what he does good he does great, but he still is most likely going to be beaten by some 9 dollar bottle of no name wine in most situations..

 

[TheRealTazz864]

Tomlin is NOT 8-7 in the playoffs. He IS 8-9 in the postseason. And 0-4 in his last 4 playoff games.

Stop posting bullshit.

It's amazing what refreshing a website can do.... Technically, he was 8-7.... Technically, he was 8-5.... not too shabby... I wonder how many HCs, in general, have come and gone since he's been HC... I can't think of any black coaches that have lasted longer in the NFL...
Now hold on here.... If the Steelers have retained Tomlin for 15 seasons... he's lost 7 in the first round of the playoffs in 15 years... True, he was unsuccessful in the playoffs... eventually...

 

[diver]

You can, but I know the truth.
The MT nuthuggers brag about him too.

The truth is that even with the better fly, if I am some kind of a hack out there I'm not gonna catch anything. I have to guide the fly properly, place it where it needs to be, keep it from getting caught up and then when I get a hit, make the hookup. The fly can't do that all on it's own.

Nobody is arguing Tomlin was give a nice "fly." But in 2008 he deserves the credit for guiding that team to a SB and then setting the hook and winning it. That shouldn't be minimized.

Would ya rather he lost?

 

[Coach]

Personally, I find it absolutely amazing that there's this supposed hot market for a HC that:

- Can't make in game adjustments to save his life
- Manages the clock horribly
- Is unable to control a locker room
- Has consistently played down to sub par teams through the years (and would have lost to good teams too had Ben not saved his *** on numerous occasions)
- Tied an 0-8 Lions team
- Sounds like a complete and total tosser at ALL of his press conferences
- Could never beat Belichick when it mattered most
- Hires and promotes sh*t coordinators

So, there are teams that would kill to be this lucky?

Has a losing record in the playoffs. 43+ other coaches who have at least coached four playoff games have a 500 or better record. 1 coach that I can think of is worse.

It has been six years since we won a playoff game. The vast majority of NFL teams have won one over the course of six years. Can you name them? That's how irrelevant we have been for six years.

Rank	Coach	W	L	W/L%	Champs *	Super Bowls
1	Bill Belichick	31	13	0.705	6	6
2	Tom Landry	20	16	0.556	2	2
3	Andy Reid	19	16	0.543	1	1
3	Don Shula	19	17	0.528	2	2
5	Joe Gibbs	17	7	0.708	3	3
6	Chuck Noll	16	8	0.667	4	4
7	Mike Holmgren	13	11	0.542	1	1
8	Tom Coughlin	12	7	0.632	2	2
8	Bill Cowher	12	9	0.571	1	1
10	Dan Reeves	11	9	0.55	0	0
10	Bill Parcells	11	8	0.579	2	2
10	Pete Carroll	11	10	0.524	1	1
10	Marv Levy	11	8	0.579	0	0
10	John Harbaugh	11	8	0.579	1	1
15	Bud Grant	10	12	0.455	0	0
15	Mike McCarthy	10	9	0.526	1	1
15	George Seifert	10	5	0.667	2	2
15	Bill Walsh	10	4	0.714	3	3
19	Paul Brown	9	8	0.529	7	0
19	Sean Payton	9	8	0.529	1	1
19	Tony Dungy	9	10	0.474	1	1
19	John Madden	9	7	0.563	1	1
19	Vince Lombardi	9	1	0.9	5	2
19	Jimmy Johnson	9	4	0.692	2	2
25	Mike Shanahan	8	6
25	Mike Tomlin	8	9	0.471	1	1
25	John Fox	8	7	0.533	0	0
25	Tom Flores	8	3	0.727	2	2
29	Chuck Knox	7	11	0.389	0	0
30	George Halas	6	3	0.667	6	0
30	Mike Ditka	6	6	0.5	1	1
30	Dick Vermeil	6	5	0.545	1	1
30	Bruce Arians	6	3	0.667	1	1
30	Sean McVay	6	3	0.667	0	0
35
35	Jeff Fisher	5	6	0.455	0	0
35	Hank Stram	5	3	0.625	3	1
35	Jon Gruden	5	4	0.556	1	1
35	Gary Kubiak	5	2	0.714	1	1
35	Brian Billick	5	3	0.625	1	1
35	Jim Harbaugh	5	3	0.625	0	0
35	Barry Switzer	5	2	0.714	1	1
43	Weeb Ewbank	4	1	0.8	3	1
43	Norv Turner	4	4	0.5	0	0
43
43	Bum Phillips	4	3	0.571	0	0
43	John Robinson	4	6	0.4	0	0
43	Rex Ryan	4	2	0.667	0	0
43	Ken Whisenhunt	4	2	0.667	0	0
43	Doug Pederson	4	2	0.667	1	1
43	Don McCafferty	4	1	0.8	1	1
43	Kyle Shanahan	4	2	0.667	0	0
53	Curly Lambeau	3	2	0.6	6	0
53	Don Coryell	3	6	0.333	0	0
53	Buddy Parker	3	1	0.75	2	0
53
53	Lovie Smith	3	3	0.5	0	0
53	Sam Wyche	3	2	0.6	0	0

 

[SteelerSask2]

We’ll have to see if he can keep his mitts off the defense and leaves Flores and Austin to do their jobs. Although if he was going to hire Flores I’d prefer he was the DC and not Austin but Austin might have already been promoted when Flores became available.

I'm a little concerned about two many cooks in the kitchen.

 

[TheRealTazz864]

Has a losing record in the playoffs. 43+ other coaches who have at least coached four playoff games have a 500 or better record. 1 coach that I can think of is worse.

It has been six years since we won a playoff game. The vast majority of NFL teams have won one over the course of six years. Can you name them? That's how irrelevant we have been for six years.

This is why I hated statistics in high school.... You are cutting corners.... It has been 4 SEASONS since the Steelers (You still didn't make the team, there still is no "we...") have made the playoffs. If you've paid any attention at all, you've noticed that football seasons are defined by TWO years each (for instance, the upcoming season is the 2022-2023 SEASON...even though we're not even halfway to 2023...)

 

[Ron Burgundy]

The truth is that even with the better fly, if I am some kind of a hack out there I'm not gonna catch anything. I have to guide the fly properly, place it where it needs to be, keep it from getting caught up and then when I get a hit, make the hookup. The fly can't do that all on it's own.

Nobody is arguing Tomlin was give a nice "fly." But in 2008 he deserves the credit for guiding that team to a SB and then setting the hook and winning it. That shouldn't be minimized.

Would ya rather he lost?

He's been losing in the playoffs. Regular season record is pumped up by having the Browns and Bengals in our division.
2008 team had 27 players from the 2005 SB team and the 2010 team had 11 players, mostly starters, and almost the entire coaching staff.
I'd give him more credit if he could do it on his own but the last 11 years have proven that he can't.
He's got to ONE AFCCG in the last 11 years, beating two teams with backup QB's to get there, and then Belicheat and Br*dy kicked his *** as they usually do.
Since the team has been all his except for a Hall of Fame QB, he has accomplished nothing. I repeat...nothing.
If him and the MT Fanboys want to shut me up then fine, get to a Super Bowl. Heck, even win a playoff game.
Until then, I will always be here saying he won everything he won with Cowher's players and staff. I'm sure he knows it and I'm sure he hears it, so if he doesn't like it then he can go out and win a playoff game or two with HIS team.

 

[diver]

He's been losing in the playoffs. Regular season record is pumped up by having the Browns and Bengals in our division.
2008 team had 27 players from the 2005 SB team and the 2010 team had 11 players, mostly starters, and almost the entire coaching staff.
I'd give him more credit if he could do it on his own but the last 11 years have proven that he can't.
He's got to ONE AFCCG in the last 11 years, beating two teams with backup QB's to get there, and then Belicheat and Br*dy kicked his *** as they usually do.
Since the team has been all his except for a Hall of Fame QB, he has accomplished nothing. I repeat...nothing.
If him and the MT Fanboys want to shut me up then fine, get to a Super Bowl. Heck, even win a playoff game.
Until then, I will always be here saying he won everything he won with Cowher's players and staff. I'm sure he knows it and I'm sure he hears it, so if he doesn't like it then he can go out and win a playoff game or two with HIS team.

You are arguing two things. I do not disagree with you about Tomlin since his Super Bowl victory. He deserves credit for being the head coach in that season though. Totally and absolutely with no caveats.

 

[Wolf44]

He has a losing playoff record with a HOF QB his entire career ,Cowher was 5 - 1 in the playoffs with the same QB.Tomlon does less with more than any head coach in NFL history.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I think that each season he does as good a coaching job as he can possibly do.
Which since the team has been all his, means at best 10-12 wins and a first round playoff loss.

I have a tendency to agree with this, at best 10-12 wins but more often than not (lately) less than 10 wins and like Ron says, early out in the POs.

If he could just get a little bit ore traction he might ake a climb and then we (most) can all eat crow for a year or twenty. I'd gladly eat the crow if Coach Tomlin can consistently step up his game.



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[Drink IRON City]

He has a losing playoff record with a HOF QB his entire career ,Cowher was 5 - 1 in the playoffs with the same QB.Tomlon does less with more than any head coach in NFL history.

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This is my biggest disappointment with coach Tomlin, bar none.



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[Ron Burgundy]

I have a tendency to agree with this, at best 10-12 wins but more often than not (lately) less than 10 wins and like Ron says, early out in the POs.

If he could just get a little bit ore traction he might ake a climb and then we (most) can all eat crow for a year or twenty. I'd gladly eat the crow if Coach Tomlin can consistently step up his game.

With the talent we've had, 3 playoff wins in 11 years (with 2 of them against backup QB's) simply isn't good enough.

 

[Drink IRON City]

With the talent we've had, 3 playoff wins in 11 years (with 2 of them against backup QB's) simply isn't good enough.

FULLY agree.!! Especially with the talent we have had. HOF QB and two very good players, RB & WR. We've had great talent his entire tenure so far but yet nothing in PO production.



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[Djfan]

@Ron Burgundy - thanks for speaking for me. You're nailing it.

Ben's career was squandered on arena league coach.

 

[diver]

@Ron Burgundy - thanks for speaking for me. You're nailing it.

Ben's career was squandered on arena league coach.

No it wasn't. If his career was "squandered," he himself is also responsible for that. It wasn't like Ben was tearing it up in the playoffs after the 2010 AFCC game.

I'll always come back to this point on Tomlin. I agree with most of what is said about his coaching. I wish they had moved on. But I don't like certain arguments. I don't think they are necessary. The results are enough.

 

[Confluence]

there is no "outside of SN"

you may be outside of Pittsburgh, but Steeler Nation encompasses the whole Nation

I think you meant whole galaxy

 

[Ron Burgundy]

No it wasn't. If his career was "squandered," he himself is also responsible for that. It wasn't like Ben was tearing it up in the playoffs after the 2010 AFCC game.

I'll always come back to this point on Tomlin. I agree with most of what is said about his coaching. I wish they had moved on. But I don't like certain arguments. I don't think they are necessary. The results are enough.

Except Ben doesn't play defense. Only team in history to allow more than 40 points in three consecutive playoff games.
You would think if we scored 37 points or 42 points it would be enough to win, but noooo..... Made Baker Mayfield look like Tom Br*dy and hung 48 on us.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Except Ben doesn't play defense. Only team in history to allow more than 40 points in three consecutive playoff games.
You would think if we scored 37 points or 42 points it would be enough to win, but noooo..... Made Baker Mayfield look like Tom Br*dy and hung 48 on us.

ALSO some of the stupidest f-ucking game plans ever. Instead of exploiting the opposing teams weakness he comes out and tries to exploit their stregnth.

Oponent Top 5 against the run and 28th against the pass and all we do is try to rush and not pick on the weak secndary. even though it's there.

What about in game we find something that works offensively and then abandone it ?

to many bonehead in game type **** to just ignore.



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[Djfan]

No it wasn't. If his career was "squandered," he himself is also responsible for that. It wasn't like Ben was tearing it up in the playoffs after the 2010 AFCC game.

I'll always come back to this point on Tomlin. I agree with most of what is said about his coaching. I wish they had moved on. But I don't like certain arguments. I don't think they are necessary. The results are enough.

I just disagree.

Ben carried that team very often. Any mid-tier scheme would have won more. Any coach who CHANGED HIS SIGNALS AND SETS WHEN PLAYING THE CHEATERS would have won more. Any coach who has heard of halftime adjustments, or getting rid of non-performing plays, playing to an opponents weaknesses, not just "I called a play. You didn't execute" would have done better.

Tomlin won't, can't, or never heard of these things.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I just disagree.

Ben carried that team very often. Any mid-tier scheme would have won more. Any coach who CHANGED HIS SIGNALS AND SETS WHEN PLAYING THE CHEATERS would have won more. Any coach who has heard of halftime adjustments, or getting rid of non-performing plays, playing to an opponents weaknesses, not just "I called a play. You didn't execute" would have done better.

Tomlin won't, can't, or never heard of these things.

Many let the stats get to his betterment but fail to remember some of the most stupidest things on field. Inoportune attemps at the 2 point conversion coming back to haunt, Non-field goal attemps to haunt later in game. 1st and goal from the 3 and all pass plays saving clock for opponent, amongst many many more.

That is how you squander a HOF qaurterback.



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[diver]

I just disagree.

Ben carried that team very often. Any mid-tier scheme would have won more. Any coach who CHANGED HIS SIGNALS AND SETS WHEN PLAYING THE CHEATERS would have won more. Any coach who has heard of halftime adjustments, or getting rid of non-performing plays, playing to an opponents weaknesses, not just "I called a play. You didn't execute" would have done better.

Tomlin won't, can't, or never heard of these things.

To me this is all speculation and too easy for someone to say, 'Well, we don't know that and veer the discussion.

I know they have lost. They haven't won **** in what, 14 years? That is absolutely indisputable and should have been, or should be enough for a change. There is no speculation there, it is easily provable.

 

[diver]

Like the squandering a QB thing, let's not do revisionist history. Yes, the defense sucked and when you look at the stat line Ben looks great. But the truth is those numbers came when the game was getting away from them. ben was also a culprit getting them in that situation, throwing picks or forcing low percentage throws or whatever.

Has Green Bay squandered Rodgers or does he share some of the blame for their failures? Or is it only Ben that was some lump of clay who had no control over outcomes?

 

[Wolf44]

When the Packers were losing secondary players and Tomlin did not attack their rookie replacements and said after the game we were not going to change our gameplay to take advantage of the replacements is when he lost me. Dumb guy, dumb coach, stubborn as a mule and a word salad guy who thinks he is always the smartest guy in the room when he is in fact usually the dumbest.

 

[topseed]

It's amazing what refreshing a website can do.... Technically, he was 8-7.... Technically, he was 8-5.... not too shabby... I wonder how many HCs, in general, have come and gone since he's been HC... I can't think of any black coaches that have lasted longer in the NFL...
Now hold on here.... If the Steelers have retained Tomlin for 15 seasons... he's lost 7 in the first round of the playoffs in 15 years... True, he was unsuccessful in the playoffs... eventually...

Technically, refreshing a website has sh*t to do with factual information that's been the same for months. Since you seem to be having great difficulties with the simple certainty that Tomlin is indeed 8-9 in the playoffs, I'll spell out the details for you (I'll try to type slowly):

Tomlin has coached the Steelers for 15 seasons. His teams have made the postseason 10 times.

Super Bowl win (2008): 3-0
Super Bowl loss (2010): 2-1
AFC Championship loss (2016): 2-1
Divisional round loss (2015): 1-1
Six others one-and-done: 0-6 (not 7 as you indicated above)

Now, if you add up the grand total there, my friend, what do you get? Why, yes, it's 8-9! See how that works? Amazing!

This is why I hated statistics in high school.... You are cutting corners.... It has been 4 SEASONS since the Steelers (You still didn't make the team, there still is no "we...") have made the playoffs. If you've paid any attention at all, you've noticed that football seasons are defined by TWO years each (for instance, the upcoming season is the 2022-2023 SEASON...even though we're not even halfway to 2023...)

Jesus Christ. No, it's not been 4 seasons since the Steelers made the playoffs, since they made them last season. It has, however, been FIVE seasons without a postseason win, which last came in January of 2017 (the conclusion of the 2016 season).

Let's count them together!

No playoff wins in the 2017 season...one!
No playoff wins in the 2018 season...two!
No playoff wins in the 2019 season...three!
No playoff wins in the 2020 season...four!
No playoff wins in the 2021 season...five!

Yay!

All cleared up, big guy? Ready for a Juicy Juice?

 

[ZonaBurgh]

If only MT gave the reigns to capable OCs and DCs to handle the playcalling x & o's he would look freaking brilliant and HoF bound.

Hopefully the Flores hiring paired with Austin is a good start, not so much faith in Canada though

This is MT's biggest weakness in my opinion. His ego won't allow him to hire assistants he deems smarter than he is, and those he does hire aren't given
control to do the job they were hired for. Wash, rinse, repeat.