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Is Tomlin viewed more favorably outside of SN

Ron Burgundy said:
Also at the time the Browns had one of the worst run defenses in the league.
"Lessee, we're playing in horrible weather and our opponent has a poor run defense. I know! We'll pass all day, they'll never be expecting that."
That's another one of Tomlin's issues, sometimes he tries to be too smart by half instead of taking what the other team gives you.

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My point exactly and we are not talking just one game here and there. Add in the not prepared and playing down............... suddenly you are play-off challenged instead of in control of your seeding.

SQUANDER, it's not just for breakfast anymore



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Drink IRON City said:
My point exactly and we are not talking just one game here and there. Add in the not prepared and playing down............... suddenly you are play-off challenged instead of in control of your seeding.

SQUANDER, it's not just for breakfast anymore
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Pretty much every time we get into the playoffs we back in the last week of the season and have to wait for another team or two to win or lose to see if we're in.
I can't remember the last time we had a bye week.

Last season we needed eleventeen different and unlikely things to happen for us to get into the playoffs and lo and behold they did, and MT is an awesome coach for making the playoffs again.
 
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I have always been on the fence with Tomlin and often wondered if perhaps it's more of a talent evaluation problem and overachieving players.

Players want to play for the Steelers. Players think highly of this franchise and want to win. Less talented players overachieve keeping us in this cycle of having winning seasons but not good enough to compete in the playoffs.
Having winning seasons puts us low in the draft order every year, we draft so-so players, have another winning a season and the cycle starts over again.
Do yinz think there is some validity to that?
 
The Steelers playoff "success" over the past decade has largely mirrored that of the 1980s, which most longtime fans consider a dark period in franchise history.

Obviously, one cannot win the Superbowl every year, but that is just a senseless straw man argument when Tomlin rarely even gets close anymore.

At least Sean Peyton is finally done with the Saints, so people cannot constantly bring him up as some sort of comparable justification for Tomlin still coaching the Steelers.

The other strong analog to Tomlin was Mike McCarthy with the Packers and they fired him years ago and have been better for it.

Everyone has an expiration date and the Rooney's have kept Tomlin a good 5+ years past his, IMO.

I wonder how many fans know that Tomlin has now officially been with the Steelers longer than Cowher.
 
Stewey said:
I have always been on the fence with Tomlin and often wondered if perhaps it's more of a talent evaluation problem and overachieving players.

Players want to play for the Steelers. Players think highly of this franchise and want to win. Less talented players overachieve keeping us in this cycle of having winning seasons but not good enough to compete in the playoffs.
Having winning seasons puts us low in the draft order every year, we draft so-so players, have another winning a season and the cycle starts over again.
Do yinz think there is some validity to that?
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The Steelers two best players were drafted at the end of the first round.

Steelers drafting mid to low every year is just one of the many excuses made for Tomlin.

Talent wasn't an issue in the 2014-2018 period when the team largely underachieved, constantly getting off to slow starts and losing to ****** teams, costing them position in the playoffs and often getting their poop packed in when they got there.
 
TheRealTazz864 said:
That's not true... If you're as results-oriented as it seems you are, look at Bell and Brown's "careers" after they left a Tomlin-coached team... No real results to speak of...
Tomlin has done more with what he had than most NFL coaches...
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That means ****. He has a losing playoff record and hasn't won a playoff game in 6 years. Everything else is window dressing.
 
topseed said:
They sure did make the playoffs in 2016, chief. Just like I said they did. I can't believe I have to go over this again.

Were the Steelers the 1979 world champions? Why, yes...even though they won the Super Bowl in January 1980. Are the 2008 Steelers known as NFL champions? Why, yes, indeed they are...even though they won the Super Bowl in February 2009. See a pattern here, buddy?

Obviously the years I listed there are when the regular season began -- the vast majority of the season is played out before the new year, even now, with 17 games. It's universally accepted through every statistical outlet what constitutes a football season. Apparently you are the only asswipe east of the Pecos (or west of it, for that matter) that has adopted the dual-year notation for the NFL. This isn't hockey, oh intelligent one.

I didn't prove sh*t for you. YOU said that the Steelers hadn't made the playoffs in four years. YOU were WRONG. Even if you meant to say that it's only been four years since they won a postseason game, you are still WRONG. People saying it's been six years since they've won a playoff game are also WRONG. The 2022 season has not been played yet, so they correct answer, once again, is FIVE.

I'm thinking more along the lines of a double-dose of Advil, at this point.
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Wow, pal... You aren't trying to be condescending, are you, chum?? Why, yes you are, kiddo.... Is it that smart to use extreme superlatives like every, universally, etc when debating a point (see what a helper I am, defining terms of which you are obviously ignorant by defining them in context??) All I have to do is provide one example that disproves your claim, and I've proved you are WRONG...

There you go, you're WRONG, oh juice-box denying window licker....
 
Punxsutawney said:
The Steelers two best players were drafted at the end of the first round.

Steelers drafting mid to low every year is just one of the many excuses made for Tomlin.

Talent wasn't an issue in the 2014-2018 period when the team largely underachieved, constantly getting off to slow starts and losing to ****** teams, costing them position in the playoffs and often getting their poop packed in when they got there.
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I don't recall that ever being an excuse, and if it was, it can quickly be debunked by noting all the teams that have drafted high and finished low.... Look at the Jags, just last season....
 
TheRealTazz864 said:
Wow, pal... You aren't trying to be condescending, are you, chum?? Why, yes you are, kiddo.... Is it that smart to use extreme superlatives like every, universally, etc when debating a point (see what a helper I am, defining terms of which you are obviously ignorant by defining them in context??) All I have to do is provide one example that disproves your claim, and I've proved you are WRONG...

There you go, you're WRONG, oh juice-box denying window licker....
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Statista.com? Who?

A link to a page not found?

Yeah, you really got me there, boy. lol

You've redefined ignorant. Tell us again how the Steelers haven't made the playoffs in four years. Can't wait.

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topseed said:
Statista.com? Who?

A link to a page not found?

Yeah, you really got me there, boy. lol

You've redefined ignorant. Tell us again how the Steelers haven't made the playoffs in four years. Can't wait.

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Do you need somebody to learn you how the interwebs works, boyo??? Bless your heart... Tell me again how 6 years equals six seasons... Can't wait...
 
TheRealTazz864 said:
This is why I hated statistics in high school.... You are cutting corners.... It has been 4 SEASONS since the Steelers (You still didn't make the team, there still is no "we...") have made the playoffs. If you've paid any attention at all, you've noticed that football seasons are defined by TWO years each (for instance, the upcoming season is the 2022-2023 SEASON...even though we're not even halfway to 2023...)
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How's this? Since the 2011 season he is 3-7 in the playoffs and has not won a playoff game since the 2016 season. We are approaching the 2022 season. Compared to other coaches on the list, this sucks. Broom him at of the season in 2023.
 
Coach said:
How's this? Since the 2011 season he is 3-7 in the playoffs and has not won a playoff game since the 2016 season. We are approaching the 2022 season. Compared to other coaches on the list, this sucks. Broom him at of the season in 2023.
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I think you better check your stats.... I'm with you that Tomlin-coached teams have underperformed in the playoffs... but a coach isn't allowed between the white lines during the game... One of the first actions of Omar Khan as GM was to cut you from the team, so there is no "we" for you, either... Lucky for you, Steeler Nation's criteria are less performance-related, so they are more tolerant... People need to stay in their lanes... Once the ball's in-play, it's up to the team to execute the gameplan, now you can disagree with the gameplan (disagreeing with a few plays within the gameplan is not indicative of the gameplan, in general...) but I doubt the Steelers would have won LESS games had they executed Tomlin's game plan perfectly, over the seasons...
 
TheRealTazz864 said:
I think you better check your stats.... I'm with you that Tomlin-coached teams have underperformed in the playoffs... but a coach isn't allowed between the white lines during the game... One of the first actions of Omar Khan as GM was to cut you from the team, so there is no "we" for you, either... Lucky for you, Steeler Nation's criteria are less performance-related, so they are more tolerant... People need to stay in their lanes... Once the ball's in-play, it's up to the team to execute the gameplan, now you can disagree with the gameplan (disagreeing with a few plays within the gameplan is not indicative of the gameplan, in general...) but I doubt the Steelers would have won LESS games had they executed Tomlin's game plan perfectly, over the seasons...
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So you are one of those fans that get irked by fans using "we"? Most of us invest enough time and money to use that term as often as like. Perhaps not cooch (Coach) but none the less. You remind me of a watered down version of Bob. Always trying to mix it up with someone. Not totally out of the question that this username is his burner account available so that there doesn't have to have gaps in his availability to post after the other username gets banned.
 
slashsteel said:
So you are one of those fans that get irked by fans using "we"? Most of us invest enough time and money to use that term as often as like. Perhaps not cooch (Coach) but none the less. You remind me of a watered down version of Bob. Always trying to mix it up with someone. Not totally out of the question that this username is his burner account available so that there doesn't have to have gaps in his availability to post after the other username gets banned.
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That's why I bowed out of this thread.
 
slashsteel said:
So you are one of those fans that get irked by fans using "we"? Most of us invest enough time and money to use that term as often as like. Perhaps not cooch (Coach) but none the less. You remind me of a watered down version of Bob. Always trying to mix it up with someone. Not totally out of the question that this username is his burner account available so that there doesn't have to have gaps in his availability to post after the other username gets banned.
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I get irked by "fans" who say things like "We can't look ahead..." or "We need to take it one game at a time..." That's important if you are actually a member of the football team... As a fan, one can (and imo, SHOULD) look ahead, talk smack, in short, BE A FAN.... Appropriating the culture of someone who gets paid to be a member of the Pittsburgh Steelers, instead of PAYING and investing to be A FAN, is not very accurate... Making specious accusations is just plain mean...
 
TheRealTazz864 said:
I get irked by "fans" who say things like "We can't look ahead..." or "We need to take it one game at a time..." That's important if you are actually a member of the football team... As a fan, one can (and imo, SHOULD) look ahead, talk smack, in short, BE A FAN.... Appropriating the culture of someone who gets paid to be a member of the Pittsburgh Steelers, instead of PAYING and investing to be A FAN, is not very accurate... Making specious accusations is just plain mean...
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I think you are being silly with it and perhaps taking the usage of the word too literally. If somebody asks you who is your NFL team you root for? Wouldn't you say, "the Steelers"? I don't think you are replying they aren't my team they are the Rooney's then proceed to go off on some wacky tangent. Not one fan believes they own the Steelers, it is simply verbiage describing their commitment to following the team. Their passion for the team.

Life is short there is much better things to be irked at.
 
TheRealTazz864 said:
So you're supporting my point that Tomlin does more (Super Bowl) with less (a 9-7 record...) Thanks...
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My point is that the season after winning the Super Bowl Cowher went 8-8 (Tomlin fanboys conveniently forget that year his QB followed a near-fatal motorcycle crash with appendicitis).
The season after Tomlin won the Super Bowl he went 9-7. Won one more game than Cowher. ****ing awesome. Greatest coach ever.
Simple fact is that 3 playoff wins in the last 11 years is not acceptable. And 2 of those wins were against backup QB's so it's easily possible that if it wasn't for a little luck we'd have 1 playoff win.
 
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Ron Burgundy said:
My point is that the season after winning the Super Bowl Cowher went 8-8 (Tomlin fanboys conveniently forget that year his QB followed a near-fatal motorcycle crash with appendicitis).
The season after Tomlin won the Super Bowl he went 9-7. Won one more game than Cowher. ****ing awesome. Greatest coach ever.
Simple fact is that 3 playoff wins in the last 11 years is not acceptable. And 2 of those wins were against backup QB's so it's easily possible that if it wasn't for a little luck we'd have 1 playoff win.
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And it's not just the the lack of playoff wins. It's the way in which they've been losing in the post season that is most alarming.

They've hardly been competitive, allowing the opponent to score 35+ points in four consecutive post season games.

Granted, they were completely overmatched personnel-wise against the Chiefs, though there was really no excuse for getting beaten THAT badly by the same team twice last season.


Talent disparity was not the issue against the 2016 Patriots, 2017 Jaguars or 2020 Browns, who all absolutely curb stomped the Steelers in the playoffs, especially the Steelers defense.
 
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