It’s all about perspective

[bigben]

I love how a Baltimore thinks Tomlin is a better coach, becomes the 'Reasons why I hate Tomlin' Thread.

We should have won SBs with the killer Bs, too bad we never had them healthy in the playoffs. Too bad Shazier got paralized on our best team. Too bad we're not the Alpha Dogs in the AFC during that time, having to play Manning, and Brady to get to the SB. This is why John Madden hates the Steelers. In their minds, they were the best team in the 70s and the only made it to a SB because we lost our top 2 RBs in the AFCC for the 76 season. They were lucky to win one. Tennessee had Campbell and an incredible offense. Same with the Bills and Juice.

It happens and now teams have to navigate Mahomes, Allen, and Mr Jackson. Understand why we don't make the SB every year?

Exactly
Manning and Brady didn't have half the talent around them that Tomlin had.
Mahomes and the Cheifs are strong but not what they were a few years ago.
Jackson could win this year I wouldn't be shocked.
Allen will choke like he does every year

 

[SteveA]

Harbaugh didn't inherit a sb roster.

You mean that lousy 8-8 Bill Cowher team?

What super bowl team did anyone see the year before?

THE TEAM WAS 8-8 under Cowher the year prior

DON'T re-write history...

 

[bigben]

Who blew it.
"Cowhers players" lost Super Bowl XLV vs the Packers in part due to Ben missing a wide open Mike Wallace.

Other factors leading to the loss:
Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers. The Steelers turned the ball over three times. The Packers scored 21 points off of those takeaways.
Big Ben was inaccurate far too often. He had Mike Wallace wide open on a corner route and simply missed the throw.
Rashard Mendenhall fumbled the ball on the first play of the 4th quarter. The Steelers had the momentum and only trailed 21-17

https://1045theteam.com/green-bay-wins-super-bowl/

Ben also threw 4 interceptions vs the Stains in the 2020 WC playoffs.
Thanks a lot Ben, from a Steeler fan living in Cleveland.

FAST FACT:
Ben was the first Steeler QB since Mark Malone to throw 5 INT's in a game.




Except that Harbaugh can't beat Tomlin.

I disagree with the Ravens having "mid-tier talent.
Talk about a team of mid tier players see the Brady era Patriots.

It was 100% on Mendenhall. They were driving late like Ben always did and Rashard blew it.
The party was over by 2020
Harbaugh wasn't the coach in 2015 when the Ravens sent us home?
Name the weapons Baltimore had in comparison to The Killer Bees? Mid Tier is being polite, they were straight trash in comparison

 

[Steelersfan84]

I get the core element of this, I do, but Tomlin/Colbert had to fill in some key pieces as well. Below are the players from the 2005 team and to the right I list who Tombert brought in to replace them. Particularly on defense, the pieces added were definite upgrades. You have to give the man SOME credit and not act like Tomlin inherited a team and did NOTHING.

Offense:
1. FB - Dan Kreider - Cary Davis
2. WR - Antwaan Randle El - Santonio Holms
3. LT - Marvel Smith - Max Starks
4. G - Alan Faneca - Chris Kemoeatu
5. C - Jeff Hartings - Justin Hartwig
6. G - Kendall Simmons - Darnell Stapleton
7 RT - Max Starks - Willie Colon

Defense:
1. DE - Kimo von Oelhoffen - Brett Keisel
2. OLB - Clark Haggans - LaMarr Woodely
3. OLB - Joey Porter - James Harrison
4. FS - Chris Hope - Ryan Clark

Again, what sb team has TOMLIN built?

 

[Steelersfan84]

You mean that lousy 8-8 Bill Cowher team?

What super bowl team did anyone see the year before?

THE TEAM WAS 8-8 under Cowher the year prior

DON'T re-write history...

The same team that finished top 10 on both sides of the ball and one year removed from a sb win?

 

[SteveA]

The same team that finished top 10 on both sides of the ball and one year removed from a sb win?

8-8 won & did nothing year before

Repeat…Nothing

Once more according to Wikipedia and history that team did absolutely NOTHING

 

[Stryker]

it was Ike Taylor having the worst CB statistical game in playoff history and the Steeler D making no adjustments for Demaryius Thomas waltzed into the endzone.

Actually it was cover ZERO and Ike was expecting inside help (Cover 1 deep middle), but both Safeties decided to come up and didn't communicate who would stay back. Ike had the outside of the field, but there was no safety in the middle to help. It was a terrible mistake at the worst time of the game.

And that my friends is the game of football.

 

[SteveA]

Again, what sb team has TOMLIN built?

Built? That is the GM’s job…

He was given a roster and he coached it to a Super Bowl win…

The man did his job to absolute perfection, give it a rest…

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

THis **** has been done and over with cowher vs Donahoe.

 

[Aussie_Steeler]

Exactly
Manning and Brady didn't have half the talent around them that Tomlin had.
Mahomes and the Cheifs are strong but not what they were a few years ago.
Jackson could win this year I wouldn't be shocked.
Allen will choke like he does every year

Interesting you say that, because my memory of 2010-11ish to 2015, the narrative online was Tomlin couldn't draft for **** and brought in bottom of the barrel free agents which left the Steelers lacking in talent.

 

[topseed]

I'm just saying that it can be a combination of piss poor coaching decisions and poor execution on the part of the players as well.

But one thing has remained a constant for well over a decade now, correct? What is that?

 

[topseed]

So its Tomlins fault that the players came out flat as a pancake. Oh boy.
I cant imagine that a coach accused of only being a cheerleader had forgotten to give his pre-game locker room pep talk.

You list the possible scenarios as to why we lose playoff games, but you can't list one example of how Tomlin lost to Denver.

You're sounding more and more like @diver Jr.

I guess it goes back to the old argument, what does Tomlin do so well, exactly? If he can't have players prepared to play well when his team is clearly better than the opponent, yeah, that's the first example. If it's the players' fault for coming out flat, what is Tomlin's responsibility in losing to an 8-8 team? Tell me.

 

[Steelersfan84]

You're sounding more and more like @diver Jr.

I guess it goes back to the old argument, what does Tomlin do so well, exactly? If he can't have players prepared to play well when his team is clearly better than the opponent, yeah, that's the first example. If it's the players' fault for coming out flat, what is Tomlin's responsibility in losing to an 8-8 team? Tell me.

He just lost to a 2-8 team with a backup qb.

 

[diver]

You're sounding more and more like @diver Jr.

I guess it goes back to the old argument, what does Tomlin do so well, exactly? If he can't have players prepared to play well when his team is clearly better than the opponent, yeah, that's the first example. If it's the players' fault for coming out flat, what is Tomlin's responsibility in losing to an 8-8 team? Tell me.

Oh, brother.

Again, I know I have never absolved Tomlin of some of the responsibility for bad losses. I object, and will continue to object to the "ALL" statements. "This loss is ALL on Tomlin!" I'm sure those statements will be coming after the game we just saw. It is not ALL on Tomlin. If you try to advance the argument that those statements haven't been made, you are just wrong.

 

[Steelersfan84]

Built? That is the GM’s job…

He was given a roster and he coached it to a Super Bowl win…

The man did his job to absolute perfection, give it a rest…

Exactly. Now give it a rest.

 

[Steelersfan84]

8-8 won & did nothing year before

Repeat…Nothing

Once more according to Wikipedia and history that team did absolutely NOTHING

Uh.........they won SB XL the year before. Wtf are you talking about?

 

[Steelmann]

There's some reason that the Steelers came out flat as a pancake in the Tebow playoff game, but that loss simply cannot be Coach T's fault. It must've been poor play from a future HoF QB, or an untimely fumble, or a holding penalty that wasn't called. Or his stupid defense allowing 447 yards to the 23rd ranked offense that year. Or something.

Tomlin rulz.

Let us not forget one of my favorite coaches. Let’s not absolve him of blame. This was the game when I realized time had passed him by. No defensive adjustments at halftime. Mike and Dick seemed to stick to the game plan no matter what. Tebow definitely had the last laugh.

 

[topseed]

How did you Tomlin apologists like his time management last night? Perhaps it was the players' fault that this clown still doesn't know how/when to use timeouts after EIGHTEEN F***ING YEARS.

I was shouting at the TV that Cleveland wasn't actually going to go for it on 4th-and-6, they were just going to run clock. A total shock to our $12 million man, I guess.

 

[Confluence]

Actually it was cover ZERO and Ike was expecting inside help (Cover 1 deep middle), but both Safeties decided to come up and didn't communicate who would stay back. Ike had the outside of the field, but there was no safety in the middle to help. It was a terrible mistake at the worst time of the game.

And that my friends is the game of football.

Thomas had 3 long TDs against him. It was light years from "a terrible mistake". It was a failure to make an in game adjustment on the staff, as you pointed out on one many plays.

 

[bigben]

Interesting you say that, because my memory of 2010-11ish to 2015, the narrative online was Tomlin couldn't draft for **** and brought in bottom of the barrel free agents which left the Steelers lacking in talent.

Tomlin drafted the 2 best skill guys of that era, zero to show for it