JPJ Contract

[Avoid_Lloyd]

well fact is , he has the stats to command the high dollar contract. For him ,, "no biggie, ill play out this deal and someone will pay big bucks next year. "

Except he can be franchise tagged. He can’t go anywhere if they don’t want him to. Let’s see him be a game changer on the field this year before backing up the Brinks truck for him

I’ll stick to my guns, he isn’t a game changing player, he’s a good player.

Nothing he’s done on the field justifies him being paid as one of the best 10 corners in the league.

Where are the stats and evidence he’s a top 10 player?

The splurging of money on good, not great defensive players needs to stop until those players create a great defense, not an average one.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Trent has 3 career int's in four seasons, Witherspoon.....2, Mitchell..... 4, Gardner .....3,DeJean....2. Surtain does have 12, but apparently your criteria on the intception front isn't that good. As far as passes defended. Porter is right there with them also. Go figure.

What metric is Porter top 10 in?

 

[Polambertberger]

What metric is Porter top 10 in?

I just listed a bunch if you read

He's number one in tds allowed last year 0
He's number 2 in yards allowed per coverage attempt
He was 2nd in the NFL in forced incompletion % targeted on 3rd down
He was 3rd in qb rating allowed when targeted
He was 4th in lowest catch rate allowed when targeted
He was 5th in separation allowed

So when the opposing QB targeted him on 3rd down to move the chains, he was one of the best. When QBs targeted him in total, he allowed one of the lowest catch rates. When he was assigned to a receiver, he gave one of the lowest rates of separation in the league. When QBs did complete a pass against him he allowed one of the lowest amount of yards per attempt. Finally when QBS tried to score a TD against him they failed every time giving up zero (one of only 2 CBs in the league to do so). In your mind, if he doesn't return a pass for a TD he's not a game changer. LMAO. Before you make statements saying he's not a game changer do your homework bro. He's one of the best in the league but maybe you subscribe to the Tomlin methodology of splash plays and since he isn't making oodles of splash plays he's not worth the money. Tomlin would probably have hired you to be the secondary coach with your thinking. As for me I'd prefer a guy who prevents completions, yards, first downs, and touchdowns. Maybe if Tomlin thought like me the defense would have gotten off the field quicker and held the team to less points but unfortunately he thought like you, loved leading the league in turnovers while ranking woefully defensively, never being able to get off the field, and giving up oodles of points when it mattered most. Drop Mic

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

I just listed a bunch if you read

He's number one in tds allowed last year 0
He's number 2 in yards allowed per coverage attempt
He was 2nd in the NFL in forced incompletion % targeted on 3rd down
He was 3rd in qb rating allowed when targeted
He was 4th in lowest catch rate allowed when targeted
He was 5th in separation allowed

So when the opposing QB targeted him on 3rd down to move the chains, he was one of the best. When QBs targeted him in total, he allowed one of the lowest catch rates. When he was assigned to a receiver, he gave one of the lowest rates of separation in the league. When QBs did complete a pass against him he allowed one of the lowest amount of yards per attempt. Finally when QBS tried to score a TD against him they failed every time giving up zero (one of only 2 CBs in the league to do so). In your mind, if he doesn't return a pass for a TD he's not a game changer. LMAO. Before you make statements saying he's not a game changer do your homework bro. He's one of the best in the league but maybe you subscribe to the Tomlin methodology of splash plays and since he isn't making oodles of splash plays he's not worth the money. Tomlin would probably have hired you to be the secondary coach with your thinking. As for me I'd prefer a guy who prevents completions, yards, first downs, and touchdowns. Maybe if Tomlin thought like me the defense would have gotten off the field quicker and held the team to less points but unfortunately he thought like you, loved leading the league in turnovers while ranking woefully defensively, never being able to get off the field, and giving up oodles of points when it mattered most. Drop Mic

Nice straw man…bro…

You go do some research before you paint me as thinking like Tomlin or defending Tomlin as you’ve been here 5 minutes

If Tomlin only thought like you? LMAO, are you posting in your spare time you have while you coordinate an NFL defense? If you were only half as smart as you think you are…

Where are Porters game changing moments? If you read you’d see I’m talking about game changing plays not just pics

I never even mentioned returned pics for TDs, you go read something…

Or go read your handle and get back to me on if Porter can carry the jock of real top 10 players in their day like Polamalu or Ben who really impacted games

And for anyone looking to have a discussion and not be a pretentious tool like you…maybe Porter becomes that elite player, but he hasn’t shown that yet, sign him to a strong extension, but make him earn top 10 money with continued development

 

[Polambertberger]

Getting a defensive stop can be a game changing play. Not allowing a TD can be a game changing play. Not all game changing plays have to be whittled down to INTs aside from the fact how many turnovers did we get and we got zero points from, or turned rhe ball over immediately, or went three and out from, or got a messy FG which didn't change the game. Everything adds up in an NFL game and so a pass defense here, a 3rd down stop there, tackling a guy before he gets 30 YAC yards, or forcing an incompletion all adds up to changing the game. Not to mention coverage sacks with "game changing forced fumble recoveries" or not giving your receiver separation which then forces a "game changing play". The defense is a unit and without Joey a lot of those "game changing plays" don't happen with his sticky coverage. I know, I know these are hard concepts for you to comprehend coming from a brain that's much larger than yours. I love how you make Polamalu the standard for Porter being worthy now. LMAO.........yeah let's use one of the top 3 or 4 safties to ever play the game as the standard now to rationalize who should get paid. If Frazier wants to get paid when is contract is up I guess we should say he isn't worth the money because he's not Mike Webster or Dawson. I can take that pea brain thinking into any argument for trying to rationalize future contracts and worthiness. Here's another thing which I knew would come up.......I'm a new member. Yeah being here for ages definitely is the standard for rational thinking, unbiased thinking, and intelligence. It's not just that you are a Steeler Nation contributor that merits intelligent posts but how long you've been here. With all of the unintelligent posts you have made over the years your brain must have grown to such immense degree. Time is not indicative of value otherwise we would have said Joe Biden was the greatest statesman of all time......are you the Joe Biden of Steeler Nation? Is that what you are trying to tell me

Your truly,
Unfairly Accused Strawman

 

[Confluence]

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Getting a defensive stop can be a game changing play. Not allowing a TD can be a game changing play. Not all game changing plays have to be whittled down to INTs aside from the fact how many turnovers did we get and we got zero points from, or turned rhe ball over immediately, or went three and out from, or got a messy FG which didn't change the game. Everything adds up in an NFL game and so a pass defense here, a 3rd down stop there, tackling a guy before he gets 30 YAC yards, or forcing an incompletion all adds up to changing the game. Not to mention coverage sacks with "game changing forced fumble recoveries" or not giving your receiver separation which then forces a "game changing play". The defense is a unit and without Joey a lot of those "game changing plays" don't happen with his sticky coverage. I know, I know these are hard concepts for you to comprehend coming from a brain that's much larger than yours. I love how you make Polamalu the standard for Porter being worthy now. LMAO.........yeah let's use one of the top 3 or 4 safties to ever play the game as the standard now to rationalize who should get paid. If Frazier wants to get paid when is contract is up I guess we should say he isn't worth the money because he's not Mike Webster or Dawson. I can take that pea brain thinking into any argument for trying to rationalize future contracts and worthiness. Here's another thing which I knew would come up.......I'm a new member. Yeah being here for ages definitely is the standard for rational thinking, unbiased thinking, and intelligence. It's not just that you are a Steeler Nation contributor that merits intelligent posts but how long you've been here. With all of the unintelligent posts you have made over the years your brain must have grown to such immense degree. Time is not indicative of value otherwise we would have said Joe Biden was the greatest statesman of all time......are you the Joe Biden of Steeler Nation? Is that what you are trying to tell me

Your truly,
Unfairly Accused Strawman

Joe Biden….keep building those straw men, loser

I also said multiple times I’m not opposed to him getting paid, just not top 10 money yet. And yes he should be in the company with his level of play and impact to guys like Polamalu if he wants 30 million plus as a CB

You’re new here, so I’ll kindly tell you brining up politics isn’t really allowed in the football only chat, I don’t care, I’m all for you showing what an idiot you are nice and early so we all know what you’re about

 

[Drink IRON City]

well fact is , he has the stats to command the high dollar contract. For him ,, "no biggie, ill play out this deal and someone will pay big bucks next year. "

Problem is, next year’s money will be greater than this year’s money.

Sign him now and a year or two today’s contract will look cheap.



Salute the nation

 

[Drink IRON City]

OK so let's get down to brass tacks
He's pretty darn good. Part of the reason he doesn't get interceptions I believe (to his credit reasons) is for 2 reasons. One, he's the 9th targeted CB in the NFL at 11.9%. Surtain is least targeted at 10.8%. The avg target rate is a little under 15%. Two (and this plays off of being targeted less) Joey does man to man on avg around 40% of the time which is right up there with the top lock.down corners of the NFL. The avg man to man played in the NFL is 22.5% so Joey is doing man at almost 2x the rate the NFL does. When you stick to.your guy, the QB is gonna throw it less your way. And zone creates more turnovers. He's also covering the number one most of the game and I would imagine that the elite receivers are less likely to misplay the ball or run a wrong route than the avg receiver. Lastly only 2 CBs in the NFL allowed 0 TDs last year and Joey was one of them. Incidentally, Dean was one of 3 to only allow 1 including Mitchell and Surtain (to think our 1 and 2 only gave up.1 TD all of last year is exciting). How about yards allowed per coverage snap......guess who was number 2 in the NFL? Thats right Joey Baby at .6 yards allowed. Thats tied with Surtain..Lets look at CB impact ratings which takes into account YAC, completions allowed, missed tackles, qb rating allowed, incompleteness forced, run support etc......guess who was number 2 in the NFL? That's right Joey Baby. The more I think about it the more he is a shut down corner right now and here's the kicker..........he's been improving every year which means he could be scary going forward if he continues his trajectory. Did they not pay Herbig on his trajectory? Clearly they did not pay him on what he's accomplished. The dude should get paid amomg the top 5 or around there not to mention the fact that he's cut down on his penalties big time and we've been paying him 2nd round draft slot money for a few years and clearly he's been playing like a first round pick as of late. Make no mistake, if they were to redraft that year Porter would have been picked very high. I rest my case........29 mil a year

Great post and thanks for the work involved for the info given, appreciate you.

I’d like to add that the Franchise Tag should only come as a last resort.

Re-structure a current contract or two and WhoAla, JPJ becomes affordable now.



Salute the nation

 

[stillwright]

What metric is Porter top 10 in?

Your metrics put him there.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Your metrics put him there.

My metrics were passed dedended and interpretions he wasn’t top 10 in those last year

 

[SteelerFan448]

My metrics were passed dedended and interpretions he wasn’t top 10 in those last year

Porter has the same or more career INTs than 5 of the CBs you said were better than him and had more PDs in 2025 than 4 of them.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

What metric is Porter top 10 in?

ok dont get mad or anything... But hes in the top 10 corners of the steelers since 2000

 

[stillwright]

My metrics were passed dedended and interpretions he wasn’t top 10 in those last year

Neither were the guys you posted above....except one person.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

ok dont get mad or anything... But hes in the top 10 corners of the steelers since 2000

I’m not mad at anyone, I’m not going to take personal crap form Polambuter or whatever that tools name is, every one else is having a civil spirited debate-all good.

Being one of the best corners the Steelers have had in recent memory doesn’t make him top 10 in the league now of course

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Porter has the same or more career INTs than 5 of the CBs you said were better than him and had more PDs in 2025 than 4 of them.

Not last year. And if we’re going to go on body of work we can talk about him being handsy and penalized a lot early in his time here

 

[diver]

I’m not mad at anyone, I’m not going to take personal crap form Polambuter or whatever that tools name is, every one else is having a civil spirited debate-all good.

Being one of the best corners the Steelers have had in recent memory doesn’t make him top 10 in the league now of course

I know what you are saying, but maybe your last sentence is why they should pay him top 10. The Steelers haven't exactly been great at drafting corners, so maybe now that they did finally get one, he is worth more to them then he would be to another team who tends to draft them more successfully.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

I’m not mad at anyone, I’m not going to take personal crap form Polambuter or whatever that tools name is, every one else is having a civil spirited debate-all good.

Being one of the best corners the Steelers have had in recent memory doesn’t make him top 10 in the league now of course

listen if my house is in a dry area. And i dont have a good well. BUt all the other lands around me have water.. I drill a deeper well and find success, solid flow of water. IF that water will dry up if i dont pay a lot of money do drill a little deeper.. Im paying the money and im drilling deeper and im keeping my solid flowing well.

 

[Confluence]

ok dont get mad or anything... But hes in the top 10 corners of the steelers since 2000

Ike
Hayden
Townsend
Chad Scott
Stephen Nelson
William Gay (2nd stint)
McFadden

struggling here

Sutton
Hilton

JPJ must be top 5 or better already

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

I know what you are saying, but maybe your last sentence is why they should pay him top 10. The Steelers haven't exactly been great at drafting corners, so maybe now that they did finally get one, he is worth more to them then he would be to another team who tends to draft them more successfully.

Fair point

 

[Polambertberger]

I’m not mad at anyone, I’m not going to take personal crap form Polambuter or whatever that tools name is, every one else is having a civil spirited debate-all good.

Being one of the best corners the Steelers have had in recent memory doesn’t make him top 10 in the league now of course

And I'm not gonna take personal crap from you either. Now let's get a few facts out there. What in depth analysis have you done supporting your belief he isn't worthy of top ten money? Very little! I on the other hand went into some very detailed rankings (outside of INTS and pass defenses) of important metrics supporting him getting paid in the upper tier of CBs. If all you are going to do is base your belief on him not being worth of say 28 or 29 mil a year on "game changing plays" then frankly it's obvious to people know football that I've laid out a better case. You just throw lazy slop at the wall and then call people straw men or losers as your strategy. Second, you continue to bring up legends like Polamalu as your basis for him getting paid top money and again that's a weak argument. Some will argue they would have taken Reed over Polly in their generation but personally I'd take Polamalu for he was a complete safety. Regardless you can easily argue that Polly was the very best safety of his generation. He wasn't just HOF first ballot he was the very best during his career. Essentially then since Troy was the best at his position during his day, making the claim that you wouldn't pay him top money because he doesn't do what Troy did, you are essentially saying because Joey isn't the best CB of his generation he shouldn't get top pay. That's absurd. You are using a first ballot HOF and his game changing nature as your basis. You can throw around strawman and loser and all kinds of stuff at me but you are the one who sounds dumb by making this argument but please comtinue making that argument so you can sound even sillier. For Joey to get say 28 to 29 a year he needs to be around the best CBs in the league and based upon ALL the various metrics out there he actually is if you decided to stop throwing slop at the wall and actually do some homework but you want to base him getting top 10 money on just game changing plays. If you paid him in the very high 20s you can still say he's getting less then the Surtains of the world but he feels good about getting paid right around that level. Yes DK and Herbig are different positions but the Steelers set a precedent. I'm not gonna get into a debate about their contracts but his agent is also looking at those contracts and ONCE they have been put out there I don't see how the FO can justify on relative terms paying Joey say mid 20s because where does DK rank pay wise and where does he rank as a receiver in the NFL? And Herbig with all his promise has been a backup and is getting 24 a year. His agent is looking at where Joey sits and where the pay is and the recent FO signings and he's gonna want High 20s if not around 30. I don't think he gets 30 but Joey's agent can easily make the case for getting say 28 to 29 based on his play on the field and the metrics back that up. Keep basing your belief system on game changing plays if you'd like but there is so much more to the game then that and I'm assuming you know this. So if you know this are you not taking into consideration because you are stubborn?

 

[stillwright]

And I'm not gonna take personal crap from you either. Now let's get a few facts out there. What in depth analysis have you done supporting your belief he isn't worthy of top ten money? Very little! I on the other hand went into some very detailed rankings (outside of INTS and pass defenses) of important metrics supporting him getting paid in the upper tier of CBs. If all you are going to do is base your belief on him not being worth of say 28 or 29 mil a year on "game changing plays" then frankly it's obvious to people know football that I've laid out a better case. You just throw lazy slop at the wall and then call people straw men or losers as your strategy. Second, you continue to bring up legends like Polamalu as your basis for him getting paid top money and again that's a weak argument. Some will argue they would have taken Reed over Polly in their generation but personally I'd take Polamalu for he was a complete safety. Regardless you can easily argue that Polly was the very best safety of his generation. He wasn't just HOF first ballot he was the very best during his career. Essentially then since Troy was the best at his position during his day, making the claim that you wouldn't pay him top money because he doesn't do what Troy did, you are essentially saying because Joey isn't the best CB of his generation he shouldn't get top pay. That's absurd. You are using a first ballot HOF and his game changing nature as your basis. You can throw around strawman and loser and all kinds of stuff at me but you are the one who sounds dumb by making this argument but please comtinue making that argument so you can sound even sillier. For Joey to get say 28 to 29 a year he needs to be around the best CBs in the league and based upon ALL the various metrics out there he actually is if you decided to stop throwing slop at the wall and actually do some homework but you want to base him getting top 10 money on just game changing plays. If you paid him in the very high 20s you can still say he's getting less then the Surtains of the world but he feels good about getting paid right around that level. Yes DK and Herbig are different positions but the Steelers set a precedent. I'm not gonna get into a debate about their contracts but his agent is also looking at those contracts and ONCE they have been put out there I don't see how the FO can justify on relative terms paying Joey say mid 20s because where does DK rank pay wise and where does he rank as a receiver in the NFL? And Herbig with all his promise has been a backup and is getting 24 a year. His agent is looking at where Joey sits and where the pay is and the recent FO signings and he's gonna want High 20s if not around 30. I don't think he gets 30 but Joey's agent can easily make the case for getting say 28 to 29 based on his play on the field and the metrics back that up. Keep basing your belief system on game changing plays if you'd like but there is so much more to the game then that and I'm assuming you know this. So if you know this are you not taking into consideration because you are stubborn?

Great post Almost word for word what I was going to say. You beat me by a few minutes.

 

[Polambertberger]

Thank you kind sir

 

[SteelerFan448]

Not last year. And if we’re going to go on body of work we can talk about him being handsy and penalized a lot early in his time here

I pulled up the career INT #'s and the 2025 PDs so I'm not quite sure what you mean by "not last year." I already posted his penalty stats from last year and they are similar or better to many of the names you have rated ahead of him. Porter measures up well in many areas to some of the top CBs in the game. I think many have a clouded judgement of him because of the handsy issue in college and earlier in his career. It's just hard to knock him for his production numbers that you've brought up when they are on par with the other elite corners in the league.