Keeping Dupree not as tough as you think ?

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The Steelers don't have a lot of cap space going into 2020. They'll have to create more if they want to keep linebacker Bud Dupree and others.
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[tapeANaspirin2it]

if they can keep dupree, that changes the whole offseason. It would then pretty much mean they could ignore defense in the draft unless a super value falls to them. They could concentrate of offense

 

[MT~Forged]

if they can keep dupree, that changes the whole offseason. It would then pretty much mean they could ignore defense in the draft unless a super value falls to them. They could concentrate of offense

They still need a safety to replace Edmunds.

 

[slashsteel]

They still need a safety to replace Edmunds.

They are not going to give up on Edmunds,much too early for that.

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[slashsteel]

if they can keep dupree, that changes the whole offseason. It would then pretty much mean they could ignore defense in the draft unless a super value falls to them. They could concentrate of offense

They still need a NT. I like Buggs potential at DE he can help replace Hargrave. But the team needs a capable fill in run stuffer.

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[slashsteel]

Yeah let's cut half the team with few draft picks and little money to play with. So who fills the holes you created? Foster and Chickillo can easily be replaced IMO. But I would keep Vance and Barron.


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[Steelerfan81]

Yeah let's cut half the team with few draft picks and little money to play with. So who fills the holes you created? Foster and Chickillo can easily be replaced IMO. But I would keep Vance and Barron.


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Barron blows IMO. I'd rather Vince play 1st and 2nd and use a third safety or CB in the middle. McDonald needs a much less prove it deal. He can't stay healthy and was invisible all year.

 

[Litos]

Barron blows IMO. I'd rather Vince play 1st and 2nd and use a third safety or CB in the middle. McDonald needs a much less prove it deal. He can't stay healthy and was invisible all year.

McDonald has a 4M cap hit next season, that's pretty cheap for a guy that can block well and be a threat in the middle when they actually throw him the ball. He stays

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[Superman]

i have it on good authority that Bud is "an average linebacker" and would thus be easily replaced (even though we can't replace him with the stiffs behind him and expect the same or better production).

 

[slashsteel]

Barron blows IMO. I'd rather Vince play 1st and 2nd and use a third safety or CB in the middle. McDonald needs a much less prove it deal. He can't stay healthy and was invisible all year.

I thought he started out rough and improved as he went along......................

 

[MT~Forged]

They are not going to give up on Edmunds,much too early for that.

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I am very much aware they won’t admit their mistake, that is how the organization operates, doesn’t mean it’s not true

 

[deljzc]

I just don't think any money spent on Dupree, either tag or big deal, is going to pan out or look good in hindsight.

I just can't imagine the Steelers seeing eye-to-eye on a 5-year, $80 million contract with $40 million in guarantees, especially as that creates a benchmark for TJ Watt to use in his negotiations. I mean, I would be much more willing to spend $100 million on TJ Watt than $80 million on Dupree. The salary Dupree wants doesn't "slot him" into the right spot on the defense. We potentially have 4-5 other players better and more important than him on the defensive side of the ball (Watt, Heyward, Fitzpatrick - maybe even Tuitt, Bush and Hayden as well). Giving Dupree $16 million/year just throws everything off and Colbert doesn't like to do that. It could create an entire locker room of defensive players saying "I'm worth more than Dupree"....

In my opinion, we are 95% likely NOT to sign Dupree after putting the tag on him. So is he really worth the 1-year deal or can that cap money be better spent, both short-term and long-term and that is the debate I'm having right now in my head. I think he is going to be a one-year rental at a very high cap hit at the cost of depth on the roster.

When that inevitable injury comes in December and we all give Tomlin an excuse AGAIN for not getting a playoff win, just remember that Colbert will almost certainly have tagged Dupree and prevented getting better depth on the team.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I'm less concerned about getting some kind of deal that fits under the cap next year then I am about the long term implications of the deal. Yes Ben will be off the books soon. But if you are competing with a veteran starter to bridge a rookie draft pick it still costs over 20 million. That money doesn't disappear unless it's just a stud Rookie and throw him in first season. Watt and Fitz are going to break the bank. I still don't know how we could dump more than 20 million in salary on AB and not have taken on another 13 per year in Bell and be in this situation. You gotta question the way this organization is being run.

 

[TDX27]

Tomlin said signing Bud is a priority but with Watt about to get a contract worth $20 million-ish per season, I just don't see it. If he can be had for about $10 million per, then it is a definite possibility. If they don't sign Bud, I would look to try and lock Watt up this offseason. With Heyward still playing at an elite level, they also may look to extend him since his cap hit is north of $13 million this year. Bud is going to be a tough one to do. I am thinking they will try to negotiate with him, obviously. But, in the end, they will end up tagging him. I still hope they don't franchise him but tag him so someone else can still sign him away and we can get a 1st round pick in the process. That makes the most sense to me.

 

[milkman dan]

Baron did get better, but I think UG3 can fill that void if you cut him. I say cut Vance loose as well as Foster. I think Foster is probably one of the most underrated Steelers of the past decade, but it's now time. And cutting Chickillo is a no brainer.

 

[slashsteel]

Baron did get better, but I think UG3 can fill that void if you cut him. I say cut Vance loose as well as Foster. I think Foster is probably one of the most underrated Steelers of the past decade, but it's now time. And cutting Chickillo is a no brainer.

SB caliber teams have to be more in the knowing business than thinking. And we know he is unproven. With Bigben still around you have to approach the season with that frame of mine, the possibility of something great..

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

I don't think barron is worth keeping around either. Coverage guy...Right? How many picks? How many great plays. I do remember one. That's it.
Vance missed one game . They didn't throw him the ball either. This is a **** up by fichtner. We bring in an extra o lineman in banner, and still don't use the tight end..

Maybe bud is replaceable, but man when I see chickillo in there , he looks like he is a player for point park college . Id lock up bud on a tag, and I would be looking for a replacement in the draft. UG3 might be that guy. IDK. But not THIS year.

 

[Steelworth]

They still need a NT. I like Buggs potential at DE he can help replace Hargrave. But the team needs a capable fill in run stuffer.

I like Michael Pierce of the Ravens. He gave our OL fits last game and was undrafted out of Samford so he wouldn't break the bank. Christ, the coaches better be looking at guys like him with the way the Ravens dominated the trenches.

 

[Hoot]

I don't think barron is worth keeping around either. Coverage guy...Right? How many picks? How many great plays. I do remember one. That's it.
Vance missed one game . They didn't throw him the ball either. This is a **** up by fichtner. We bring in an extra o lineman in banner, and still don't use the tight end..

Maybe bud is replaceable, but man when I see chickillo in there , he looks like he is a player for point park college . Id lock up bud on a tag, and I would be looking for a replacement in the draft. UG3 might be that guy. IDK. But not THIS year.

More to being a cover guy than picks. Nelson locked down WR's all year but how many picks? Barron is better at coverage than run stuffing and the team needed that while Bush learns NFL coverage. Safety net will be gone though...Barron is an easy cut for the dollars.

lack of TE use this year was a real head scratcher. I get that due to the stacked box, they were afraid to go over the middle where TE's work a lot. But there are other ways to use yoru TE's. Out routes...split them wide...etc. It is possible that neither duck nor mr were willing to throw into traffic, but i think it was more play selection. just a guess, no way to tell without the play call sheets.

chick's contract was set up as insurance on Bud. chick played his last game here. about 5M savings iirc. agree with you on Bud tag and draft.

 

[milkman dan]

SB caliber teams have to be more in the knowing business than thinking. And we know he is unproven. With Bigben still around you have to approach the season with that frame of mine, the possibility of something great..

They can survive without Baron. You wouldn't be putting UG in a full time starter role. Baron spelled Bush and Vince mostly this season and it will probably be more a 2 man job than a committee. You want enough cap space to accommodate a franchise tag or possible 18mil Dupree salary? Gotta free up the space.

 

[Vader]

The main concern is getting Tomlin to 8 wins. Just like this year, next year will be all hands on deck. With Ben coming back and his door closing they'll do everything they can to win right now. They'll tag Dupree if they have too. They know they have 2 years and will do whatever it takes to win now.

 

[troymania]

Barron seemed like he was chasing RB, WR, TE ten yards after the catch. I think UG3 can handle it. Dupree is a tough one. He is going to want top dollar in any kind of negotiations. FT at 16 million for a year, wow makes my head hurt. All of this depends on a HOF 38 year old QB with a rebuilt throwing elbow and is due over 30 million this year. Jesus, at least the Pirates are in camp next month...............oh wait. Hey the Pens are still good despite not having Guentzel and Crosby...............oh wait. Anything wants to fall out the sky and crush me like a ******* bug, I'm waiting. Maybe Tomlin gets traded....................oh wait they hire Fitchner as the HC.

 

[Litos]

I'm less concerned about getting some kind of deal that fits under the cap next year then I am about the long term implications of the deal. Yes Ben will be off the books soon. But if you are competing with a veteran starter to bridge a rookie draft pick it still costs over 20 million. That money doesn't disappear unless it's just a stud Rookie and throw him in first season. Watt and Fitz are going to break the bank. I still don't know how we could dump more than 20 million in salary on AB and not have taken on another 13 per year in Bell and be in this situation. You gotta question the way this organization is being run.

The AB dead cap money Still is in the books for this season but it was already allotted for 2020 in both Haden's and Pouncey extensions,they invested 11.2M per season on Hadens extension and 11M more on Pouncey's so there are the 20M from AB for the upcoming season, generally speaking of course.

Then they invested 7.5M more in Nelson, 9M on the 5th year option of dupree, there you have the Bell's money. Signing up Haden, Nelson, Dupree and Pouncey (not so much but that's the cost of a top C and team leader) sounded like money well invested, if Ben were healthy this would be a SB contending team (coaches stupidity aside) so I think the FO invested the fuckups money in a very correct way.

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[mightyguru]

if they can keep dupree, that changes the whole offseason. It would then pretty much mean they could ignore defense in the draft unless a super value falls to them. They could concentrate of offense

If we sign Bud and cut Chick we are left with Tuzar Skipper and Ola. I like Skipper but I think we need another pass rusher.

So, O-line, RB and EDGE are the draft priorities IMHO.

 

[Coryea]

The article says it's not as tough to franchise him, it says signing him long term would be tough to do.
Cam and JuJu should get new contracts this season I believe. Cam has one more year, but they usually try to get that done before their final year and he's still playing at a high level.

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