Kushner delivered a hit list to the Saudi crown prince

[Ron Burgundy]

When our so-called president and his nepotist family fully support, protect and make excuses for cold-blooded assassins and murderers from other countries while raking in millions.

You mean like how the Dem leadership supported Fidel Castro and the Rooskies for decades and most of them think Che Guevera was a great guy?

 

[Tibs]

This is going swimmingly...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A top White House official responsible for American policy toward Saudi Arabia resigned on Friday evening, NYT reports. The official, Kirsten Fontenrose, had pushed for tough measures against the Saudi government. <a href="https://t.co/d5ks02fPBx">https://t.co/d5ks02fPBx</a></p>— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) <a href="https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1063941105744437248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Vader]

See no reply at all.

 

[hamster]

This is going swimmingly...
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See ya. Have a nice day.

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[jitter77]

Are the Saudis really the lesser of the 2 evils compared to Iran? I mean what has Iran really done to us. They talk a big game, but Saudis actually sent people here to crash planes into buildings. Saudis are more "Americanized", but that could work against us as well. I certainly would not trust any of them.

As for the killing it is definitely possible a rogue group went against the prince, but if that were the case i would think the prince would have had those people "dealt" with immediately. Also the amount of times the Saudis story changed was alarming. If it was a rogue group the prince could have just said something like " a rogue group committed a terrible act and will be dealt with swiftly" The most likely scenario is the prince was highly involved. If the CIA has any additional evidence i would think it is pretty conclusive that the prince was involved.

 

[Tibs]

See no reply at all.

I refuse to partake in whataboutism. That's all the Trump cult ever has in defense of Trump's actions. 'What about the Cuban missile crisis in 1962?' "What about that thing Clinton said at a fundraiser six years ago?" "What about President Franklin Pierce, he had a terrible approval rating in 1854?" "What about Gerald Ford pardoning Nixon, that was f'd up, wasn't it?"

And on and on, the never-ending cowardice of Trump apologists to respond directly to his deeds and actions. Right here, right now in 2018. I guess it's just not gonna happen. You choose to stick your fingers in your ears, your heads in the sand and simply ignore what is happening. I guess that's one way to go about it, denial and delusion, the calling card of the Trump base.

See ya. Have a nice day.

Sure thing buddy, you too.

 

[hamster]

Sure thing buddy, you too.

I was actually saying that to the women who resigned, and not you. But seeing that I will be heading out to the gun range in a few minutes, see ya.

 

[IndySteel]

Owning a gun is racist.









I have 5.

 

[hamster]

Are the Saudis really the lesser of the 2 evils compared to Iran? I mean what has Iran really done to us. They talk a big game, but Saudis actually sent people here to crash planes into buildings. Saudis are more "Americanized", but that could work against us as well. I certainly would not trust any of them.

As for the killing it is definitely possible a rogue group went against the prince, but if that were the case i would think the prince would have had those people "dealt" with immediately. Also the amount of times the Saudis story changed was alarming. If it was a rogue group the prince could have just said something like " a rogue group committed a terrible act and will be dealt with swiftly" The most likely scenario is the prince was highly involved. If the CIA has any additional evidence i would think it is pretty conclusive that the prince was involved.

Where ever you get your news from, you need to find new ones. Don't you remember the hostage crisis in the 70's? The Iranians have been fighting proxy wars against us and others all over the ME, which includes Hamas, Hesbollah, the Assad regime, Yemen.

As far as the Saudi's, they have one of the most oppressive, militantly Islamic societies in the world. I don't know where you get Americanized from.

And the CIA conclusion was based on speculation, not evidence.

Nothing about your post was accurate.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Are the Saudis really the lesser of the 2 evils compared to Iran? I mean what has Iran really done to us. They talk a big game, but Saudis actually sent people here to crash planes into buildings. Saudis are more "Americanized", but that could work against us as well. I certainly would not trust any of them.

The 9/11 hijackers were not here at the behest of the Saudi government. The Saudi royal family, who ARE the Saudi government, live a very un-Islamic lifestyle and everybody knows it. The royal family pays protection money to the madrassas and radical imams so they go after other people and groups and not the gravy train.

 

[jitter77]

Where ever you get your news from, you need to find new ones. Don't you remember the hostage crisis in the 70's? The Iranians have been fighting proxy wars against us and others all over the ME, which includes Hamas, Hesbollah, the Assad regime, Yemen.

As far as the Saudi's, they have one of the most oppressive, militantly Islamic societies in the world. I don't know where you get Americanized from.

And the CIA conclusion was based on speculation, not evidence.

Nothing about your post was accurate.

The 70s were almost 50 years ago. May as well include Germany in the axis of evil then. Also the Iranian hostage crisis did not take place in the USA. The other things you have mentioned are true, but as far as I am concerned those are more middle east dealings. I think Americans in general should stay out of those areas. There is no doubt Iran is "Evil" and hates America, but I just dont see them as a huge threat to the continental USA. As far as "Americanized" what I meant is more modern. They have the fancy hotels / airports / golf courses and tourism. I do not think many americans would want to take a vacation to Iran or North Korea for example. I also do not think Trump will be flying into Iran to meet with their leader anytime soon. Also the Prince claims to be moving toward "moderate" islam with more womens rights and eliminating extremism and what not. Whether that happens or not remains to be seen. When I think of Saudi Arabia I think of the saying "keep your friends close and your enemies closer." I feel that they may be playing us like a fiddle, but once again it remains to be seen.

 

[Vader]

I refuse to partake in whataboutism. That's all the Trump cult ever has in defense of Trump's actions. 'What about the Cuban missile crisis in 1962?' "What about that thing Clinton said at a fundraiser six years ago?" "What about President Franklin Pierce, he had a terrible approval rating in 1854?" "What about Gerald Ford pardoning Nixon, that was f'd up, wasn't it?"

And on and on, the never-ending cowardice of Trump apologists to respond directly to his deeds and actions. Right here, right now in 2018. I guess it's just not gonna happen. You choose to stick your fingers in your ears, your heads in the sand and simply ignore what is happening. I guess that's one way to go about it, denial and delusion, the calling card of the Trump base.

This isn't just about the past. That's you bringing a strawman into the argument because you won't answer for anything. You just throw bombs. Che Guevera is TODAY a big influence in socialist thinking. He's probably one of your heroes. But no answer from you about that. Castro's government is TODAY still in Cuba. But I'm sure you have no problem opening up relations with them. I guess it's ok to kiss one dictator's *** right? Yup, keep making excuses for brutal dictators. Democratic reps. are talking about nuking AMERICAN citizens TODAY. You ok with that? I guess so because he's a dem. so you'll make an excuse because that's what liberal cowards and sycophants do. Yes, put your fingers in your ears and pretend like none of this is happening.

Also you talked about Bush ad nauseam as well as Reagan etc.. so don't give me this whataboutism bullshit. You do it all the time.

Also there is still nothing wrong with pointing out hypocrisy. I have no issue dealing with past issues to help future understandings. But I'm sure the nuances of context and milieu of situations never enter into your thinking. You just want to talk about what you want to talk about. Never a straight answer only subversion and deflection.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

I have to admit; I don't care about this story. I am certain that democrats wouldn't either if Obama was president.

 

[hamster]

I have to admit; I don't care about this story. I am certain that democrats wouldn't either if Obama was president.

I care about the fact that an elected official is spewing uncorroborated bullshit on a national news show.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I have to admit; I don't care about this story. I am certain that democrats wouldn't either if Obama was president.

Bomma was always correct because he was 1) a Democrat and especially 2) black. The concept that He could be wrong was completely off the radar. If you disagreed with Him then you were a racist plain and simple and no further discussion was needed. That's partly what Identity Politics is. You are right or wrong based on who you are, not the merits of the issue.

 

[Aussie_Steeler]

I refuse to partake in whataboutism.

Really?????????????

Tibs, do you REALLY think this woman is intelligent enough for this position? That she can "help" her constituents?

Are we grading on a curve? There are so many dumbass congressmen, not sure she'd be anywhere close to being the dumbest in either chamber of Congress.

So what do you call this comment of yours from the Ocasio-Cortez thread??????? Irony?

 

[Tibs]

Really? So what do you call this comment of yours from the Ocasio-Cortez thread? Irony?

Great job professor, working all that out.

Why not answer the point of contention in this thread? Do you support the fact Trump is sugarcoating, defending and protecting the murderous leader of Saudi Arabia and his regime?

 

[Sarge]

Great job professor, working all that out.

Why not answer the point of contention in this thread? Do you support the fact Trump is sugarcoating, defending and protecting the murderous leader of Saudi Arabia and his regime?

No. I do not. Funny thing Tibs, you can support the President and be opposed to certain things he does. Sure, that sort of thing is getting harder and harder to find, but the same can be said of the left and their heroes. I don't agree with Trump on a lot of things. Most things, actually. As an adult, I can be critical of the things I do not like and still support the things I like.

That said, even if I find myself disagreeing with Trump, I will always be grateful to him for one thing. He saved us from the Clinton's. If I applaud him for nothing else, that alone makes him at least somewhat likeable.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

I care about the fact that an elected official is spewing uncorroborated bullshit on a national news show.

Yeah, me too. I was talking about the Khashoggi thing generally.

 

[DBS1970]

Great job professor, working all that out.

Why not answer the point of contention in this thread? Do you support the fact Trump is sugarcoating, defending and protecting the murderous leader of Saudi Arabia and his regime?

We are engaged in a proxy fight with Iran for the stability of the middle east. There are going to be unpleasant things done for the greater good. Kashoggi was a mouth piece for the Muslim Brotherhood a terror group supported by Iran and he probably needed killing.

 

[Superman]

Bomma was always correct because he was 1) a Democrat and especially 2) black. The concept that He could be wrong was completely off the radar. If you disagreed with Him then you were a racist plain and simple and no further discussion was needed. That's partly what Identity Politics is. You are right or wrong based on who you are, not the merits of the issue.

remember when the Left was tugging at their skirts over this? oh, the shrill screeches, the never-ending protests, the clutching of pearls...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/01/29/obamas_egyptian_blunder_129477.html

and

https://www.politico.com/story/2009/06/mubarak-praises-obama-speech-in-cairo-023656

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak on Thursday praised Barack Obama’s speech last week in Cairo, saying he appreciated the president’s new approach to addressing the Muslim world.

“Under the past administration, there was a feeling that the Islamic world was a group of terrorists, Islam was hated and Muslims should be watched and that the previous administration was scared of any Muslim,” Mubarak said in an interview with state television, according to Reuters.

“But Obama came and said, ‘We will not fight Muslims and Islam.’ He is a sympathetic man and says the United States will not fight Islam because Islam is a heavenly religion,” he said.

 

[Tibs]

Trump does not represent America or American values. He's unfit for office and should be impeached immediately. In practical terms, Russia and Saudi Arabia are running American foreign policy. These are dire times and there will be dire consequences.

Top Republicans slam Trump for statement backing Saudi Arabia
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/20/...a11FmzTL0DG3NNXRGoZ1SKZNMJ7MAf4bxN1XApvnpLs8c

Top Senate Republicans slammed President Donald Trump for his statement backing Saudi Arabia in the wake of the death and dismemberment of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

The chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Tennessee Republican Sen. Bob Corker, tweeted Tuesday, "I never thought I'd see the day a White House would moonlight as a public relations firm for the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia."

The criticism follows an official statement the White House released Tuesday, under the subject line "Statement from President Donald J. Trump on Standing with Saudi Arabia.""Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event -- maybe he did and maybe he didn't!" Trump writes.

Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, voiced his disagreement with the President, and tweeted, "The President indicates that Saudi Arabia is the lesser two evils compared to Iran and so the US won't punish Saudi Arabia for the brutal killing and dismemberment of a dissident journalist in their consulate."

"We should, at the very least, NOT reward Saudi Arabia with our sophisticated armaments that they in turn use to bomb civilians," Paul continued.

He also said of the statement released today by the President, "I'm pretty sure this statement is Saudi Arabia First, not America First," and speculated that national security adviser John Bolton wrote the statement.

Former 2012 Republican presidential nominee and now Utah Senator-elect Mitt Romney, tweeted: "America can't excuse & minimize the brutal & gruesome murder of Jamal Khashoggi, a US resident & columnist. Our country is defined by human values, by principle above convenience, & by commitment to morality."

And there you have it, the engravings on the tombstone of the Republican Party. First hijacked, then completetely destroyed by Donald J. Trump. RIP.

 

[ark steel]

This is the Saudi culture why are we condemning it instead of taking the time to try to understand them better?

 

[ark steel]

Trump does not represent America or American values. He's unfit for office and should be impeached immediately. In practical terms, Russia and Saudi Arabia are running American foreign policy. These are dire times and there will be dire consequences.

Top Republicans slam Trump for statement backing Saudi Arabia
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/20/...a11FmzTL0DG3NNXRGoZ1SKZNMJ7MAf4bxN1XApvnpLs8c







And there you have it, the engravings on the tombstone of the Republican Party. First hijacked, then completetely destroyed by Donald J. Trump. RIP.

Shouldn't that make you happy?

 

[IndySteel]

Tibs, you are one deranged, stupid and gullible ************. You have no clue. How does it feel to be wrong about everything? I bet you’re suicidal at times. That must suck.


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