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Man am I glad I'm an Atheist....and not raised Catholic in Pennsylvania

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Pennsylvania grand jury report accuses more than 300 ‘predator priests’ of molesting kids


Church leaders are also accused of working to cover up the abuse, which took place over a period of several decades.

Melanie Schmitz
Aug 14, 2018, 2:55 pm

The true religion of peace....well getting a kid piece anyway. Sick.

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Pennsylvania grand jury report has accused more than 300 “predator priests” of molesting children across six Roman Catholic dioceses.

According to the report, which was made public on Tuesday, the “real” number may be “much higher,” as many victims were allegedly afraid to come forward, and some records may have been lost.

So far, more than 1,000 victims — boys, girls, teens, and pre-pubescent children — have been identified.

The abuse allegedly took place over a span of several decades, the Associated Press reported.

Senior church leaders were also accused of working to cover up the abuse, Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro said.

“The abuse was rampant and widespread,” Shapiro said during a press conference Tuesday. “It touched every diocese and it is horrifying.”

He also described a “systematic coverup by senior church officials in Pennsylvania and at the Vatican.”

The report reveals how the priests allegedly identified those “groomed” for abuse and easily manipulated by giving the children large, gold crosses to mark them, according to PennLive. It also details how the children were taken on “trips,” during which they were repeatedly raped by the priests. The abused children were allegedly given gifts afterward.

Several priests are also accused of manufacturing and distributing child pornography.

When senior church officials learned of the abuse, the report states, little to nothing was done to alert the proper authorities. Instead, the abusers were often transferred to new parishes, where they continued molesting children.

he report is the culmination of a two-year long grand jury investigation that was largely shrouded in secrecy, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported. According to the outlet, over the course of the investigation, “dozens of victims” were interviewed in a grand jury room in Pennsylvania, where they “faced a group of strangers, and recounted how they were sexually abused as children by Catholic priests, their rapes and molestation buried by church leaders.”

In many cases, jurors said, “[the] abuse [was] too old to be prosecuted.”

Survivors of that abuse nonetheless testified that coming forward had been both “cathartic” and traumatic, but also pleaded with jurors to make the findings public.

Several priests previously sued to block the report’s release, and the Pennsylvania Supreme Court initially agreed to keep the findings private, indefinitely. However, less than a week later, the court explained it needed time to review the petitioners’ complaint, which claimed releasing the report publicly would infringe on their constitutional rights.

“[…] The petitioners alleged that they are named or identified in [the report] in a way that unconstitutionally infringes on their right to reputation and denies them due process based upon the lack of a pre-deprivation hearing and/or an opportunity to be heard by the grand jury,” the court wrote, explaining its earlier decision.

The court eventually allowed the report to be released, albeit with redacted identifying information, hiding the names of the alleged abusers. On Tuesday, it was finally made public.

According to the Inquirer, several victims said they viewed “even the redacted report’s release as a vindication they thought might never come.”

The report also comes as the Roman Catholic Church struggles to rebuild its tarnished image in the wake of wider sex abuse scandals.

As the Washington Post noted this week, the allegations have thrown into question Pope Francis’s handling of abuse more broadly. “The pope’s track record has been mixed, something some outsiders attribute to his learning curve or shortcomings and others chalk up to resistance from a notoriously change-averse institution,” the Post’s Michelle Boorstein, Chico Harlan, and Reis Thebault reported.

The report also follows closely on the heels of Cardinal Theodore McCarrick’s removal from public ministry by the Holy See on June 20, after being accused of molesting both children and adults for several decades. In July, Pope Francis ordered McCarrick, who previously served as archbishop of Washington, D.C., to resign himself to a life of seclusion, prayer, and penance, “until the accusations made against him are examined in a regular canonical trial.”

https://thinkprogress.org/pennsylva...-priests-molestation-abuse-kids-f24826a5f25e/
 
I was raised Catholic in Pennsylvania, and I am utterly disgusted by this. Also, I am not shocked. The problem is with recruiting celibate single men as priests.....a recipe for disaster.

That's not the response elfie was trying to elicit. Anyone else want to disagree and defend child molesting priests? No? I didn't think so. Sorry elfie, a swing and a miss. Nice breeze though.
 
Ignoring elfie's intentions.

This is sick. Always figure with the catholic religion cause as hamster said,
celibate single men. Decades of being pedo's is gonna give the catholics an even bigger black eye.

This is sick
 
I just got done watching The Keepers on Netflix. Then there’s Spotlight and now this Pennsylvania scandal. How many victims are there that we don’t know about worldwide? Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands?

And why are Sandusky and Nasir and the Ohio State scandals huge, ongoing national news stories while the Catholic Church scandals seem to come and go with little outrage?
 
I just got done watching The Keepers on Netflix. Then there’s Spotlight and now this Pennsylvania scandal. How many victims are there that we don’t know about worldwide? Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands?

And why are Sandusky and Nasir and the Ohio State scandals huge, ongoing national news stories while the Catholic Church scandals seem to come and go with little outrage?
How much power does the catholic church have?
Think they have any say in media portrayal?


I hope this story circulates even bigger. Pedophalia needs to stop.
 
I was raised Catholic in Pennsylvania, and I am utterly disgusted by this. Also, I am not shocked. The problem is with recruiting celibate single men as priests.....a recipe for disaster.

The problem is the religion. Pedophilia is sanctioned by the god of the bible.

You should read it...it's pretty sick itself.

And let's not forget 81% of evangelical douchebags voted for the Predator in Chief.

Knowing he's a serial philanderer, thief, liar, misogynist, and all around scumbag......enough said about the "moral majority" Protestant or Catholic.
 
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The problem is the religion. Pedophilia is sanctioned by the god of the bible.

You should read it...it's pretty sick itself.

And let's not forget 81% of evangelical douchebags voted for the Predator in Chief.

Knowing he's a serial philanderer, thief, liar, misogynist, and all around scumbag......enough said about the "moral majority" Protestant or Catholic.

How could I forget the crown jewel; also a racist.
 
I was raised Catholic in Pennsylvania. In Pittsburgh to be exact. Looking at that list it encompasses virtually every parish in Pittsburgh. Somehow the small one I grew up in escaped (as far as we know) but not the ones my mother, father, grandparents, aunts,uncles and cousins grew up in. Really, I think about our pastor and how he would take us 7th and 8th graders on retreats to his cabin in Seven Springs and I can't help but wonder what might have been going on there. Maybe he's totally innocent and it's sad that I have to even think about that. Those were wonderful experiences for me, but maybe not for everyone. Truly sickening. My heart breaks for every single child that has had their innocence stolen from them.

I've known wonderful priests who've supported my family in some of the most difficult times, but we can't put our heads in the sand anymore and say that this is just a small percentage of priests. The celibacy policy has to change. People need to be held accountable.

I can't deny that while I've been a practicing Catholic for a long time, these last few years have been very hard. I see so much good being done in my local parish and globally but it's a real crisis of faith for me. I don't really want to continue to support this institution that hasn't done anywhere near enough to solve this problem. Yet not supporting my parish means not supporting the homeless people we feed, the daycare and meals we provide for poor children, the help we give to single moms and their babies, the values that my children have lived and learned through growing up in our church.

It's very sad for me, but I may have to move on from it.

So enjoy your gloat Elfie, I know this whole thing fills you with glee. Glee at the expense of a lot of really amazing people.
 
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The problem is the religion. Pedophilia is sanctioned by the god of the bible.

You should read it...it's pretty sick itself.

And let's not forget 81% of evangelical douchebags voted for the Predator in Chief.

Knowing he's a serial philanderer, thief, liar, misogynist, and all around scumbag......enough said about the "moral majority" Protestant or Catholic.

Christians voted for Trump because Dems reject religion. Duh.

My wife is an Orthodox Christian. Their priests can marry, provided they do that before ordained, They don't have this problem.

Your hate transcends your ability to reason.
 
As a non Catholic and someone who isn't very religious, I don't have a dog in this fight philosophically. I find it sick and disturbing that someone trusted to be around kids would take advantage of them in any walk of life. .

I do however find it hilarious that when Elfie's initial post backfired and he got the opposite effect he was looking for, he instantly tried to raise the stakes and strike out at ALL religions instead of just Catholicism. Just looking for that reaction you so desperately crave no matter what you have to say. Attention whoring score is a 100% on this one. Well done.
 
I was raised Catholic in Pennsylvania, and I am utterly disgusted by this. Also, I am not shocked. The problem is with recruiting celibate single men as priests.....a recipe for disaster.

My take for a long time has been that many times homos become priests for cover so they don't have to explain why they're not married.
 
There's a deep place in hell for those so called men of God who betray those who they should be protecting. Children are pure and innocent. I'd crucify every single last one involved. I'm shocked some father hasn't gone full Rambo on these guys. Hundreds of them....hundreds or thousands more covering. I just don't have words to convey how ****** up and evil this is.
 
I was raised Catholic in Pennsylvania. In Pittsburgh to be exact. Looking at that list it encompasses virtually every parish in Pittsburgh. Somehow the small one I grew up in escaped (as far as we know) but not the ones my mother, father, grandparents, aunts,uncles and cousins grew up in. Really, I think about our pastor and how he would take us 7th and 8th graders on retreats to his cabin in Seven Springs and I can't help but wonder what might have been going on there. Maybe he's totally innocent and it's sad that I have to even think about that. Those were wonderful experiences for me, but maybe not for everyone. Truly sickening. My heart breaks for every single child that has had their innocence stolen from them.

I've known wonderful priests who've supported my family in some of the most difficult times, but we can't put our heads in the sand anymore and say that this is just a small percentage of priests. The celibacy policy has to change. People need to be held accountable.

I can't deny that while I've been a practicing Catholic for a long time, these last few years have been very hard. I see so much good being done in my local parish and globally but it's a real crisis of faith for me. I don't really want to continue to support this institution that hasn't done anywhere near enough to solve this problem. Yet not supporting my parish means not supporting the homeless people we feed, the daycare and meals we provide for poor children, the help we give to single moms and their babies, the values that my children have lived and learned through growing up in our church.

It's very sad for me, but I may have to move on from it.

So enjoy your gloat Elfie, I know this whole thing fills you with glee. Glee at the expense of a lot of really amazing people.

I take no glee in this. My anger at religion centers around how much it's held us back in our collective progress, and how many deaths and suffering they are responsible for through the ages.

Other posters and you have hit the nail on the head though when it comes to priests and how the rule on not allowing them to marry caused the church to become a haven for pedophile gay men. Nothing against all the good priests who have truly tried to make a positive difference in the world, but that one backwards rule has caused so much suffering.

I still think though that when you weigh the good and the bad concerning religion...it needs to go.
 
I take no glee in this. My anger at religion centers around how much it's held us back in our collective progress, and how many deaths and suffering they are responsible for through the ages.

Other posters and you have hit the nail on the head though when it comes to priests and how the rule on not allowing them to marry caused the church to become a haven for pedophile gay men. Nothing against all the good priests who have truly tried to make a positive difference in the world, but that one backwards rule has caused so much suffering.

I still think though that when you weigh the good and the bad concerning religion...it needs to go.

Define religion, because you worshipping at the alter of liberal dogma fits every category...


People have beliefs... its not wrong and the only thing that restricts human growth is when we don’t permit people to follow those beliefs... thats a staple this country was founded on... atheists shoving their beliefs down everyones throats is just as wrong as any other forced conversation... every major organization gets corrupted because human nature is selfish, greedy, and devious... but much as people will point out that its a small fragment of muslums that commit terrorism and a small fragment of the black community that commit crimes, its equally a small fragment of priests that commit these atrocities...

There are way more good priests that do great things than evil corrupt ones...

And i am the biggest critic of the catholic church, its dogmas, and its history... its more a political entity than a church... but still people have every right to belong to it if they want... your viewpoint is skewered as always....
 
With all of their Satanic imagery, evil doings, idolatry, virtue signaling propoganda, i think they're playing for the other team imo. Are there Catholics who are good people? Of course there are.
 
...but much as people will point out that its a small fragment of muslums that commit terrorism and a small fragment of the black community that commit crimes, its equally a small fragment of priests that commit these atrocities...

But it’s not. There aren’t 300 Islamic terrorist who committed atrocities in the state of Pennsylvania alone. And there are a lot more Muslims than priests. Much larger numerator / much smaller denominator.
 
and it is all somehow tied to Trump. Trump. Trump. Trump. Everything bad is his fault. Trump. Trump. Trump. All day, everyday!
 
But it’s not. There aren’t 300 Islamic terrorist who committed atrocities in the state of Pennsylvania alone. And there are a lot more Muslims than priests. Much larger numerator / much smaller denominator.

Thats 300 priests over 70 years... its something like 2 to 3 percent... it sounds huge but its kind of in line with typical human scum percentages... and you really underplay the amount of Muslim terrorism that goes on.. the uk is up to 15 acid attacks per week.. small attacks get swept under the rug just like most child molestation cases.. this is just big news because it has the catholic church tied to it.. and again, me and the vatican are not exactly friendly... I just think this is a narrow narrative that ignores a much larger problem to specifically attack a politically charged religious group... there are a lot more pedophiles than just a small number of priests...
 
I think my priest was straight. They say he was banging the church administrator. She was mean as hell and looked like that Prince Valiant thing in the other thread. Hmm, maybe he wasn't straight. I left the Catholic church after my divorce because the annulment process is a money grab racket. And who are they to tell me I can't take communion until my marriage is annulled? **** you. And the commie pope sucks.
 
A sickening story.
 
so raping children is now not a-ok by elfie?
when will we hear the admonishment from elf regarding the muslim child rapists? or the child sex traffickers bringing their prey across the border, forcing them to act as a family unit?
 
so raping children is now not a-ok by elfie?
when will we hear the admonishment from elf regarding the muslim child rapists? or the child sex traffickers bringing their prey across the border, forcing them to act as a family unit?

Don't hold your breath on that one.
 
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