Mason is back

[Confluence]

horseshit.

He started mitch, because he couldnt be proven wrong not to play the guy he went after.

That is also true and also demonstrates Tomlin's judgment on Rudy.

This shows, like last season did, that Tomlin has a need to have a disposable QB to take the blame after a late season slide.

 

[steel dino]

Tomlin will go 10-7 with Mason starting and be in the running for coach of the year.

And if that happens..
It would be a Well deserved accolade..and minor miracle..

 

[FordFairLane]

Fields was offered starter money, Mason back-up money, because that's what he is... a back up. He better have the better price tag.

I just read on this very site that the Steelers are comfortable with Rudolph going into the season as the impending starter.

Obviously, they would bring in a couple more qbs between free agency and the draft but I don’t see Fields putting 5x more points on the board over Rudolph. Maybe you do.

 

[insaniti]

I just read on this very site that the Steelers are comfortable with Rudolph going into the season as the impending starter.

Obviously, they would bring in a couple more qbs between free agency and the draft but I don’t see Fields putting 5x more points on the board over Rudolph. Maybe you do.

They are comfortable there because they have to be, they put themselves in a ****** spot. They don't have any other choice at this point but to be comfortable with Rudolph starting. The issue isn't if he'll put up 5x the amount of points, I mean that's just a dumb statement. Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and any other franchise QB on a monster contract didn't put up 5x as many points as we did last year, but they were 5x better at QB.

Had we signed Fields, they still would have looked at Rudolph and possibly signed him as well. This wasn't an either or situation is my point. If it were, we wouldn't be sitting here waiting on Rodgers decision, we'd have moved on and signed someone else to back up Rudolph.

 

[FordFairLane]

They are comfortable there because they have to be, they put themselves in a ****** spot. They don't have any other choice at this point but to be comfortable with Rudolph starting. The issue isn't if he'll put up 5x the amount of points, I mean that's just a dumb statement. Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and any other franchise QB on a monster contract didn't put up 5x as many points as we did last year, but they were 5x better at QB.

Had we signed Fields, they still would have looked at Rudolph and possibly signed him as well. This wasn't an either or situation is my point. If it were, we wouldn't be sitting here waiting on Rodgers decision, we'd have moved on and signed someone else to back up Rudolph.

You know what they weren’t comfortable with. Giving Fields 21 million a season.

Rudolph starting isn’t ideal but I prefer him and Dart at that price point vs A-A-Ron at 45 million or Fields at 20+ million. If we don’t spend the 50 million in cap room we can carry that over and it makes resigning GP way easier.

 

[insaniti]

I'm not saying it's gonna be peanuts, but the number of 45m for Rodgers was shot down already. And the only thing I don't like about the cost of Dart, is what we'll lose having to take him in the first by not having the 2nd. I'm still hoping for a trade down in the first and try to pick up a second. Might make it easier to digest them taking Dart in the first. Which they could still do even with Rodgers.

 

[Drink IRON City]

They are comfortable there because they have to be, they put themselves in a ****** spot. They don't have any other choice at this point but to be comfortable with Rudolph starting. The issue isn't if he'll put up 5x the amount of points, I mean that's just a dumb statement. Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and any other franchise QB on a monster contract didn't put up 5x as many points as we did last year, but they were 5x better at QB.

Had we signed Fields, they still would have looked at Rudolph and possibly signed him as well. This wasn't an either or situation is my point. If it were, we wouldn't be sitting here waiting on Rodgers decision, we'd have moved on and signed someone else to back up Rudolph.

It’s amazing to the extreme of what some will say to justify their “ settlement” of a situation.

Mason was only signed because of the situation the Steelers put themselves in. No where prior to the predicament had there been any conversations of them hoping to get Mason as a backup QB.

Great post insaniti.!


Salute the nation

 

[Litos]

what I think we will miss from Fields compared to Rudolph is his running ability in the redzone, that made him a double threat which helped a lot when you aren't a stellar QB that can read short area coverages and make correct split second decisions.

 

[FordFairLane]

I'm not saying it's gonna be peanuts, but the number of 45m for Rodgers was shot down already. And the only thing I don't like about the cost of Dart, is what we'll lose having to take him in the first by not having the 2nd. I'm still hoping for a trade down in the first and try to pick up a second. Might make it easier to digest them taking Dart in the first. Which they could still do even with Rodgers.

We don’t know exactly what the official offer Khan made to A-A-Ron is but it’s going to be way north of 4 million.
If we can land Dart at 21 it all depends on what he does. Personally, I think someone jumps us and grabs him before 21. But lets say he’s there and becomes the next A-A-Ron. Would you be upset about the cost? So it’s all relevant. If he ends up being a stud and hall of famer then using our 1st and 3rd would be a steal. If he ends up on the Browns in 3 years then I’d say he’s a bust.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I'm not saying it's gonna be peanuts, but the number of 45m for Rodgers was shot down already. And the only thing I don't like about the cost of Dart, is what we'll lose having to take him in the first by not having the 2nd. I'm still hoping for a trade down in the first and try to pick up a second. Might make it easier to digest them taking Dart in the first. Which they could still do even with Rodgers.

They better do something, even with rogers as otherwise they will be right here exact same spot next season.

I also think Justin Fields gave them the double single-finger salute as he walked on by to the jets.

I’m not saying there couldn’t have more money offered, but Justin made his mind up pretty fast and we don’t know for sure if he even gave the Steelers a chance to counter.

I see the double whammy of no QB plan so having to settle for a 42,000 yr old and a forced QB draft pick.



Salute the nation

 

[insaniti]

We don’t know exactly what the official offer Khan made to A-A-Ron is but it’s going to be way north of 4 million.
If we can land Dart at 21 it all depends on what he does. Personally, I think someone jumps us and grabs him before 21. But lets say he’s there and becomes the next A-A-Ron. Would you be upset about the cost? So it’s all relevant. If he ends up being a stud and hall of famer then using our 1st and 3rd would be a steal. If he ends up on the Browns in 3 years then I’d say he’s a bust.

If he costs us a first and third, then we are screwed. And it doesn't matter how much potential he has because the team will have massive holes and the blame will be thrown at Dart. Missing that second rounder is already going to be tricky. The chances of us hitting on him and someone in 4-7 with needs at DL, CB, TE, OL, and RB, that's a tough ask. It's why I'm so confused with their FA strategy thus far.

 

[TDX27]

Even if they trade back, I'm not sure they would even get a 2nd rounder. They'd probably have to go back to 30 to 32 to even hope for a 2nd would be my guess but I don't know the values. I can see getting a 4th and even a 3rd depending how far back we go.

 

[insaniti]

Even if they trade back, I'm not sure they would even get a 2nd rounder. They'd probably have to go back to 30 to 32 to even hope for a 2nd would be my guess but I don't know the values. I can see getting a 4th and even a 3rd depending how far back we go.

It also depends on who is there at our pick. If any of the three WR are there, you might be able to get KC to bite, definitely if there's a top OT prospect available. They have a late 2nd and early 3rd (63 and 66), I would consider that a win and close enough.

The more this free agency period moves, the likelihood of them even thinking of drafting a guy like Grant in the first seems to go away. At which point, if they go after a true NT, it's prob not until the 4th or 5th round. Maybe a guy like Jordan Philips or Jamaree Caldwell, but then again they brought in Yaya Black for a visit (there is no pass rush with him at all) so maybe not even until the 6th or 7th. I had high hopes for this draft, but I feel I'm going to be underwhelmed with the picks.

They traded for DK, but they are still bringing in WR like Savion Williams, Jayden Higgins, who are the same type of WR that DK and GP are. I haven't seen any planned visits with any DB's, so are they completely sold on Trice and Bishop? Having your secondary rest on a 34 yr old CB who showed signs of slowing and an oft injured prospect doesn't exactly gleam confidence to me.

 

[Confluence]

what I think we will miss from Fields compared to Rudolph is his running ability in the redzone, that made him a double threat which helped a lot when you aren't a stellar QB that can read short area coverages and make correct split second decisions.

Does that also mean Rudy does not have the Tush for the Steelers to Push in short yardage situations?

 

[Ye Black Knight]

I’m starting to believe that the plan is just start Mason all season and hope for only 3-4 wins and draft Arch Manning Jr in front of the Yinzers on draft day in The Burgh next year..

And I am perfectly fine with that scenario coming to fruition..

If that’s the plan that is fine. As long as Tomlin isn’t part of it. New quarterback AND head coach. Start fresh.

 

[Gildong Sack]

For being a jerk, alot of former teammates and both his coaches have come on his podcast when they have no reason to go on there, they all seem to have a good time on there.

If Ben came out and said, it's not my job to teach a rookie QB anything, everyone would've killed him, but it's not cocky for Mason to brush off getting to work with a HOF QB. Most rookie QB's would say they're excited to work with and learn from a HOF guy. The Steelers knew Ben wasn't retiring, if they really thought he was retiring they would've taken someone better than Mason Rudolph.

Of course Ben was a jerk alot of the time, the majority of pro athletes are, I see players every single year at Latrobe blow off kids for autographs. Tom Brady left his pregnant girlfriend for Gisele, Ray Lewis helped murder a guy, they're on TV, the list goes on and on, there aren't many Sidney Crosby's out there.

I agree with you on most of that. Ben is not the only athlete who has had their ego get out of control or been an *******. I just draw the line at being nasty toward kids. The podcast guests want to be relevant again that's why they go on there. You don't see anybody lining up for the Moats podcast do you? Even though he's a great guy he doesn't have the fame Ben has, and with it the viewers.

 

[Gildong Sack]

You're timeline is horribly wrong. The only time Ben flirted with retirement was after the 2016 season. The year Rudolph was drafted, Ben didn't hesitate in saying he was coming back during his post game press conference after the final game of the season. He said "I've got another year on my contract, and as long as 53 is back, I'll be back" He then signed a 2 year extension 2 days before the draft.

It wasn't damage control, it was the truth. They didn't need Rudolph at that spot and could have used any number of players that could have filled holes in the roster over a back-up QB. It's one thing to hate on a player based on personal opinion, and you're more than welcome to have that opinion, but at least try to use the truth.

My timeline is wrong?

If you're wondering why the Steelers selected a quarterback during the third round of this year's NFL Draft, all you have to do is rewind back to last offseason.

Back in March 2017, the Steelers had no idea who their quarterback of the future was going to be, and that's because Ben Roethlisberger was contemplating retirement. During the 2017 offseason, Roethlisberger came out of nowhere and admitted that he wasn't sure if he was ever going to play again.

Obviously, Roethlisberger did end up playing in 2017, but things have't really changed much this offseason. Although there was a report in January that indicated that Big Ben would be playing at least three more years, Roethlsberger shot that down later in the month when he was actually asked about it.

"I'm just playing it one year at a time," Roethlisberger said. "I'm excited to come back next year. I know Ed [Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette] said that he heard that some guys said something about me playing for another three years. I'm not going to look past one year. I'm going to look forward to next year and give it everything I have."


Basically, if you're the Steelers and you read that comment, then all you can be sure of is that Roethlisberger is committed to playing one more year, which is why the team thought it was necessary to draft Mason Rudolph: They needed to know they had someone in place in case Roethlisberger decided to retire after 2018.

Well, guess what? We now know that's definitely not going to happen. The Steelers' decision to draft Rudolph must have sent Big Ben's competitive juices into overdrive because the Steelers quarterback is no longer being coy about his future. As a matter of fact, it's the total opposite.

In his first interview since the Rudolph pick, Roethlisberger revealed some surprising information: He now wants to play three-to-five more years.


Here was Roethlisberger's reaction on Tuesday, when he was asked about the prospect of Rudolph eventually taking over as the starting quarterback in Pittsburgh.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-pick-of-mason-rudolph-seems-to-have-lit-a-fire-under-ben-roethlisberger/

 

[Gildong Sack]

You're timeline is horribly wrong. The only time Ben flirted with retirement was after the 2016 season. The year Rudolph was drafted, Ben didn't hesitate in saying he was coming back during his post game press conference after the final game of the season. He said "I've got another year on my contract, and as long as 53 is back, I'll be back" He then signed a 2 year extension 2 days before the draft.

It wasn't damage control, it was the truth. They didn't need Rudolph at that spot and could have used any number of players that could have filled holes in the roster over a back-up QB. It's one thing to hate on a player based on personal opinion, and you're more than welcome to have that opinion, but at least try to use the truth.

Much like music: don't confuse the art with the artist. I don't hate Ben at all because of an opinion, I don't like him because of what I personally witnessed. And it corroborates what many in the Pittsburgh area including business people have said about him. That's all.

 

[topseed]

Obviously, they would bring in a couple more qbs between free agency and the draft but I don’t see Fields putting 5x more points on the board over Rudolph. Maybe you do.

What an asinine attempt at equivalence.

According to your logic, Dak Prescott should've put up six times more points than Jayden Daniels or CJ Stroud last season.

Just stop.

 

[topseed]

this might be true. But i still think at this point ,, Rudolph has as good a chance as A aron.

I doubt it. Rodgers is still good enough to be a starting NFL quarterback. Rudolph is not -- he has proven to be nothing more than a solid backup. But Mason may very well end up getting a chance to prove you right, depending how this fiasco plays out. I'd almost prefer that scenario at this point.

 

[FordFairLane]

What an asinine attempt at equivalence.

According to your logic, Dak Prescott should've put up six times more points than Jayden Daniels or CJ Stroud last season.

Just stop.

What an asinine attempt at equivalence.

Those are rookie contracts.

Just stop.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

I doubt it. Rodgers is still good enough to be a starting NFL quarterback. Rudolph is not -- he has proven to be nothing more than a solid backup. But Mason may very well end up getting a chance to prove you right, depending how this fiasco plays out. I'd almost prefer that scenario at this point.

90 mil vs 4 mil.

90 mil,, or whatever its astronomical and its probably for 1 year.. The guy is 41!

 

[Aussie_Steeler]

90 mil vs 4 mil.

90 mil,, or whatever its astronomical and its probably for 1 year.. The guy is 41!

I'd give Rodgers $45m per year - $15m base + $7.5m for winning the number 1 seed and $7.5m for each playoff win. Win the Super Bowl and he gets his $45m.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

And he will give you the finger

 

[topseed]

What an asinine attempt at equivalence.

Those are rookie contracts.

Just stop.

I'm not the one who started relating QB salaries directly with expected point production. Any attempt to pretend that concept is legitimate is just plainly stupid. Like a lot of the shlt that you post.