I look at it this way....Now if the defense doesn't improve by years end someone at the top HAS to go. And we all know it won't be shades.
This puts the pressure squarely on Butler.
This puts the pressure squarely on Butler.
Minkah Fitzpatrick - Worth a high pick?
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Guess I am in the minority on this. We gave up a likely top 10 pick. That doesn't make me happy about the trade at all. We will need a pass rusher next year and have no top pick. We need a WR as well. I realize that Davis has a torn labrum and is a walk free agent. Not sure how to process this since this doesn't fit the mold of our front office. Maybe that's the good thing.
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Until next year at draft time when it could blow up in their faces, bold decision or delusional?
The Steelers make a respectably bold trade which also happens to be delusional
The Minkah Fitzpatrick trade could go terribly wrong for the Steelers. We may witness a comically bold blowup in Pittsburgh.
If they lose a lot of games — which they seem destined to do after Roethlisberger’s injury — it’s a bad trade. If they win games, the trade is a relative success. But is Fitzpatrick really worth the risk?
If quarterback Mason Rudolph (and Fitzpatrick) can’t win games for Pittsburgh in 2019, the Steelers’ first-round pick will be atop the draft, where they could have picked their quarterback of the future — or a versatile, shutdown defensive back like Fitzpatrick. Instead, the Dolphins could get a chance to do just that.
Maybe the selection has the potential to be a bust, whereas Fitzpatrick has proven he’s an NFL-caliber defender. But maybe that selection plays quarterback and helps carry the Steelers franchise into the future. And even if Pittsburgh is comfortable with Rudolph as their franchise quarterback of the future — which would be unlikely in this hypothetical scenario where they’re picking at the top of the draft — they could pick a player at another position. And that player would enter 2020 with five years left on his deal. Fitzpatrick will only have three going into 2020.
It’s a bold strategy. You might even find a way to respect the move for the Steelers’ brazen confidence. But it’s easy to look at this trade as delusional. It could get ugly after Roethlisberger’s injury and the recent departures of Antonio Brown and Le’Veon Bell. Frankly, it’s likely to get ugly.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/09/steelers-minkah-fitzpatrick-delusional-trade
well, the best thing to do is to just win and make our first rounder as low of a first rounder as possible.
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I know. Just stating my preference in an imaginary world where everyone knows Tomlin sucks.
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That article is nonsense. It even states that the steelers could be looking to draft a DB next year and that guy could be a bust whereas Fitzpatrick is a known quantity. So there you go. Steelers did just draft a DB with their 2020 1st round pick.
The big criticism seems to be that this means the steelers won’t be able to draft a franchise QB next year. This makes 2 huge assumptions. 1 that the steelers will be horrible this year and have a top 10 pick in 2020, and 2 that there actually are franchise QBs worthy of top 10 picks in 2020.
I don’t agree with either of those assumptions.
Most of these people claiming this will cost the steelers a shot at a franchise QB probably can’t even name a college QB other than Tua who will be in the 20 draft.
The Oregon QB Herbert - no thanks.
Clemson Trevor Lawrence - not eligible until 21 draft
Georgia - Jake Fromm - I don’t think he’s a better prospect than Rudolph. He’s good not great. GA should have ditched him for Justin Fields
so go ahead. Name me this great QB in the 20 draft that this trade cost the steelers.
Same with DBs. Fitzpatrick is as good or better than any DB who would have been available at their pick.
Don’t forget, the steelers already have scouting reports on many of the 2020 prospects. They are well aware of the group of guys that will be available next year and they deemed Fitzpatrick better. I don’t disagree.
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Nobody says you have to take anyone at that spot
With all the teams needing QB's the Steelers could have traded that top 10, top 5 pick.... and moved down for even MORE picks - to fill their offense depleted of playmakers
All the eggs in Mason's basket, talk about a risky move
The Steelers' 2020 pick has a 29 percent chance to be among the top five and a 62% chance to be in the top 10, according to ESPN's Football Power Index.
With all the teams needing QB's the Steelers could have traded that top 10, top 5 pick.... and moved down for even MORE picks - to fill their offense depleted of playmakers
All the eggs in Mason's basket, talk about a risky move
The Steelers' 2020 pick has a 29 percent chance to be among the top five and a 62% chance to be in the top 10, according to ESPN's Football Power Index.
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Don’t stop there, maybe they could have traded that pick for Pat Mahomes. Those morons.
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Tell me the risk. Without spinning into fantasy land where the steelers would have had a top 5 pick and then parlay that into 4 hall of famers.
which means absolutely nothing....
Quit the 2DL base ****, sound gap awareness and learn how to ******* tackle.
If Miami wins one game, I will be shocked. If the Bengals win more than 3, I will be shocked. If the Donks win more than 4, I will be shocked. If the Jaguars win more than 5, I will be shocked. If the Jets win more than 6, I will be shocked.
That's just the AFC.
So Miami 0-16. I was curious who's gone 0-16 in league history and it was the Browns in 2017 and the Lions in 2008, & that's it.
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He will, it will just be in 2025.
Giants, Foreskins, Lions and Cards in NFC....
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The article says it was bad because we could draft someone next year for 5 years, but in reality it is 4 not counting the rookie year. This gives the Steelers 4 years on a somewhat proven player. In my book 4 years on a proven commodity is better than 4-5 in a gamble.
I follow baseball more zealously than I do football. Hard to believe, right, given my vast knowledge of football? Anyway, the strain a pitcher puts on his elbow while pitching is VASTLY more than the strain a QB does. Take a look at the throwing motions for comparison:
Baseball
Over the top
What is termed 3/4 delivery
What most people don't know about baseball delivery - look at the pronation as the pitch is delivered. That rotation, along with the tremendous exertion used to accelerate the baseball, causes massive force on the ligament
Football
Far less force on the elbow, much less demand on the ligament
Typical "wind up" for a pass. Notice that the elbow is not used nearly as much as a lever.
The difference in delivery is the reason why so few QB's wind up with UCL injuries and Tommy John surgery. That said, pitchers ages 29-35 (Johnny Cueto, John Franco, Tommy John, Jon Lieber, Lance Lynn, Brandon McCarthy, Charlie Morton, Randy Wolf) had the surgery and did pretty well afterwards, despite the significant strain on the reconstructed elbow.
So the point is this. The football delivery has far less elbow strain the the delivery in baseball, and even then, numerous pitchers in their late 20's and into their 30's have had the surgery and returned to throwing a baseball - with its significantly greater force on the elbow ligament - afterwards.
Good points, Steeltime. And Jake Delhomme was 33 years old when he had Tommy John surgery and he came back the following year in 2008 to his best play ever for him (getting the Panthers to a 12-4 record). He stayed in the league another 4 seasons after that I think.
He said that after the surgery his arm felt better than it ever did.
He said that after the surgery his arm felt better than it ever did.
Okay, analysis like that makes me want to punch a kitten. First, the Steelers are not going to draft their "QB of the future" drafting 12 or lower. If they win 7 games or more - very likely if the defense steps up and Fitz makes a difference - then they would be drafting 12 or lower. Look at prior drafts.
What top-tier QB's go 13 or 14? Lets look at the drafts 2010 through 2016 for reference, and QB's drafted after pick 11, shall we?
2010: Tim Tebow and Jimmy Claussen. Oops.
2011: Christian Ponder, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaeperdicksucker. Dalton is okay. I guess the Steelers are fearful of passing on a Dalton-type QB? Yeah, sure.
2012: Brandon Weeden, Brock Osweiler. Goddammit, if the Steelers lose on getting the next Brandon Weeden, I will be PISSED!!
2013: EJ Manuel, Geno Smith. Another stellar group. Wow, losing a Geno Smith. Would make the Marino mistake an afterthought.
2014: Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr. Carr was pick 36, so if the Steelers are as ****** as some suggest, they could make that pick with their 2nd.
2015: Garrett Crayson, Sean Mannion. Uhhhh, sure.
So the Steelers are not passing up a legitimate QB, unless you believe they win 4 games or fewer. Don't believe that.
Second, the guy says the Steelers could have used their 1st round pick to select a guy as good as Fitzpatrick.
Wouldn't that make it a push, at worst?!?
Okay, I get that the Steelers may have lost out on a pick for an elite pass rusher with pick number 14 or whatever. But the comment about losing out on an elite QB or somebody as good as Fitzpatrick is just plain dumb.
Too late. Look at post #339.